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ringmastery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 10:40 AM
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I think the VP is going to be Gephardt or Richardson
Edited on Sat Feb-14-04 10:41 AM by ringmastery
Kerry is going to be thinking strategically about which states the VP helps him in.

He'll get a lot of press picking Richardson. It will energize hispanics in New Mexico, Arizona Nevada and possibly make even Colorado competitive.

Gephardt solidifies labor support in the midwest. He helps in Iowa and Michigan, but the only reason Kerry will pick Gephardt is for Missouri. If he can get Kerry Missouri, only Missouri, Kerry doesn't have to win another red state to win the election. All he has to do is hold the 2000 Gore states. Picking up WV, NH, and possibly Florida, or Arizona would just be icing on the cake.

Edwards is young and telegenic but he won't be able to deliver Kerry any southern states. He couldn't even win North Carolina. Kerry said so himself.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 10:43 AM
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1. I'd Buy Richardon, but you forgot Graham
For a long time I thought either Richardson or Graham made a lot of sense, but I still think the very best second choice would be Clark.
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ringmastery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 10:46 AM
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2. What states does Clark deliver?
Graham is old and boring, sadly. Kerry needs someone more dynamic. Also, I don't think Graham helps that much in Florida. He burned a lot of bridges with republicans who crossed parties in the past to support him with his harsh attacks against Bush in his presidential campaign.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:29 PM
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26. The Carlyle Group selected Evan Bayh...I believe.
Dean '04..
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:34 PM
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29. Many. He is now a national figure. His supporters are legion.
Clark's the guy. I am 100% sure he will be. He will deliver many states beyond Arkansas. Many people love him.
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lucidmadman Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 10:46 AM
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3. I'd go for the Gepster. Richardson....
...maybe not so much. Wasn't there some problem about stolen 'atomic secrets'?
It's gotta be someone who can appeal to middle-aged male swing voters IMO. I'm thinking Max Cleland should be on the 'short list'.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 11:50 AM
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20. Yes there were problems
at the Energy Department and he testified"we were asleep".

I do not know how to say this--Is he well-known and highly re in the Hispanic community ? I had no idea he was Hispanic until someone said so.If he is, then he could probably help with Hispanics. Hispanics are savvy enough to understand if the party is pandering or if the appointment is someone they care about and respect.
I have idea as to the answer here.

My impression from seeing him on TV--Centrist Personified. We Democrats have to cut taxes--have to cut taxes--have to cut taxes.
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LandOLincoln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:12 PM
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22. Yes, he's Hispanic. His mother was from a prominent Mexico City
family and his father an American banker or businessman, IIRC.

And he's very popular here in New Mexico--won the governorship in a landslide against a young, handsome, native New Mexican Repub named John Sanchez.

He's been good for the state so far, and we ain't letting him go, nor does he want to go. Says it's the best job he's ever had, and he's promised to finish out his four years. He has two years to go.

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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:24 PM
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25. Yes but...
think about the achievements for your fine state that he could possibly accomplish as the VP. I love your state btw, I was there in November. I've traveled around quite a bit and I have to say the people of NM are the nicest people I have ever met. It's a very spiritual place with a fantastic vibe. I can't wait to come back and visit, I'll probably be there again this June.
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LandOLincoln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 05:03 PM
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30. Best come earlier--April or May--or later
if you can. October/November are fantastic months here, but the spring days are often windy and dusty, and June marks the beginning of the summer heat, which can be fierce. But of course you're welcome whenever you come. :toast:
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lucidmadman Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:24 PM
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24. I've heard he's a great negotiator and diplomat...
...able to deal from a position of strength without alienating people. Maybe more of a State Dept. kinda guy than a VP.
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LandOLincoln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 05:07 PM
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32. Exactly. He can take over the SecState position from Clark
when Wes wins the presidency in 2012 (or 2008 if Kerry decides he's had enough).
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Granite Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 10:47 AM
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4. I've been hearing Mark Warner
of Virginia. But I think Bill Richardson would be a good VP as well for all of the reasons you suggest. I'm not sure about Gep - I respect him, but he is old-guard - we need to move the Party forward. Edwards would make a great AG!

For all the anti-Kerry Dems, imagine 4 more years of a lame duck John Ashcroft. </shudder>
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 10:55 AM
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10. Warner makes the most sense.
Richardson will NOT be VP, for the same reason Hillary won't be--- they have both said repeatedly and in unrquivocal English that even a 'slow' 3rd-grader could understand that they want to finish their terms in office. I take both at their word.
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LandOLincoln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 11:38 AM
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19. Yes, indeedy, and he said it again on Hardball the other night.
Of course a smirking Matthews clearly didn't believe him.

But I'll tell you something: if he so much as makes a move in that direction, I'll join the thousands of other New Mexicans who will surround the Governor's Mansion in protest--and to make sure he doesn't go anywhere. :bounce:
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 06:39 PM
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35. I would protest Richardson leaving...but not because I love him.
He is good for New Mexico so far, after the total disaster of 8 years of a libertarian.

But nationally, he is rabid for free trade like NAFTA. And I don't forgive him for firing Wen Ho Lee, when he knew he was INNOCENT, and subjecting him to months in prison in leg irons, and seldom able to see his family.Don't think the Democratic Party wants to go down this picking on someone because of his race/ethnicity.Think Richardson wants to wait until Domenici retires/dies and become Senator, as a stepping stone to higher office. Maybe by then, enough people will have forgotten his past.
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King of New Orleans Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 05:43 PM
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34. Put me down as leaning to Warner too.
Warner has made a genuine effort to spur investment in rural and small town Virginia, and while his efforts haven't be totally successful (hard to create many jobs when the overall economy is losing them) his efforts have been viewed as sincere and have strengthened people's view of the state government as a potentially positive force.

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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 10:50 AM
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5. Place your bets!
Gephardt:
http://us.newsfutures.com/market/market.html?symbol=GEPVPYES
Richardson:
http://us.newsfutures.com/market/market.html?symbol=GBRVPYES

Although I thought I read on DU somewhere (not that that's an indicator of absolute truth, LOL) that Richardson was committed to staying in office as governor. Can anyone confirm?
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ringmastery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 10:53 AM
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8. It looks like Richardson is at least thinknig about it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/14/politics/campaign/14VEEP.html?hp

Bill Richardson of New Mexico has already begun asking people if he should accept it, suggesting he thinks it could be his.
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LandOLincoln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:04 PM
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21. Snarky article, at least vis-a-vis Clark and Richardson.
Edited on Sat Feb-14-04 12:17 PM by LandOLincoln
In fact Clark (and Richardson on Hardball, by calling for the party to rally around Kerry) both moved to squelch the Sludge piece before it went anywhere, Clark most especially since Sludge had included Clark in his attempted hit.

In fact, I'm thinking it may have been a set up--Clark & Kerry set Rove/Drudge up--very neatly too--and those fools fell for it hook line & sinker. (And just look at the success of the Clark/Moore/Kerry "strategery" re the AWOL story.)

Buy stock in Depends, folks--Karl's gonna be buying a lot of 'em.




Edited to take out the bounce. It was early & I needed something to wake me up, but now it's just annoying the hell outta me.
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:30 PM
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27. Yep...
I agree with you that it is a real possibility. I hope so because it would be a brilliant move.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 10:56 AM
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12. Yes, he has said so unequivocally.
I've heard the words from his own mouth. So has Hillary.
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ludwigb Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 10:51 AM
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6. Anybody have any video of Richardson?
So I can see him in action? I've never actually seen the guy on camera.

I think Gephardt and Edwards would be good choices as well. However, I'm not sure regional identification is quite as important as ethnic identification. If Richardson can turn out Hispanics and help carve out a place for them at the party table, that would be an enormous service to the future of the Dem party. However, this is easier said than done--in Texas we thought the Sanchez/Kirk campaign would make for a massive minority turnout and we ended up getting soundly beaten. Let's hope this Richardson guy is as good as you'll say.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 10:53 AM
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7. gephardt would help in missouri, & afterwards as a vp who knows congress
gephardt would help with unions, working class and elderly, but the best is that he would deliver missouri, and as you state, that is the only additional state kerry would need to win the presidency.

gephardt's ties with "old labor" with strong activist bases(heavy industries like steel, auto, and coal mining) found predominantly in the midwest tier, west virgina and pennsylvania would also solidify these areas as labor would be very active in support of a kerry/gephardt ticket.

more importantly, gephardt brings to the table a quarter century of experience with congress and for a democratic president to sucessfully impliment his policy initiatives, he must get them thru congress. there, gephardt would be very useful to a democratic adminstration, and more useful than any other potential vp candidate mentioned.
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 10:54 AM
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9. I wonder
about the idea that a primary is indicative of which states a candidate can carry in a GE. It seems to me that primary voters are hardcore supporters (and in this case desperate to find the electable alternative to Bush). Whereas the GE will be about attracting moderates, independents,etc.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 10:55 AM
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11. If you love the DLC you'll love Richardson
Richardson is the DLC personified. If you like that sorta thing, you'll be thrilled. If you don't prepare to have your nose rubbed in centrism.

Gephardt would be a good candidate in terms of balancing positions. My only concern would be that he's kinda tired.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:32 PM
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28. It'll be a fight between the DLC & The Carlyle Group to select this spot.
...with, of course, Rove as the puppeteer!!! Jim Baker will have to be consulted by his good friend John Kerry, also.

Dean '04...
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 10:58 AM
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13. With God as my witness
There's no way I'd vote for a ticket that includes the author of the IWR.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:20 PM
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23. You and millions of other Progressives n/t
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mgc1961 Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 11:11 AM
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14. It better not be Gephardt.
If he's the VP candidate with Kerry I will surely vote third party.
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 11:16 AM
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15. I believe MO will go to Kerry in the GE without Geppy being the VP
I don't think Geppy's going to get that slot. Richardson looks good to me I also think Clark or Edwards would be a good choice.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 11:33 AM
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16. No Gepharpt

Not for me. Pleeeeeeeeese no Geppie.
I was bored to tears with him during the debates.
Anyboody but Geppie........please!
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 11:38 AM
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18. He won't get it....
Geppy's actually a personable man, definitely better interacting with people than giving speeches to them.
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texasmom Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 11:36 AM
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17. Not Gephardt
I think the vp will be chosen to pull in the swing voters. Labor will be with the Dems anyway.

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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 05:09 PM
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33. It's gotta be someone who will help Dems in the South
We've got several Senate seats up for grabs. Clark or Edwards would be the best move....and I personally like Clark.
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 06:46 PM
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36. I agree. Wes, Edwards, or even Max or Graham.
:kick:
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