DK sellin' out to Texas GOP Agenda on NAFTA?

[corporatewhore]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=110576#110577
Check it out the Repugs in my very own state call for a withdrawl of NAFTA and GATT LEFT or Right it Dont matter nobody likes their job going away to india.IMHO Free trade is THE ISSUE it encompasses everything evil from out sourcing to the rape of land to SLAVERY torampant privatisation of public services to anti union to rampant corporatism
and gosh darn it free trade as increased the Trade Deficit damn this ois the one issue we could have conservatives and heck even greens too flocking to our guy if he had some guts and said NO FREETRADE!

[TennesseeWalker]

1. How will we have the New World Order without Free Trade?

And gee whiz, what do you want the poor Corporate Execs to do? Pay fair wages? Protect the environment? Treat people right?

You must be an extremist, young man. AND, I might add, a Conspiracy Theorist.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

13. dont forget: "from another planet"

[plurality]

2. shhh, you're not supposed to make sense about Kucinich

It doesn't matter if his platform really can appeal to both sides of the spectrum. You're supposed to go along with the mantra that he's an 'ultra-leftist'. Otherwise we might actually change the status quo, and no self respecting rich person with a guilt complex would like that.

[Monte Carlo]

3. The planet's population is only going to become more connected over time.

Not less. For better or for worse, this is how it's going to be. The question is how we meet the opportunity.

NAFTA, the WTO, the GATT, they can all be reformed. It will take time, but I can safely guess that it'll take less time than to start from scratch. There is nothing wrong with free international trade and a one-economy Earth. The problem is that they allow predatory business and raw deals. A bill of rights.

[Mairead]

4. How many times must it be repeated? They CAN'T be reformed

There is no provision for reform. There a provision for get-out, but not for reform.

[no name no slogan]

5. They've had TEN YEARS to reform NAFTA

...and it hasn't been reformed to help out workers YET. However, it has been "reformed" to make it easier for multinationals to enslave the rest of the planet. NAFTA was created by the corporations FOR the corporations-- there's no way that such a flawed agreement could be "reformed" to be people- and worker-friendly.

Nobody is saying that ALL international trade is bad-- even Dennis Kucinich. What he (and those who support him) is saying is that any international trade agreements should be based on fair trade, workers' rights, and human rights-- NOT on what's best for big corporations.

If you're truly looking for an isolationist position on international trade, you'd probably have to chase down Pat Buchannan.

[plurality]

8. come on, you're breaking the rules!

Logic and truth ARE NOT ALLOWED when discussing Dennis Kucinich! Didn't you get the memo? You're only allowed to express easily refuted talking points and mischaracterizations. Get with the program already!

[Taeger]

18. Even Pat Buchanan

Even Pat Buchanan has something up on ANY Democrat who continues to back WTO and NAFTA!!!!

Any right or liberty will mean SHIT if we unemployment is 20% and we have to stand in bread lines to get food.

[anti-NAFTA]

25. I'm curious. Why do you support Clark?

He is the exact same as Clinton on NAFTA and WTO.

[rucky]

7. The whole system is entrenched

the people in power will not give up anything they already have in place. give me one good reason why they would.

[idlisambar]

14. The purpose of these institutions...

... is to smooth the way for multinationals, ensuring that pesky local governments don't make it too difficult for them to conduct business. These institutions are instruments of corporate power and neoliberal economic policies, pure and simple, that's it.

What kind of reforms would you suggest? You would have to completely change the fundamental nature of these institutions.

[Taeger]

15. No, they can't

The shareholders are COMPLETELY unwilling to change the terms of the agreement. They only way to REFORM GATT, NAFTA etc.. is to WITHDRAW from GATT, WTO, NAFTA, etc...

Until we do that, they won't take our position seriously.

And no, the planet DOES NOT have to become more connected over time. We DON'T have to trade with China. We didn't have to trade with the Soviets, why China??????

It's only the "new" Democrats and "new" Republicans who like this shit. The "paleo" Democrats AND Republicans need to rise up and put a whoop ass on this shit.

The fact of the matter is that I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE for helping India, China, Mexico or whoever. I WOULD like to try. And I'd do that with a FOREIGN MINIMUM WAGE!!!! FOREIGN STANDARDS FOR WORKER PROTECTIONS AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.

How would we accomplish this ... WE DON'T TRADE WITH THEM IF THEY DON'T AGREE!!!!! That's right, all those Mexican oligarchs would be deprived of hard American currency if they treat their people like shit!!!!!!

In this way we can TRULY raise standards in foreign countries by holding their execs hostage.

Finally, the IMF is PURE EVIL!!!! They impose nasty programs that deprive people of their rights in foreign countries. They GIVE AWAY foreign utilities to ass-hole government whores like Bechtel and FURTHER IMPOVERISH them!!!!

Down with all these fucking organizations conceived and executed by corporate elites!!!!!

[RedDawnRising]

6. Why do you say "DK selling out" ?

The GOP are stealing his ideas to cover their asses.

[idlisambar]

11. It's a joke

DK and the Texas Republicans probably arrived at this conclusion independently. ;)

[RedDawnRising]

12. Whew !

I was worried !

[Taeger]

17. No

The Texas Republican platform of 2002 is VERY clear on issues of NAFTA and free trade.

http://www.txdemocrats.org/gopplatform2002.htm

This is PROBABLY why Democrats are getting the SHIT kicked out of them in Texas.

I have no idea whether they actually BELIEVE what they are saying. I just know that they have the BALLS to say it!!!!!

This SHOULD be a bi-partisan issue. But Bush really can't embrace it because thats where he gets his $200 million dollar war chest from. He's a traitor, pure and simple. And so is EVERY fucking Democrat who is pimping WTO, GATT, NAFTA and any other organization that trumps National and State sovereignty with the SECRET adjudication of non-elected officials.

[corporatewhore]

23. it is to illustrate his electability

[dpbrown]

9. DK has always used the "Texas Republican plank on NAFTA" in speeches

I think it's a sign of his attraction on both sides of the divide. Republicans don't want their jobs going overseas, meanwhile Republicans tell their constituents it's the fault of the "blacks" or the "Hispanics" or the "welfare queens" that are competing with them for work.

Lying SOBs, all of them.

I'm glad Dennis is cutting through the crapola on NAFTA.

Fear Ends
Hope Begins
Kucinich 2004

Dan Brown
Saint Paul, Minnesota

[Tinoire]

10. What? A candidate making sense about this issue?! In the Dem Party?

So that jobs can stay in America and AMERICANS can feed their families?

You mean not everyone has sold their soul to corporations?

You mean there's a candidate out there that people, to include Republicans and swing voters might vote for based on an ISSUE?

Heresy.

Off with your head CorporateWhore! We prefer to listen to panderers who talk about 'tweaking' something they damn well know can not be tweaked.

[corporatewhore]

21. but but it CAN be tweaked ;)

;)

[revcarol]

16. And we DON"T want those votes of Greens who care about the environment

of the whole earth! (Remember MTBE and NAFTA)


And we don't want those votes of LABOR who see their fellow workers being ground into the dirt!!

Commie pinko traitor you, for even SUGGESTING it!!

[corporatewhore]

19. The Texas GOP must be a pinko commie org

[eridani]

20. This is why Kucinich can win

Keep hitting on it, and lots of otherwise conservative people will vote for him. They won't get excited about a business as usual Dem.

[Kanary]

24. What you're saying, eridani, is so obvious

That I can't for the life of me figure out where the gap is in the thinking process here.

It hurts my brain.

Thanks for continuuing to say it.

"THey won't get excited about a business as usual Dem." There it is right there.

Nutshell.

Kanary

[corporatewhore]

22. kick!!!

[anti-NAFTA]

This is why I don't understand the media-driven hype about Kerry

The man does not STAND for anything. His platform is so vague and wishy-washy. He is riding the "outsourcing" card and refuses to take responsibility for his vote for NAFTA. He says he wasn't aware of the damage it would cause.

Can we trust a man who was "misled" on NAFTA? Can we trust a man who was "misled" by George W. Bush on IWR? Is this really presidential material? Or are is the media picking our winner?

These our questions we, as Democrats, must ask ourselves.

[anti-NAFTA]

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