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DjTj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 05:51 PM
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The best candidate for the future...
I'm tired of talking about electability and November 2004. I want to talk about the future. I have been wondering if I will ever see an America that isn't sharpy divided by political party...

I voted in my first election in 2000, and I have come of age in what seems to be one of the most sharply divided political climates in recent American history.

Older DU'ers may be able to offer some perspective and maybe this climate can be traced back to Nixon, but it seems like a series of events in Monica Lewinsky, the Florida recount, and the Iraq War have created a sharp divide between Republicans and Democrats based not on issues like abortion, affirmative action, or gay marriage, but on what seem to be personal issues about individual candidates.

Democrats *hate* Republican candidates, and Republicans *hate* Democratic candidates.

Bush was elected by riding a strong anti-Clinton sentiment, and this time around, the Democrats will stake this election on a strong anti-Bush sentiment. I don't feel like Clinton came into office that way; people didn't *hate* Bush I.

When Bush II came into office, there were immediately half of Americans who were against him. I feel this is coming in 2005 as well, whether Bush wins or loses.

The only candidate that I can see changing this is John Edwards. The people voting for Edwards in the primaries are not the ones angry at Bush or desperate to get Bush out of office, they are people whom believe in a message and a vision for the future. He has shown an uncanny ability to reach out to centrist voters and disaffected working families that aren't married to political parties.

I believe an Edwards Presidency will be one where a majority of Americans in the political center would feel satisified, as they were in the first 4 years under Clinton.

I believe that kind of feeling is the key to promoting a progressive agenda. Clinton's 8 years of prosperity brought us tremendous progress on environmental issues and a complete overhaul of the tax code from the Reagan days. The table was set for more progressive policies, but Monica hijacked the last years of the Clinton Presidency. The climate was ripe for a more progressive candidate in Al Gore, and without Monica we would have been able to take a more substantial step to the left in the same way Reagan/Bush I were able to take the country to the right.

John Edwards has a very progressive platform on taxes and like Howard Dean, I believe he could do a lot to restore peoples' faith in the government by aggressively attacking the lobbyists and insiders that run Washington. Like Wesley Clark, people see in John Edwards a man of integrity from a family they can relate to, and he will be a President the people will trust.

There are other candidates that stand in greater opposition to Bush and who provide more progressive platforms, but when I picture them in the White House in 2005, I also picture an energized right that will still be angry when 2008 rolls around. With Edwards, I see someone that can bring the country together, someone that sees these two Americas and can help us build one America.

I believe that's what we need in the coming years. We don't need anger, we don't need a revolution, and we don't need all our progressive policies to be implemented. I want this country to come together. I don't want to live in an America divided by fear and anger that is leading a world divided by fear and anger. I have a long life ahead of me and I am patient. I just want to take a step forward where I can see the next step and the step after that.

I want to live in John Edwards' America.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 06:00 PM
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1. Edwards is by far the best role-model for the working class and
working class kids, of the remaining candidates. It's just not sane to me to chose another eastern establishment bostin brahmin instead of Edwards(or Clark, sigh)
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cheezus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 06:40 PM
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5. Ahem. Dennis Kucinich?
Edwards is good, but doesn't compare. Why so quick to dismiss Dennis while at the same time complaining about JRE being dismissed by many
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DjTj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 08:21 PM
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6. Unfortunately...
...be it because of a lack of money, aesthetic qualities, or simple geography, Kucinich hasn't connected with working class voter to the same degree as Edwards.

Also, I do not see a Kucinich administration working well with moderate Republicans; his progressive policies would ignite strong opposition from conservatives.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 08:51 PM
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11. America isn't ready for Dennis.
He's a great guy, but it's not his time yet. Edwards, if elected, and bring together the party.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:36 AM
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16. so you say...
but how do we know if America doesn't get to even hear about him?

I think they are more ready than you think.

Peace
DR
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 07:49 AM
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19. Actually,
he already works well with republicans. They respect him. I wish I can find that piece with his republican colleagues talking about him...maybe another Kucitizen can dig it up.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 09:11 PM
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12. A twice devorced fringe candidate is uncomparable to Edwards?
Kucinich is a career politician who hangs out with Mysticists and UFO theorists. Not exactly the American dream
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 07:59 AM
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20. Dennis Kucinich
is the closest thing to an American Dream candidate America has.

If divorce takes a politician out of the running, you can remove most republicans. If adultery is just as unacceptable as divorce, remove a bunch more on both sides of the fence.

If actually working for people, and opposing the corporate power structure and corruption in our system, and working to change from within the party, makes him "fringe," we need a lot more "fringe" americans.

If modeling a world view inclusive of all generates hysterical reaction from the small-minded or bigoted, so be it. Bullying, boasting, bigotry, etc. are all a part of the American psyche. Which part of America we choose to focus on, to nurture, and to grow is a conscious choice.

Dennis Kucinich is the closest thing to an American Dream candidate America has. Americans who have met him, gotten to know him, paid attention to him, realize this.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 08:42 PM
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9. Its been a long time since we had an
Eastern Establishment Prez. And JFK wasn't so bad, right. What brings people together is leadership, and knowing how to listen to people with different views, and hammer out solutions. I think the jury is out on both Kerry and Edwards on those counts. We will just have to see.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 06:00 PM
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2. The RW has long contended that Whitewater
Edited on Fri Feb-13-04 06:02 PM by Gman
and Clinton's impeachment were payback for Nixon's overthrow. They set the tone for politics for the next, going on, 10 years when they went after Clinton with Whitewater and the impeachment. We failed to at least meet or exceed them with the same or fiercer ferociousness than they showed in going after Clinton.

So you can trace the present climate back to Nixon's overthrow and to long lingering supppresed hatred of Democrats because of it.
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DjTj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 06:10 PM
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3. Are we stuck in this climate?
It feels like the Democrats have found their teeth again with AWOL, Halliburton, and hopefully the WMD investigation.

The battle over judicial nominees over the past two years has been totally ridiculous.

...are we just buying more payback? Is there any way to get out of this downward spiral?
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TennesseeWalker Donating Member (925 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 06:39 PM
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4. I agree with you regarding Edwards.
I had read about the "Two Americas" before I heard him give his speech. However, I was unprepared for his "believabilty". I really think he believes what he's saying. I don't get that from Kerry, and I think that's what people like in Dean and Kucinich.

Edwards is pretty much the total package. He may be able to heal the country down to about the bottom 20 percent of the right wing. Now, if we can only get him in the White House...

If Kerry doesn't implode, I hope he picks Edwards for VP. I heard Republicans around here (TN) refer to him as the next Kennedy.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 08:38 PM
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8. Payback for Nixon???? The Bush family probably took Nixon down to get
the Bush family in there.

Clinton was punished for being a charsimatic Democrat who wanted to shift a little too much wealth (for the tastes of the corporatocracy) down to people who work for a living.

It had nothing to do with Nixon.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 08:36 PM
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7. The corporatocracy is going to HATE Edwards, but the people will interpret
this as madness. He's too likeable.

It's going to wreak havoc with the fascist project.

He's the perfect candidate to pry their hands from off the throats of working Americans.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 08:48 PM
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10. No they won't
Because he agrees with them on policy issues. It is his rhetoric only that is southern-fried Kucinich.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 09:29 PM
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13. Name one thing they agree on.
Do you know that he doesn't return the calls of the NC bank lobbyists. That's the biggest business in NC after monopolist pig farming (which he also doesn't like).

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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 11:08 PM
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14. The H-1b visa program
which makes for a lot of unemployed American programmers, for one thing. The Patriot Act and the Iraq war, for a couple of others. Incremental approach to health care which still leaves a hell of a lot of people out, for another.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:28 AM
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15. Big business didn't like the fact that Blair was going in with Bush, so
I'm not sure how happy they were about a few votes from Dem Sens on IWR.

I presume big bus would have been happier if they voted against it because that would have really helped the Bush reelection effort.

Care to share your theory about H1-Bs and PA?
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 02:23 AM
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17. Sorry-Edwards voted for the Patriot Act
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Alinsky Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 04:57 AM
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18. Dennis Kucinich
Without doubt Dennis Kucinich will be the greatest president in 2004 in the future. Mr. Dennis Kucinich was one of the first to not support the vote to go to war. Kerry was a principle planner of the war theory in the past and will be a prime planner for wars in the future.

In our modern age there is no such thing as a just war. All wars are illegal, and unjust because the technology is to out of control that is now used for modern wars. That technology is psychological(The CIA creating Bin Ladens thus blowbacks), the other parts of the technology Nuclear (hell in Pakistan the A Bomb was sold on the OPEN MARKET and sold to the highest bidder North Korea and others) and then Chemical and biological.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 08:03 AM
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21. You want to live in
Dennis Kucinich's America.

You just described it. You just described Dennis: his life, his platform, his campaign, and the path he is walking. Except he'll do it with progressive policies.

I want this country to come together. I don't want to live in an America divided by fear and anger that is leading a world divided by fear and anger. I have a long life ahead of me and I am patient. I just want to take a step forward where I can see the next step and the step after that.


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onebigbadwulf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 08:06 AM
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22. Kuchinich , Dean, Edwards- in that order
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