concepts carved out at the Nuremberg Trials regarding degrees of guilt

[madison]

I just finished reading a book on the Nuremberg Trials ... over the years, I have read many

And I will tell you that even after the catastrophe that was World War II, and with rage still filling the hearts and minds of most among the victors, the Nuremberg judges were able to DIFFERENTIATE between those who were the most guilty and those who were less guilty.

The most guilty were hanged.

The somewhat less guilty were given prison sentences.

And, at the very first trial of the worst and most important top Nazis, three were acquitted.

Acquitted, not because they were not bad people or hadn't committed terrible crimes, but because there are DEGREES of criminality and evil

Yet, on the Internet bulletin boards, time after time, I read posts by people who seemingly, cannot tell the difference between the ones in this country who are really guilty and the ones who are trapped by the system and the rules -- and who would he hunted down and destroyed by the media whores if they "popped their heads above the foxholes"

Starting right after the vote to fund the Iraq war, on which some Democratic senators voted "nay," the Republicans came out blazing ... firing with both barrels ... and some Democrats, to their shame, piled on, too. In other words, for SOME Democrats, the Democratic candidates are as bad as Bush and, so, these Democrats are willing to destroy our own candidates and make it possible for Republicans to retain control of the White House, in 2008, and maybe regain control of Congress

I think SOME Democrats just like to complain, and that they do not understand the concepts carved out at the Nuremberg Trials regarding degrees of guilt.

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Verdicts at the first of the Nuremberg Trials:
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Hermann Goering -- death by hanging (but committed suicide in his cell)
Artur Seyss-Inquart -- death by hanging
Ernst Kaltenbrunner -- death by hanging
Alfred Rosenberg -- death by hanging
Wilhelm Keitel -- death by hanging
Fritz Sauckel death by hanging
Joachim von Ribbentrop -- death by hanging
Hans Frank -- death by hanging
Wilhelm Frick -- death by hanging
Julius Streicher -- death by hanging
Alfred Jodl -- death by hanging
Martin Bormann -- sentenced (in absentia) to death by hanging
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Rudolf Hess -- life imprisonment
Walter Funk -- life imprisonment
Erich Raeder -- life imprisonment
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Baldur von Schirach -- 20 years imprisonment
Albert Speer -- 20 years imprisonment
Constantin von Neurath -- 15 years imprisonment
Karl Doenitz -- 10 years imprisonment
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Franz von Papen -- acquitted
Hjalmar Schacht -- acquitted
Hans Fritzsche -- acquitted

http://wwwpbsorg/wgbh/amex/nuremberg/peopleevents/p_judgeshtml

http://tinyurlcom/2mjmyx

[Jim__]

1. "...trapped by the system and the rules ..."

How was anyone trapped by the system and the rules? If you mean they were trapped by the fear of the consequences of telling the truth, which is implied by you statement: ...and who would he hunted down and destroyed by the media whores if they "popped their heads above the foxholes", then, I cannot think of a much more despicable reason for voting for war.

I will vote for the Democratic nominee in 2008, almost regardless of who it is because I consider the Democratic alternative far superior to the republican alternative. One thing that might prevent me from voting for the Democratioc nominee would be if they came out and said they knew voting for the IWR was wrong, but they did it to save their political career. Reportedly, 650,000 Iraqis have died due to this invasion. I'm not sure I could vote for anyone who decided that his/her political career was worth more than 650,000 lives.

I've always thought that the reason we don't hang people like that is that forcing them to live with themselves is the greater punishment.

[pearl]

2. I'm on the same page

These bastards who call them selves republicans,
The media who call themselves journalists.
There is definitely degrees. The dems, fresh off the disgusting battlefield of impeachment,
and many other incredible battles, they were exhausted when W TOOK office.

"Pray for the dead and fight like hell for the living" Mother Jones

[madison]

3. When I wrote "trapped by the system and rules," I was ...

When I wrote "trapped by the system and rules," I was referring to the fact that it takes a two-thirds majority to override a presidential veto. In the senate, that would be 67 votes, and, so, would require 18 Republicans to vote with the Democrats. That was never going to happen. (It is also against senate rules to just keep submitting the same legislation over and over again once a bill is defeated.)

But, with the aid of the media whores, the Democrats who voted to "deny funds for the troops" would be -- and have been -- accused of hating the troops or of not supporting the troops, and that accusation would be used to defeat them at the polls.

You can scoff, but one cannot be a legislator if one cannot get elected. It is all well and good to sit on the sidelines advocating for an end to our involvement in Iraq, but it is another thing to garner the votes to require an end.

Certainly the Nuremberg Trail judges did not agree with you that a life sentence is worse than a death sentence. They hanged the worst Nazi criminals and gave life sentences to the somewhat less evil ones.

[Jim__]

4. And there is no point to being elected if all you want to do is hold onto your job. - n/t