Will Dem Political operatives use Obama & Clinton's vote AGAINST Minimum wages if required?

[FrenchieCat]

It is my understanding that "technically", all who voted "NAY" on Yesterday's War Funding Bill also voted "NAY" on an increase on Federal Minimum wages. If this is so, will other Democratic candidates and their operatives bring that point up out of context.....by excluding when that vote was made (with OBama and Clinton's NAY vote on funding the War without Timelines when convenient? Cause if so, these operatives should be prepared for a piece of my mind!

What do you think? Will this unfortunate quandry be used against them?

[Igel]

1. There's a bit of cynicism that you've overlooked, however.

"Of course I opposed funding *'s war. But, you see, you underestimate how devoted I and my fellow 'yes' voters are to progressive causes, how wily and brilliant we are, and how slow and lethargic * is. By putting the minimum wage increase in a bill * believes he must sign, we've outfoxed him ... sneaky, unhanded politics in the service of the greater good, obviously earning me your vote. My 'yes' vote wasn't a vote for war at all, it was obviously and undeniably a vote to help the poor and oppressed across America, you see."

[Forkboy]

2. It will be used against them,but I look at it this way...

Kennedy has been a staunch advocate of increasing the minimum wage for years and years (it's already at $7.15 here in Mass), so if he still managed to vote NAY on the increase it tells me it wasn't worth the trade off,and I feel it was the right vote by him,and Hillary and Obama.

I don't think they lead in any way on the issue,but they still voted NAY,and that's good in my eyes,whatever the reasons.

[karynnj]

10. There also was no real trade off

Kennedy knew the bill would pass. the "No" from him and the other Democrats was largely a protest vote.

[bunkerbuster1]

3. Picked the first one

because I so love the loaded Q&As.

[FrenchieCat]

8. Kewl!

:thumbsup:

[William769]

4. Other won't matter.

[Adelante]

5. You bet your ass nt

[Cameron27]

6. Some political operatives are

going to be searching for anything to use against Obama and Clinton since no one can hang their hat on being the *anti-war* candidate now.

I have no doubt they'll try to use this vote against them.

[rinsd]

7. Already seen on DU

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3279795&mesg_id=3283502

[Cameron27]

9. Holy shit, you're right!

[rinsd]

11. Unfortunately

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3281693

[FrenchieCat]

12. Now see.......that's some twisted shit.......

a set up, and nothing more.

Of course they get dogged no matter what.

How pissy!

[Forkboy]

13. And the argument doesn't hold up anyways.

Like I just pointed out in the thread rinsd posted,Kennedy voted No too,and he's been working on the minimum wage thing forever.It's been a major issue for him (thankfully...here in Mass it's already where they want the national average to be,$7.15,and has been for years).If he was able to vote against it then I strongly suspect he felt that it wasn't worth the trade off,and with his knowledge on this issue I easily trust his judgment.

So to complain that because Hillary or Obama or whoever voted No is some kind of proof that they are a corporatist just doesn't hold water to me.They may well be,but not over this vote.I'm glad they voted how they did.

And I won't even go into the whole "Hillary is following Obama/Obama is following Hillary" nonsense. :)

[rufus dog]

14. not any one hoping to win

The question is will Dems use it against them. NOT A CHANCE IN HELL, Most Dems understand nuances when explained to them, will not argue in black and white. A dem who tries this tactic will be committing political suicide and labeled as an opportunist. If the question was .. would a Rep use it, the vote changes.

[JI7]

15. some idiot Nader type funded by the Right Wing will do it

most of these don't know or care about how congress works either. like that one example the poster didn't know they were on the same bill.

people will agendas will use it no matter what. but it's at a point where you can't reason with them anymore as they don't care what you say. they just want attention and the Republicans to win.

most Dems are smart enough to see through it. i can see Lieberman using it against them but that may actually help them .