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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-25-07 01:10 AM Original message |
Poll question: Would you support the implementation of a legal mechanism whereby... |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-25-07 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
1. Kick for a larger sample |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-25-07 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
2. The proposal is too vague. |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-25-07 10:03 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Do you think our current system passes for... |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-25-07 10:27 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. I'm not American. |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-25-07 10:59 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Apologies for just assuming you're a U.S. citizen... |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-25-07 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
6. Kick for a larger sample |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-26-07 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
7. Kick for a larger sample |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-26-07 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
8. No, Sir, Most Definitely Not |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-26-07 07:51 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. "...No such right exists, unless it were to be seized by arms" |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-26-07 10:29 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Walk It Back a Few Years, Sir |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-26-07 11:05 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. You seem to equate the notion of direct citizen control over... |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-26-07 11:21 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Switzerland Is A Very Small And Fairly Homogenous Place, Sir |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-26-07 11:28 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. "People are the problem" -- this doesn't sound like... |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-26-07 11:47 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Conviction, Sir |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 12:35 AM Response to Reply #19 |
27. Who's claiming that there wouldn't be... |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 01:03 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Think Of the Advertising Campaigns, Sir |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 01:18 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Your argument is rooted in elitism and is ... |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 01:25 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. My Argument, Sir |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 01:37 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. I call it elitism because that's what it is... |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 01:44 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. And The Idea Plebescite Would Over-Throw That, Sir |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 01:48 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Switzerland made it work. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 02:01 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. So Did Athens And Hamburg, Sir |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 02:16 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. We have no track record with national referendum... |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 02:19 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Good Luck With That, Sir |
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CitizenLeft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #37 |
124. you, Sir... |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 08:54 AM Response to Reply #31 |
44. You say "elitism" as if it's an unredeemably bad thing |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:22 AM Response to Reply #44 |
48. So because you rely on a qualified plumber... |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:26 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. right - they're not qualified |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:33 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. I know it's anecdotal |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Do you think Switzerland's system of government... |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. I don't propose we "fix" it.... |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 02:10 PM Response to Reply #56 |
67. So Corporatocracy is a myth? |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. oh fer fuck's sake |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 02:36 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. Thanks for your contribution. |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 02:14 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Yeah, right! That's what she said |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. Don't you understand? |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 03:37 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. Forgive me, please. Ahhh, nevermind |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 03:15 PM Response to Reply #56 |
77. Problem is that it has never served "us", it has always served the |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. I've considered alternatives. I support some of them |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. Deleted message |
Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. Elitism: 1. practice of or belief in rule by an elite. |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. I believe in a form of #1 |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 04:26 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. This is the antithesis of the concept of America in that it is diametrically opposed |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 04:30 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Not at all |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 04:43 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. There is nothing meritorious about our system and you didn't address |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 04:54 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. I dismiss your point |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 02:22 AM Response to Reply #94 |
116. You started by saying that you advocate a system of rule by the elite. |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:43 AM Response to Reply #116 |
121. Then that's where the misunderstanding lies |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #121 |
122. Here's an interesting quote |
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oldhippie (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 08:19 PM Response to Reply #48 |
102. Expressing the desire to have national health care......... |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 09:46 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. No more than I think... |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 09:56 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. If you're truly opposed to monied corporate elites |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 10:09 PM Response to Reply #106 |
109. I like the idea... |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 10:55 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. What I am getting at is |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:11 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. The term I've seen used to describe... |
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oldhippie (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:16 PM Response to Reply #105 |
113. Yes, I am offering this as an argument against national referendum..... |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:57 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. I don't doubt that all the problems/concerns you raise... |
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oldhippie (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:08 AM Response to Reply #114 |
118. OK, I examined the referenced National Initiative site at some length.......... |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:01 AM Response to Reply #118 |
120. As I stated in an another post... |
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oldhippie (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:00 PM Response to Reply #120 |
123. As have I ........ |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-26-07 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
12. Absolutely not.... |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-26-07 11:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. See post #9, and please do feel free to answer some or all... |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-26-07 11:46 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. I'll answer a few... |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 12:10 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. You think our system ... |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 12:14 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. well |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 12:23 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. I think you envision very poor implementation... |
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NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-26-07 11:43 PM Response to Original message |
16. No |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-26-07 11:47 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. I'm not a fan of mob rule either... |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-26-07 11:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Switzerland does |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 12:15 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. No comparison? |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 12:18 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. It's been explained here... |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 12:29 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Simply claiming it's dumb and unworkable... |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 02:23 AM Response to Reply #26 |
38. I, and others |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 02:52 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Good night, MonkeyFunk. |
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MasterDarkNinja (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 01:42 AM Response to Original message |
32. No, doing this would add a bunch of stupid amendments, like no gay marriage or flag burning |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 02:58 AM Response to Reply #32 |
40. I don't believe the fears I'm reading about... |
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oldhippie (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 08:32 PM Response to Reply #40 |
103. Has it ocurred to you ....... |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:33 AM Response to Reply #103 |
115. Yes it has, and I would not reject... |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 06:01 AM Response to Original message |
41. No. Perpetual campaigns and uncertainty |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #41 |
55. We shouldn't try it becasue it might fail? |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 07:59 AM Response to Reply #55 |
117. No, we shouldn't try because it is almost certain to produce worse results |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
42. The contrast between the poll and the responses is interesting. |
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NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 08:51 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. A---freaking---MEN! |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 10:49 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. excellent point |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:32 AM Response to Reply #42 |
50. And how would you account for the |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 12:31 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. That is not logical, captain. |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 02:45 PM Response to Reply #58 |
76. Or possibly, they actually respect the principles of democracy... |
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oldhippie (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 08:35 PM Response to Reply #42 |
104. A very good point...............nt |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
45. Absolutely not, and the very idea is ridiculous |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Your rant seems to suggest that... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
46. A majority of our citizens have all kinds of strange ideas |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 12:01 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. Strange ideas? |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 12:30 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Put to a national vote |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 12:39 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. So you would support direct democracy... |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 12:43 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. No |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 01:51 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. I'm not demanding anything... |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. You've been given plenty |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #53 |
62. Oh well, if you insist I'll give just one example to make my point |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 01:48 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. That's not an answer... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 01:52 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Your question seems kind of absurd to me |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 02:26 PM Response to Reply #65 |
72. Direct democracy (national referendum) does not involve... |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. When monkeys come flying out of a pig's butt |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 02:33 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. And this is consistent with what I'm hearing... |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 03:27 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. Then I'll try to be more clear |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 03:37 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. And do you support our current Corporatocracy? |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Spare me the loaded questions |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Loaded questions? |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 03:59 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Yes, loaded question like "Do you still beat your wife?" |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 04:08 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. I didn't ask you if you still beat your wife... |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 04:21 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. No, I asked it |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 04:40 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. OK, I'll play along... |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 04:57 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. That's not the question I asked |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 05:11 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. I answered your question. You did not answer mine... |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 05:17 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. And there is the presumption |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 05:18 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. I presume it to be true based on your litany of lame posts. |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 09:58 PM Response to Reply #99 |
107. However you justify it |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 10:42 PM Response to Reply #107 |
110. Wow, I think you got me -- OK you win, Matlock, I know when I've been bested. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
61. Those who support majority rule are either in the majority or are delusional in their thinking |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 02:22 PM Response to Reply #61 |
71. You cannot rightly equate mob rule to... |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
97. 23 all in the bottom of the ninth --- looks like this one... |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
100. Absolutely not. California is a disaster. |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 05:56 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Please elaborate on California... |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-27-07 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
108. no and be careful what you wish for |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
119. Allow the scum a direct vote? Hell no. |
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ISUGRADIA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
125. The initative and referendum process has worked so well in California |
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