Obama votes against minimum wage increase!!!!

[CTLawGuy]

To all who are freaking out about Obama considering his vote, a provision to increase the minimum wage is in the capitulation bill.

Should he vote against the bill? Yes. But should he be allowed to consider what else is in the bill and think carefully about what he should do? Yes also, because such a vote would be against an increase in the minimum wage as well.

[LSparkle]

1. Which is going to look worse: voting against the war or against wage increase?

I know how important a long-overdue increase in the minimum wage is, but at this pivotal time I think it's more important for him to go on the record as being AGAINST THIS WAR.

[pnwmom]

9. I think that would depend on whether you are close to minimum wage or not.

[Brundle_Fly]

30. can't bush just add a signing statement and

ignore the min wage increase?

[wakeme2008]

2. That why the House did TWO bills

But the Senate is treating it as ONE.

[panader0]

3. It is ridiculous that the two are in the same bill

These lawmakers seem like children arguing over toys. It is better IMO to vote against the funding even if the wage increase is tied to it. Where is the vote record?

[Bullet1987]

4. What's with the alarming, misleading thread title?

[CTLawGuy]

5. to convey a consideration Obama may be considering in taking

"all this time" to decide how he will vote, which is irritating to so many here.

[pnwmom]

8. Pelosi and Reid probably thought that the only way to overcome a veto

threat on the minimum wage increase was to tie it to a bill Bush wouldn't veto.

Now, if we vote no, Bush and the Republicans can say that they supported a minimum wage increase but the Dems voted against it.

Great.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

6. You know there's going to be some asshole arguing that.

A year from now when most people have forgotten about this there's going to be some troll that heard from a friend that Obama voted against minimum wage and he's going to be telling us all about it.

[CTLawGuy]

10. exactly

so LAY OFF Obama and others taking their time!!!

[Telly Savalas]

29. A year? You're quite the optimist.

I'll give it about 3 weeks.

[pnwmom]

7. It is easy for those unaffected to say the minimum wage increase

isn't important.

[enough already]

12. If it's so damned important....

....why are they attaching it to this piece of shit legislation? It could have easily been part of the first 100 hours.

[noamnety]

21. ding ding ding

Obama can just introduce a bill to increase the minimum wage. Problem solved.

[pnwmom]

24. And Bush would have vetoed it,

and we don't have the votes to override.

[pnwmom]

23. Bush would have vetoed it.

[dflprincess]

13. So now the Armed Forces are dying so the minimum wage can be raised?

Given what the increase in it will be, it really doesn't seem worth it.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

11. This becomes nothing but politcal cover...

for the politically cowardly.

"I wasn't really voting for the funding, I was voting for the increase in the minimum wage! Honest!" :eyes: (How come I am hearing Hillary's voice when I read that line???)

[youngdem]

14. What's more important? A pathetic minimum wage increase or an illegal war killing thousands?

As important as the minimum wage increase is, there is NO comparing it to ending the war.

Plus, the minimum wage increase won't help SHIT. It is less than a $340 MONTHLY GROSS increase in real wages. OOOOOH! That's gonna help! :crazy: That brings a 40 hour worker to an annual gross income of $14,500! Ooooh. Big fucking deal. The minimum wage has been rendered useless by not being adjusted with reality. If you aren't mentally deficient bagging groceries, 16 years old working fast food your first week, you aren't making minimum wage anyway. You are already making closer to $7-10 an hour. All the minimum wage increase will do is bring the floor up below most workers, drive up restaurant and some service prices, and net low income workers less actual spending power since the services they purchase (groceries, gas stations, etc) are serviced by low wage workers that will not be helped by the increase...


OR


We could have an end to this war that is costing us all $275 MILLION A DAY?!?!?!?! $100 Billion a year? And 10 American lives a week??? And a few hundred Iraqis a week?



PLEASE...There is NO comparison.

[AndreaCG]

17. Your screed against the minimum wage increase

Should earn you the name youngrep. Would you still be spouting the same Rep talking points if it wasn't tied to the Iraq bill? I hope not.

[youngdem]

19. A minimum wage increase this small is meaningless

I am not partisan.

I simply identify with Dems 99% of the time because the motives of Dem policies tend to be more humane and more honest.

However, it doesn't mean I have to tow the party line even when I think it is a crock of shit.

I don't tow the line on immigration, on tiny minimum wage increases or on affirmative action. Can I still belong to your club? Pretty please? :eyes:

Does me saying "get us the fuck out of Iraq" over and over again sound Repuke to you?

Resorting to calling people Republican when they don't adhere to your narrow interpretation of what it means to be a Dem is pretty small minded for someone who seems to think they are the standard bearer for the Big Tent Party of inclusion.

I stand by what I said. A tiny minimum wage increase won't do shit. A larger one - say, to $15 per hour - is what I propose. Otherwise, all you do is raise the floor under 99% of people, drive up costs and help almost no one. To help those at the very bottom, I am more in favor of free community college, increased income limit eligibility for food stamps and rental assistance and other measures that we could undertake to help the very poor without driving up prices and driving down spending power.

[pnwmom]

25. It's more than a 43% increase -- not small if you're one of the

the unfortunate workers who make minimum wage or slightly above.

I guess it's easy to sneer at that if you make a lot more.

[youngdem]

26. It's NOT a 43% increase.

$7.25 is a little less than a 29% increase over $5.15, or a little less than 3% a year, or less than real inflation, so they are still worse off than they were ten years ago....and we are gonna call this progress, eh?

Whatever you say.

I still say making $850 a month net is fucking pathetic for the world's richest country. Call me elitist if you want, but I made LESS than the poverty level several years of the past ten (while starting new businesses). So, insult me all you want for not munching down on the cake crumbs the Bourgeoisie tossed you, but I am gonna aim a little higher than pathetic.

[pnwmom]

28. It's just under a 41% increase. I don't know how you're

coming up with 29%, but think about it. Ten percent of 5.15 is 51.5 cents. So 40 % is four times that amount, or $2.06 -- which is a little less than the $2.10 actual wage increase.

So the increase is between 40 and 41 percent.

Of course anyone would rather make more than the minimum wage, but when you make minimum -- or close to it -- a 40% increase is significant.

[unkachuck]

31. that's right....

....we all should be very proud that our leaders can see through this commonist, anti-American, minimum-wage boondoggle....if it's so meaningless, why is increasing the minimum-wage so strongly resisted?

[Odin2005]

32. As a person making minimum wage that post is downright insulting.

:grr:

[MasonJar]

15. The House is (or has) voting on them separately and then is putting them

together to send to the Senate, so if the war spending passes at least the minimum wage goes up. Also House members opposed to the funding bill do NOT have to vote against the minimum wage increase.

[ShortnFiery]

16. Our Congressional Representatives work for Lockheed Martin, et. al.

I'm so disgusted with these cowardly a**holes! :grr:

We have reached FULL Fascism in the USA = The Military Industrial Complex OWNS the politicians. :grr:

[Ethelk2044]

18. Did the house vote yet?

[Cameron27]

20. No, they're voting on immigration right now. (I think)

[illinoisprogressive]

22. too many here get way too overdramatic before they even get any facts

some have already condemned Obama a day before the voting and going off the deep end over it.
Being overdramatic and jumping to conclusions does absolutely nothing for you, me or anyone else and only serves to make people look bad.
I think everyone needs to calm down and wait until the voting before saying anything.

[rucky]

27. What kind of jacked-up bill has minium wage and Iraq in it?

I want my money back.

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