i will be writing howard dean's name in

[DianeK]

i can not, in good conscience, vote for john kerry or any of the the other remaining candidates in this race to win our country back..i just watched as wes clark handed his support over to kerry and the words all these people are using these days they are taking right out of the mouth of howard dean..where were they last year when dean was courageous enough to question the emperor's clothing?

those that support howard dean are a powerful force, powerful enough to have changed the whole complexion of this race and the other candidates are very well aware of that and are desperate to have our support..they will not have that support from me as i have watched a very well organized effort from the likes of the dnc, dlc and republican party to manipulate this process.

i would be interested to know how many others feel as i do

[meegbear]

1. Thanks for the heads up ...

I'll be thinking of you during *'s inauguration.

[quaker bill]

16. You assume that this will make a difference

If we nominate Kerry, the race will not be all that close in November.

So perhaps, I will be thinking of you during *'s inauguration.

[Caution]

2. and if dean isnt the dem nominee

you will be in good conscience assisting in handing the country over to Bush for another four years. One of the defining attributes of the left side of the political spectrum is the ability to see things in shades of grey rather than in stark black/white.

Which is the lesser of two evils? What could possibly convince you that Kerry is worse than Bush?

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[NashVegas]

32. The Only Difference Between Write-In and Sit Home

Is that when you write in, you are on the record.

Why would anyone rather suggest someone stay home rather than go on the record, if there will be no difference in the count?

[gWbush is Mabus]

4. I'm ABB

I'll take Democratic corruption over GOP corruption any day ;)

[hellhathnofury]

5. Though I will be voting for the Dem nominee,

I'm with Dean all the way to the convention and hopefully beyond.

I assure you though that you are not alone.

[library_max]

6. Why not just write your own name in?

That way, you won't have to compromise your principles by voting for a candidate that you disagree with in any way whatsoever. And your candidate will have the same chance of winning as any other write-in.

[FrankBooth]

7. Well

I'm sure Dubya is finished with his right wing agenda and is finally going to preside as a moderate during his second term. I mean, Dubya wouldn't dare to appoint another couple of Scalia's to the Supreme Court, would he?

[SlavesandBulldozers]

8. check your conscience

is it really saying "vote for *?"

Dean was my choice too, but I say that if Dean's message was good enough to adopt it was because the message was good, and anybody who carries that message - to whatever degree - is way better than what we have now.

[hellhathnofury]

10. Actions speak louder than words.

Kerry is all bark, no bite.

Dated Dean. Married Kerry. Woke up with Bush! Ahh!

[BurtWorm]

9. I support your decision and applaud your integrity.

And I don't understand the contempt such individual choice arouses in people. It always makes the ABB types look scared out of their wits.

Fear is not going to win this election for Democrats. Passion and motivation are.

[LiberalBushFan]

11. If the system if corrupt do something about it

no one will notice your little protest vote unless the protest votes are above Bush's margin of victory

Secondly, I really don't think the blame lays on DNC any more than the voters. Politicians are supposed to represent their constituents. If the constituents don't care enough to choose their candidate carefully and just follow the media, they'll get an equally lazy candidate (Kerry), which they deserve. And if a few voters think the voting think voting is a game in which you send a message (i.e. "protest vote") rather than a practical, but very important process, they'll help us elect the joke president, Bush.

[HFishbine]

15. "no one will notice your little protest vote unless..."

Considering 2000, I'd say they still won't notice.

[BurtWorm]

17. You seem to have noticed her "little protest"

and seem so scared of it you have to belittle it. Nothing personal to you. A lot of people have this attitude.

[cavebat2000]

12. I am ABB

But I am going to be griding my teeth if I have to vote for Kerry.

[NWHarkness]

13. In good conscience?

Your conscience will allow you to help re-elect Bush?

[quaker bill]

24. It certainly could.

Read up on the Project for Progressive Internationalism. It is "our" response to PNAC. It attempts to reach for the exact same end result with a few more international partners. Kerry virtualy cut and pasted it into his book.

Here is a little snip:

While some complain that the Bush administration has been too radical in recasting America’s national security strategy, we believe it has not been ambitious or imaginative enough. We need to do more, and do it smarter and better to protect our people and help shape a safer, freer world.

Progressive internationalism occupies the vital center between the neo-imperial right and the non-interventionist left, between a view that assumes that our might always makes us right and one that assumes that because America is strong it must be wrong.

Too many on the left seem incapable of taking America’s side in international disputes, reflexively oppose the use of force, and begrudge the resources required to keep our military strong. Viewing multilateralism as an end in itself, they lose sight of goals, such as fighting terrorism or ending gross human rights abuses, which sometimes require us to act—if need be outside a sometimes ineffectual United Nations. And too many adopt an anti-globalization posture that would not only erode our own prosperity but also consign billions of the world’s neediest people to grinding poverty. However troubling the Bush record, the pacifist and protectionist left offers no credible alternative.

http://www.ppionline.org/documents/Progressive_Internationalism_1003.pdf

Why do I want to elect a Democrat that believes in this crap?

[CWebster]

14. Standing my ground

The line stops here or it will never stop.

you are not alone and more than anything else, that is what they fear.
Hang tough.

[Cheswick2.0]

18. yup, I agree

I have voted for democrats since 1976 and I will be voting for one this year too. Howard Dean, because the rest are echos.

[oasis]

19. I'm writing in my own name. I'll have a candidate that I agree with 100%

[BurtWorm]

20. Good for you!

:thumbsup:

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[Atlant]

22. I haven't decided about writing-in Dr. Dean.

I've made it clear in other postings that I won't be voting for
Kerry.

So if he were to be the nominee, I'd be left shopping for a candidate.

If Dr. Dean yields to Kerry, I think there's something incorrect
about going against Dean's wishes and still casting a vote for him.
Dean may wish to preserve whatever furture he sees himself as having
in Democratic politics, and every write-in vote cast for him would
probably be scored as a "demerit" by the Democratic Powers-that-Be.

So the odds are I would vote for a third party. I'd probably pick
whichever lefty third party looks to poll the largest numbers
(although I won't vote Green if the candidate is either Nader
or LaDuke; if they were the candidate(s), I'd vote one step
farther left.)

As you can see, I'm unsettled on the question of who I would
vote for; right now, I'm biding my time to see how Primary Season
plays out. Right now, it seems to be in re-runs, but sweeps week
is coming right up.

Atlant

[BurtWorm]

23. I'm pretty near to where you are.

I'd rather not vote Third Party if I don't have to. I'd rather see if the Dems can be sculpted with a little fear of Dean and the grassroots as the chisel.

[polpilot]

29. My third party vote won't be a protest vote but I am making sure that my

vote 'counts'. In order to 'count' it must reflect my displeausre with the repub-like DLC's pro-war, pro-republican agenda and note I won't be support that bullshit ANYMORE. Another 4 years of Bush...another 4 years of Kerry. Who'll notice the difference?

[BurtWorm]

38. To be honest, I would notice a difference.

I'm not going to pretend I wouldn't. But it does make me very nervous to think the imperialism will be better disguised. With Bush you know exactly what you're getting. With Kerry, if his primary campaign is any indication, you may be getting imperialism lite and a crowd of "left"-wingers and "liberals" barking at anyone who dares make such a criticism.

[NashVegas]

40. I Was All Set To

And then, I had last night's/this morning's news stories:

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said Thursday Congress should reinstate budget rules that would force lawmakers to cover the estimated $1 trillion that it will cost to make President Bush's tax cuts permanent. Greenspan said he favored reductions in government spending to pay for making the tax cuts permanent and suggested that one place to look should be in reducing the Social Security benefits paid to retirees.

Attorney General John Ashcroft on Thursday defended the decision to seek medical records of women who have undergone a type of late-term abortion and said it would not violate their privacy rights. A federal judge in New York said the information could be turned over while a federal judge in Chicago came to a different conclusion and ruled it would violate federal and state privacy laws.

Homes could start being connected to the Internet through electrical outlets, and consumers and business may find it easier to make cheaper telephone calls online under new rules that the Federal Communications Commission began preparing on Thursday. Under the new rules, expected to be completed in coming months, electric utilities could offer an alternative to the cable and phone companies and provide an enormous possible benefit to rural communities which are served by the power grid but not by broadband providers.


Here's how I'm looking at it now:

Candidate A will continue us on our course of imperialism abroad, and clamping down dissidents at home.

Candidate B will continue us on our course of imperialism abroad, and just might accidentally give us enough wiggle room. But if we don't use that room right away, Candidate 2008, if a Republican, will use whatever tools Candidate B has created for a complete and utter clampdown.

A part of me wants to make the eagle scream for all it's worth. But there's still no guarantee the good guys will win in the end.

[Hav]

25. .

If, by any chance, Dean will win the nomination, I hope that you will accept all those who in "good conscience" will refuse to vote for Dean,maybe just out of spite,just because of threads like this,even if it means 4 more years of Bush.
At least wait until the nominee is chosen, you won't persuade anyone with threats like these.This is only going to poison the atmosphere here more and more.

[Atlant]

28. More than one person here has stated *EXACTLY* this intention.

> If, by any chance, Dean will win the nomination, I hope that you will
> accept all those who in "good conscience" will refuse to vote for
> Dean,maybe just out of spite,just because of threads like this,even
> if it means 4 more years of Bush.

We Dean supporters aren't alone in not being willing to "rally
around the Party's nominee!". More than one non-Dean person here
has stated *EXACTLY* this intention with regard to Dr. Dean.

Atlant

[Rainbowreflect]

26. I really liked Dean months ago,

but starting with some things Dean himself said and day after day hate filled, mean spirited, negative B.S. I have heard from many (not all) of his supporters, I am glad he is not even close to being the front runner. I would not want to have to vote for him as the Dem nominee.

[IronLionZion]

I was a Dean supporter

until he became way too negative about the other Democrats

Edwards's positive message is good but I would gladly vote for the Democrat over Bush

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[Rich Hunt]

31. ah, here comes the big stick again

How useful is the spectre of Bush in these debates! What would we do without him?

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33. Like I care

These "I will not vote for the Dem nominee because..." vanity threads are ridiculous.

Do whatever you want, it will not affect the outcome either way.

[hellhathnofury]

36. ...because votes don't matter.

[w4rma]

34. I think that you may be letting your emotions get the better of you. (n/t)

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[NNN0LHI]

37. I am sure the Rethugs will appreciate your sentiment n/t

[Comadreja]

39. WWDD?

What would Dean do? He has already said he will not hurt the Party and will support the nominee, whoever it is. Obviously, a cue for the rest of us Deaniac Dems.

[oc2002]

41. Even though I like Dean above Kerry, I wll still vote for Kerry in Nov if

he is the candidate. Look at the alternatives, 4 more years of BUSH!!

No thanks.

Besides, Dean is a great spokesman, he should think about a congressional seat.

[aldian159]

42. Go for it

due to the wonders of the elctoral college, vermont will still go democrat, so if it takes a write in for you to sleep better at night, then go for it, more power to you.

[Larkspur]

43. If you are in a "safe" state, vote your conscience

If you are in a "swing" state, vote ABB.