I came across this disturbing site while googling the news for Kerry

[54anickel]

last night. I don't know what to make of it, but it bothers me a lot.
Has anyone already discredited this stuff?

http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_5107.shtml

[HFishbine]

1. Except

the author's premise will be shot to hell if Clark endorses Kerry.

[still_one]

2. One question

Then why is Clark endorsing Kerry?

[Desertrose]

4. can you say "cover your tracks"?

I don't know but it would throw people off the trail if he did endorse...IF its true...
:shrug:
stranger and stranger by the minute...
I'll stick with Dennis...

Peace
DR

[cosmicdot]

14. I was too busy composing .. and, then read your post

"I'll stick with Dennis" - my sentiments exactly

Rainbows


Poise


It's so vital to offer the anti-thesis of the BFEE ... it's what so many of us have been working and hoping for over 35 years. I guess Bobby Kennedy to didn't affect people the same as he did me. The ripple of hope is here.


Freedom by erasure
Released on Loveboat album.
------------------------------

Freedom will come
To real love
Heaven will come
For real love

Do-wah, Do-wah, Do-wah
Run away when it hurts
From the things that we do
Do-wah do-wah do-wah
Don’t know why we cry
Run away from the truth

Children of new men
Colors of human kind
In shadow
Good is your loving
Growing and sharing storms

Believe
You've got to believe

Calling the day freedom will come
And we will arise to real love
Day by day, heaven will come
And we’ll survive for real love

Cherish the union
The light in a stranger's eyes
Your guardian angel
Who will make all the wrong things right

Believe
You've got to believe

(doo wahh-doo wahh)
(doo wahhh, doo wahhh)
(doo wahh-doo wahh)
(doo wahhh, doo wahhh)

Calling the day freedom will come
And we will arise to real love
Day by day, heaven will come
And we’ll survive for real love

Calling the day freedom will come
And touch the sky in heaven above
Day by day, heaven will come
And we’ll survive for real love

Calling the day freedom will come
And touch the sky in heaven above
Day by day, heaven will come
And we’ll survive for real love

Calling the day freedom will come
And touch the sky in heaven above
Day by day, heaven will come
And we’ll survive for real love

[nancyharris]

5. Because

like those that were voted off Survivor Island, he hates to loose the spotlight. He has a small band of worshipers and he does not want to become irrelevant.

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[cosmicdot]

15. "maybe with a higher standard of supporters... DK ...

would be doing better in the polls."

Aside from indirectly insulting me being a substandard citizen ... maybe even one with loose morals ... my concern is how that is spotlighted on Dennis Kucinich ... Who Dennis Kucinich is, what he represents, symbolizes, invokes, and promises in the form of a vision for our present and future, is what draws me to him ... so, if I'm down here, standard-wise, does that make Dennis the same.

let's put Dennis's integrity on the table ...

pick any candidate at random ... say Wesley Clark
vs. Dennis

no, Dennis never worked and associated with Jackson Stephens, a man rumored to be involved in international corruption, perhaps even treason, who knows.

What Clark has done to go from under $100,000 as a General, to a multi-millionaire in 3-4 years is his business ... but, when comparing him to Dennis, I can't say Dennis Kucinich has much of anything except good intentions ...

Perhaps you are right, if Kucinich supporters would just get some integrity, he might be polling at 29%.

[eileen_d]

3. I wish all political articles started like this one does

This article below is both polemical and accusatory; it is a stray from what I would normally write, but I think it needs to be said, you do not have to agree nor even like it. It troubles me enough to have written it.

LOL - I wonder if Mr. Hulet's hands were trembling with every keystroke?

P.S. Clark is set to endorse Kerry in Wisconsin today.
P.P.S. The article cites Drudge who cites a statement that Clark has never confirmed making.

[cosmicdot]

16. I agree. He's a patriot.

[libview]

6. to cover for his huge blunder

IMHO

[Adelante]

7. You googled for this site?

You wasted time. It was posted to DU several times yesterday. Look to DU first for smear-the-Dem-candidates backup material! ;)

[maddezmom]

8. yup it's a dupe

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=323155&mesg_id=323155

[54anickel]

11. Thanks, I didn't know it was posted.

[drfemoe]

9. What's to "discredit"?

This information has been posted at DU by a team of researchers many times. People choose not to see what they refuse to see.

[Tim_in_HK]

12. Yeah, it bothers me a lot too . . .

that the Internet can be used for such ridiculous things as well.

How do you discredit a conspiracy theory that is so utterly ridiculous? Actually, to call it a theory would be wholly inaccurate. It's just a fantasy.

I get so confused. Is Clark a Republican political operative created by the Star Chamber to destroy the ability of the Dems to win the White House? Or is he the creation of the Clinton wing of the Democratic Party and being used as a stalking horse for Hillary's run? Or maybe he's both. Or maybe he's got a great doppelganger out there. Or maybe he's just a cyborg, and there's multiple Clarks out there, all up to no good.

I especially like his half-assed statements along the lines . . . "I am about to accuse someone with an accusation that is so incredible that no one darea ask it and it would blow your mind if it was answered correctly. But even if not, if you can't figure out that 2+2=5, then your analytical skills are lacking or you are a shill yourself. Or you just don't want to understand because it would blow your mind . . . your paradigms would shatter . . . blah blah blah." This is one of the worst conspiracy thinkers I've ever seen.

Not only does this guy have on a tinfoil hat, but it's on so tight it cut off the air to his brain. He sounds like someone waiting for the Rapture. Although it's probably more accurate to call it the anti-Rapture.

[cosmicdot]

13. I maintain my support for Dennis Kucinich

I only read down through the 'bleed' money, time, resources, support part; but, bookmarked the article for future reference. Thank you for posting.

Greg Palast has been spot on with his coverage of most everything the BFEE does, including the 2000 election. I would love to know his up-to-the moment thoughts of what's really going on.

With all of us millions down here, I sense that, in reality, only a small fraction, a network of good ol'boys, far above our landscape, are making a few phone calls here and there, and making things happen.

In the megaplex world, it seems impossible -- but, I think something that simple is possible.


~snip~
“I used to say, ‘you think Clinton’s bad, you ain’t seen nothing yet.’

And if you think George Bush is the problem, you have not seen what comes after Bush.

Bush is building the Empire. Wait until you see who comes to run the Empire.

Frank Sontag: Maybe we’ll have a guy in uniform as President.

CBHulet: I did mention that in a press release.

~snip~

I found those thoughts quite interesting. I think this person has good instincts and philosophy: to end the BFEE/PNAC or whatever it is is like Count Dracula ... and, not to enable it ... perhaps without self-realization of that ...

I, also, like the opening disclaimer:

This article below is both polemical and accusatory; it is a stray from what I would normally write, but I think it needs to be said, you do not have to agree nor even like it. It troubles me enough to have written it.

I'm sticking with my own instincts and natural occurring INFP personality things; and, from what I've researched and observed over the last couple of years:

I think some 'guilt through association' has relevancy. When I saw Wesley Clark, not only associated with Jackson Stephens, but that he worked for him, it said something about the man. The Jackson Stephens name carries some heavy, negative baggage. The association with Acxiom is telling: it has gathered data on, at least, 180 million of us ... wouldn't be nice if they would tell us what it is? If one was looking for 'clues', Wesley Clark made some really bold statements. The information is done on a dot-to-dot basis ... and, many of the dots pass by the same people; and, one begins to look at Corporate Boards, and begin noticing just how small their world is, and other things not friendly to our People.

I would think that Dennis Kucinich has had his position papers and files as an on-going project. When Wesley Clark entered the contest, he didn't have any. They appeared virtually overnight in cyber time -- wow; but, during the interim, specialists in blog multiplication used code words to steal this base ... and, this sense of support gave way to a national Clark base.

Tin foil hats are OK. In 1999-2000, I learned that there was a website bringing me up-to-snuff on George W's past bad boy stuff ... his skeletons

http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm

and, through http://www.realchange.org

I learned that others had skeletons as well, but Bush's life is what amazed me: he was telling the truth when he said that he was a media creation, and that that 'nothingness' couldn't get him into the Governor's mansion. Well, 'they' created him.

Plus, he was/is the Republican standard-bearer.

Hey, I ran with those details, as did others; and, websites and anti-Bush sites, and yahooo groups formed in reaction to this smirky little frat boy: before and after the coronation.

Awareness of his skeletons, led to more detailed research and exposure of the BFEE.

Skull and Bones has been a pumped up topic thanks to the tag team of the Carlyle and Blackstone Groups, the Poppy Bush Presidential Library Foundation 50 some trustees, the BFEE ... and, Baker Boots Poppy Bush & Scalia violated one of our most cherished trusts: selection of President. Skull and Bones. Whatever one thinks, it's still an eye-brow raiser, and gives motivation to do more research and digging.

Skull & Bones is given the beating of just another frat org, and that there must be 'good' bonesmen and 'bad' bonesmen. It doesn't matter, but the interest started long before any Democrats announced ... and, that interest led to the reviewing S&B membership rosters, other names were noticed ... and, then, you use your own devices on sorting it out ... but, always listen and look to learn from others.

Everyone is on their own to sort it out, and, then, to believe what you will. It's only one aspect ... there are enough 'other' things to look at for 'clues', and guidance in looking for integrity and goodness.

I was, also, made aware of http://www.bushbodycount.com
and my 'it couldn't happen here' side gave in to the possibilities, and amplified by what the Bush-Cheney administration were doing ... from M/LIHOP to bin Laden to PATRIOT Act, and other telling things.

The coup, for me, began in November 1963, and has had it's various Operations, i.e. October Surprise of 1980 ... it's not going to stop until a stake is put in its heart ... not for removing Jr.

Bush spoke of Afghanistan as the 1st War of the 21st Century ... and, I still haven't heard, and I'm sure over 3 years ... somebody had to have read some of my emails ... anyone call Bush on such a negative vision for our country and world.

A Peace Dept. with its level of initiatives, at home and abroad, is the closest anti-thesis I've seen.

George W. Bush is the first CEO president of the 21st Century.

The good ol'boys decide who will ruin our economy as they profit as they fill corporate ladder posts.

They are choosing our candidate for us.

We need to rescue this country from corporate amerikkka and its media enablers ... not through token words and such campaign promises as: 'I'm a uniter, not a divider."

So, long story short ... I found it interesting. Thanks, again, for linking us to it.

[On the Road]

17. You Need More Than This:

"Clark arguably was approached all right, but I will here suggest by the Grey Men who “remain behind the curtains” and “really run the great stage play,” as Benjamin Disraeli once described them."

Certainly political strategy is planned and deals are made that we never know about. The author is just admitting that he has no idea either.

[cosmicdot]

18. unless, if only, it's all been done before for us to learn from

which leads people to make quotes about history repeating itself and/or failure to learn about the past, and stuff