Bush to Release Anti-Kerry Ad Mimicking Dean’s "Special Interests" Charge

[Sensitivity]

MSNBC just reported last hour that Bush is going to Release Anti-Kerry Ad Mimicking Dean’s Attacks on Kerry for "Special Interest" fundraising.

I guess the whole "spedial interest" story was a Rove plant after all,
Then we Dems predictably ran with it.

Now that WE have made the charge credible in the media (even though it seems to have been refuted by Public Citizen) the Repubs are releasing their attack Ad campaign basically paraphrasing Dean.

I predict that certain endorsers are going to be Publicly withdrawing
in protest over the nastiness of the Attacks.

There is absolutely no dignity and pride left. Sadly, the whole movement is ending in a pile of mud and we have only ourselves to blame.

[ibegurpard]

1. Yeah

The Republicans were sitting around wondering "How on earth are we going to deal with John Kerry?" If you think that they needed help dealing with John Kerry then I don't know what to tell you.
Never mind that he has a VOTE on a HUGE issue that (regardless of how complicated or nuanced the situation is) can be EASILY spun to make him look like a huge hypocrite.

[Homer12]

2. Funny thing is

is What credability BUshco has critisizing Kerry regarding special intrest money considering their the largest Special Intrest money whores in the country.

The ad is basically saying, John Kerry is as bad as we are so vote for us. It's pathetic.

[eileen_d]

3. Thank you, Howard Dean!

:eyes:

[w4rma]

23. IMO, Kerry provided his own ammunition

Heck, he practically handed it out.

[Anwen]

36. Yeah.

It's all Dean's fault. I'm sure the Republicans wouldn't have been able to figure this out on their own. :eyes:

[Cheswick2.0]

53. yup Dean forced Kerry to be a money grubbing special interest do-boy

it's all Dean's fault because surely the republicans wouldn't have figured it out on their own...karl rove being so stupid and bad at his job.

[BR_Parkway]

4. Every election that has more candidate can do this

Part of the primary is convincing the electorate that "A" is the one to pick over "B". Obviously, it's easy enough for the opposing party to pick up those comments and say, "See, you should vote for us, even "A" said this about "B".

So far the only one who's comments are least likely to get used that way are Edwards, but we're a long way from November.

[WiseMen]

5. Shows Flexibility of Rove: Uses Dean Either as "Target" or "Attack Dog"

Either way it works for them.

[ibegurpard]

9. Waiting for you to blame Kerry, Lieberman, Al From, et al.

for giving the Republicans ammunition to take out Dean. Suspect I will have to wait a very long time.

[eileen_d]

10. IMO, Dean provided his own ammunition

Heck, he practically handed it out.

[CWebster]

11. No he didn't

They made what someone here called "a pop culture mockery" out of him based on ZERO. They deliberately portrayed a pep rally deceptively and then flooded the airwaves with it like nothing since Clinton's famous lie. At least Clinton's words were based in some reality.

[eileen_d]

19. I was not referring to "The Scream"

I thought all of the media hype on that was bogus. But ultimately Dean had plenty of other problems. He lost Iowa before "the scream", didn't he?

[Sensitivity]

22. Scream Was Beautiful. This is disgusting and a lot of us are confused

and ashamed.

[funky_bug]

40. Scream nullified sealed records

Come on! Howard was under fire for his sealed records long before the scream. The scream was, I'll admit, the nail in the coffin (unjustly imho). All the scream did was make everyone forget about the sealed records.

[stickdog]

41. But that's it. Dean sealed his records like all other politicians.

That was the sum total of the "legitimate" attacks on Dean!

[Cheswick2.0]

54. sealed records...more bullshit

and unimportant.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

47. yep, that's exactly what they did

build him up and tear him down. The Dean movement really had something behind it - the corporate media set you up, gave you 15 minutes, and then just like those old vaudville shows, the cane comes out and drags you off the stage.

[murielm99]

6. The special interests charges can be refuted very easily.

[WiseMen]

35. Doesn't matter once the Slime is out there it is in the subconsious

[Cheswick2.0]

55. really?

cause I don't see how taking money from special interests and then dealing out favors is anything that can be refuted.

[Renew Deal]

7. Here is the ad

It's the first one. Dean should be proud.

http://www.georgewbush.com/News/Newscasts.aspx

[HFishbine]

16. Dean should be proud?

Please. Anybody who wants to see what the RNC has in store for Kerrry should watch the ad. It's what's coming regardless of anything Dean said or did.

[Renew Deal]

24. No, Dean gives it credibility.

If the "Democrats" are saying it, it must be true.

[HFishbine]

25. Maybe I missed it

But I didn't see anywhere in the Bush ad where the charges leveled at Kerry relied on (or even mentioned) Dean or democrats. It seems to me that the Bushies are quite prepared to make Kerry's special interest ties an issue which stands on its own merit.

[The Magistrate]

48. It Is Precisely The Same Attack, Sir

It uses the same artfully constructed figure, sourced to the same newspaper article, and quite likely was put together after conclusion from the reaction of the followers of Gov. Dean that it might be a good line for depressing Democratic turn-out.

The statement is, in fact, a ludicrous one, as monies from individuals employed as lobbyists is a tiny fraction of the special interest money sluiced into the Capitol. The truth is that in any given year, the current administration has collected more special interest money than Sen. Kerry has in his entire career.

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[Cheswick2.0]

57. yup, Kerry's corruption is all Howard Deans fault

again :eyes:

[drfemoe]

26. I wish more people would believe what Dean says

... every word.

[stickdog]

42. It's credibility is self-evident, with or without Dean. (nt)

[The Magistrate]

49. It Has No Credibility Whatever, Sir

It is an artful distortion, nothing more. Nothing more than that could be expected from a Republican campaign, of course, but was a disappointment to see such swill emanating from a Democratic candidate against another Democratic candidate, and an even greater disappointment to see persons on this forum cling to it, and support it, when all that such actions do is peovide aid and comfort to the criminals of the '00 Coup.

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[Cheswick2.0]

56. LOL, Oy the irony!

:eyes:

[CWebster]

8. If it is true, it is true

regardless of who utters it.

[ShimokitaJer]

12. Then perhaps Kerry shouldn't have accepted special interest money

Particularly if he was planning on making the fact that he wasn't accepting special interest money a cornerstone of his campaign.

[WiseMen]

14. You have been around long enough to know Public Interest has show it false

[ShimokitaJer]

20. I've been around long enough to see it denied repeatedly

Except, of course, when I actually post data that shows it to be true... then I don't get any response at all.

Tell you what, you can post the Public Interest article, and I'll go track down some data from Open Secrets, the Center for Public Integrity, etc. to see just how Kerry has been using the soft money from his PAC "Citizen Soldier Fund." Then we can come back and see how Kerry shapes up... not in relation to Bush who sets the bar WAY too low, but in relation to the other candidates. Deal?

[WiseMen]

13. Once a Dem Says It, It's Fair Game Even if Totally Phony.

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[GRClarkesq]

15. Is Kerry the fundraising champ in the Senate?

I hace heard the charge made the Kerry has collected more special internest money in the last 15 years than any other senator.

Anyone point to some numbers?

[WiseMen]

17. I Can Imagine What They're Working on Next: Just Waiting for Dean to SpeaK

[oasis]

37. lf Rove wants to spend Chimpy's money by using a discredited messenger,

bring it on.

[stickdog]

43. Dean has a BIG problem with the truth.

He often tells it.

[progressivebydesign]

18. Oh yes.. blame Dean for Kerry's record.

I'm sorry, that is the funniest post I've read here in weeks. We certainly have DEAN to blame for Bush's ad against Kerry. I mean.. gosh, with all those 6-figure political consultants with Bush they never would have figured that one out on their own. The truth is the truth.. that's why people are talking about it. Have we blamed Dean yet for leaking the 20 year old girl story?

[WiseMen]

21. Anyone Who Reads Can Find that "Special Interest" Story is bogus

[progressivebydesign]

28. Sorry.. me not read.. just look at pretty pictures. N/T

[Cheswick2.0]

60. so show me the numbers

?

[mzmolly]

27. Did you catch the *Osama Ad* That was PAID FOR BY DEMOCRATS.

So as they say lets quit "crying in our teacups." At least the Rethugs are footing the bill for these ads.

[stickdog]

44. Futhermore, Kerry & Gep attacked Dean for criticizing Bush too much

about Saddam & Osama.

Dean attacks other Dems for being too much LIKE Bush.

Which attacks hurt Dems more and why?

[BuelahWitch]

59. I was wondering when someone would bring up the Osama ad

Thanks MzMolly! :hi: "Dean as Osama brought to you by Pals of Kerry"...

[TheStateChief]

29. I Doubt Many Care About This 'Issue' But...

I do find it funny that Kerry supporters get upset when people say the Senator took money from special interests. He took the money - it's a fact - so don't get upset like its some kind of attack when someone says it.

[WiseMen]

38. Like Environmental and Defense of the Poor "special"???

[markus]

It has not been refuted by Public Citizen

The stats cut both ways.

Yes, he didn't take much PAC money.

Yes, he got a lot of money from specific special interests, and based on teh time I spent around such things, I would suspect much of it was probably bundled, because that's how things go.

I am sick of every criticism of Kerry being charged as a Republican plant. I notice not a lot of threads are getting locked on this issue.

So, basically, Kerry supporters are free to accuse anyone who questions Kerry's stature to be the nominee can be called a Republican or a tool of the Republicans.

Bush is going to do everything in his power to destroy our nominee. If you think they had to wait for Howard Dean to come up with some nefarious idea and then steal it, you don't know very much about Republicans.

Kerry has liabilities. Get over it. If he is our nominee, we have to live with that.

I am also not convinced that Kerry will have any postitive affect in Washington, beyond the negative of No More Bush, no GOP appointments to the Supremes, etc.

We'll see some executive orders on the environment reversed, and some of the tax cuts repealed.

But business will largely continue as usual.

I think that will be a great disappointment to many of us, but should not come as a surprise, either.

Hell, if Howard Dean was our Goldwater, then we are a generation away from the promised land.

[Sensitivity]

34. Public Interest: "When ALL Funds are Counted" Kerry got LEAST not MOST

Repubs were using only "individual donations" as the target of their
analysis (more details are provided for these) rather that all
donations which would include soft money and PAC donations which Repubs wallow in but Kerry and some other Dems do not accept.

The truth is the opposite of what the stories were saying, and it
is a shame for any of us, regardless of which candidate we support, to keep spreading deceptive information. I wouldn't want them to
do this to Dean after 20 years of fund-raising. It is just
unethical.

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[hellhathnofury]

32. Where's your star?

[DemNoir]

31. Wow was i ever wrong

I was betting that the Bush campaign would not release one negative ad this campaign. Silly me!

[drfemoe]

33. Didn't I hear that when *B* was going after

Dean that was *proof* that the Repukes wanted Dean for the nominee?? Those fickle Rs.. can't decide who they WANT to run against.

[WiseMen]

39. Good Guess about endorsers pressuring Dean OR inside info?

[candy331]

45. Dean is exactly right the media

needs a work over. You mean to tell me Bush is raising over 200 million and no special interest money is involved. Give me a break please, I don't see this as ammunition!

[rocktivity]

46. Ever heard of Halliburton?

The Bush regime is no position to play the "special interest" game, or any other! BRING IT ON!!!


rocknation

[Kinkistyle]

50. HOLY BLACK POT BATMAN!

This coming from an Administration that has tried to stack every single high-level government position with a corporate lobbyist/crony. IF THE POT WERE ANY BLACKER IT WOULD ABSORB LIGHT AND FORM ITS OWN GALAXY.

[WiseMen]

51. Sadly, Many in the Party are Angrier at Dean for This than Bush

[Cheswick2.0]

61. Sadly the person you should be angry at is John Kerry

BTW, have you ever read the information on PPI? It is very interesting, all about how democrats want to be the happy shiney nicer version of world domination and "preventive" war.

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