Remember what "Deep Throat" said

[MissWaverly]

What "Deep Throat" said is even more timely today becuz their political strategy has now turned into government policy in running
the DOJ, GSA, et al.

Who did they spy on (my heading)
"Much of the intelligence-gathering was on their own campaign contributors, and some to check on the Democratic contributors-to
check people out, and sort of semi-blackmail them if something was found...a very heavy-handed operation." page 131,

Were they involved in rigging the primaries (my heading)
"I know of intelligence-gathering and games in Illinois, New York, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, California, Texas, Florida and the
District of Columbia." The President forces have been out to wreck the campaigns of both the Democrats and of Nixon's challengers
within his own party..." page 133.

Did they deliberately present false information to the press? (my heading)
"That operation was not only to check leaks to the papers but often to manufacture items for the press." same source

Did they go fishing in private medical records and use it for political purposes?
"The business of Eagleton's drunk-driving record or his health records. I understand, involves the White House and Hunt somehow.
Total manipulation-that was their goal, with everyone eating at one time or another out of their hands. Even the press." pg 133-134

Woodward's question to Deep Throat
"The White House had been willing to subvert-was that the right word? The entire electoral process? Had actually gone ahead
and tried to do it? Another nod. Deep Throat looked queasy." page 135

All quotes are from All the President's Men by Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward, Pocket Books, NY, 1974.

[ClassWarrior]

1. Follow the money...

NGU.

[MissWaverly]

3. Yes, indeed another Deep Throat memorable quote

and there are millions missing in Iraq in oil revenue, hmmmmmm. and there's the missing money from the sanctions program that
was shipped in "bricks" to Iraq, hmmmmm.

[Journeyman]

9. I'm just curious where all those dollars they asked be sent for Afghanistan went. . .

Where did that money disappear to? Remember that: The White House asked school children to send dollars to the White House "for the children of Afghanistan." No explanation of how the money would be used, no name attached for accountability -- just send cash in an envelope, "Dollars for Afghani Children Fund" I believe is what they called it.

What a scam . . .

I Google it today, get next to nothing -- a couple of school websites from 2001 detailing their fundraising efforts: washing cars, etc, all to line BushCo's pockets with absolutely clean cash. I wonder if an Afghani child ever saw a nickle of it. . .

[MissWaverly]

12. there was also a scam with donations for 9-11 victims

it was outsourced to a private contractor who collected the goods, shipped them to Denver and resold them for a profit. I lost
the article when my hard drive crashed so I no longer have the link.

[MADem]

10. That's what I've been saying for quite some time here.

GE owns NBC, CNBC, MSNBC.

WESTINGHOUSE is the parent company of CBS, which is owned by VIACOM...and WESTINGHOUSE is also partnered with (oh yeah...!) GE!!!

Vice is nice, but incest is best?

http://www.politicalfriendster.com/showPerson.php?id=909&name=CBS
http://www.politicalfriendster.com/showConnection.php?id1=909&id2=2580 http://www.politicalfriendster.com/showPerson.php?id=35&name=General-Electric

Let's look at ABC, too, while we're at it. Friends of Pat Robertson, up to their assets in DISNEY, connected to NBC via RCA...it's all a big, happy, corporate family.

http://www.politicalfriendster.com/showConnection.php?id1=570&id2=2857
http://politicalfriendster.com/showPerson.php?id=3377&name=ABC-Family

All of these network entities partner with cable news outlets, too. It's obvious, when you see it. And the radio connections are totally comingled.

The corporate sponsors of television programming make a bundle off the Pentagon. They are the ones that PAY for the programming we see; they are the ones who get billions out of our Treasury each and every year. They tell the talking heads what to report. They don't want them "dwelling" on things that are gonna bring the prowar gravy train to a halt. That's why it's all Paris, Britney, and Anna Nicole, all the time. They pay the bills; they make the rules.

There's no independent media anymore. It's all a big con job. If you ever hear a dissenting voice on the networks, it's because the corporate masters ALLOWED that voice to be heard, to keep folks from getting the idea that we're totally oppressed and controlled.

[MissWaverly]

13. Yes, look at how quickly DC madam story shut down

[MADem]

19. Well, ABC - Disney is so far to the right it isn't funny. If they did find

Unka Dick's phone number, they weren't gonna tell us...but oh, I do wish that were TRUE!

It would make me laugh like I haven't so done in a long while!

[MissWaverly]

20. well, they bought the rights for the phone records

maybe they are just waiting till the 2008 election to drop the bombshells.

:-(

[tigereye]

31. I think there are a lot of people who don't watch tv anymore

or for news.

In fact, I think that tv is on it's way out. So I don't totally understand why people are so obsessed with the idea of the MSM. Media is less centralized and more diverse than ever before.

I only watch network news for contrast, and when I do watch tv news, it's the News Hour with Jim Lehrer, who give a very balanced report. Most people under a certain age don't even watch tv. There is independent media, everywhere. It's just a matter of looking for it on the web, etc. Or even on independent radio....

:shrug:

[MissWaverly]

36. I agree that I also rely on the internet for the news BUT

remember FOX News voters had the highest support for Bush compared to any demographic and even with the dirty tricks and vote rigging
brought the margin in Florida close enough to steal.

[tigereye]

42. sadly I think that Fox simply reinforces certain attitudes that are already there

or the endless repetition, lack of thought and insight of the content has a propagandizing effect ...


I don't always think that simply the presence of political attitudes and views that we don't like mean that the media is controlled by the rightwing.

When I watch MSM, i am more struck by the lack of deep analysis than a presumption of rightwing subtext.... oddly I think that the RW tends to assume LW bias for the same material that we often may see as RW.

[MissWaverly]

43. Media has been pressured by Bushco for biased approach

I think we were sold the war by constant repetition, watch Bill Moyers excellent show on how the Media sold the war which
documents this by showing film clips of Bush, Cheney, Condi endlessly quoting mushroom clouds, weapons of mass destruction, chemical and biological weapons, no facts, no reasoned approaches, just rhetoric and a lot of fist waving. I think Bushco sold the war
and the media lacked the objectivity to play its role as an independent fourth estate.

[tigereye]

46. yes the propagandizing regarding the war is certainly true

but haven't there been many examples of media propagandizing war particularly in cases where we were attacked in some way, but also in cases where we were not (like WWi? I can't help but think of WWII propaganda in newsreels, etc. What bothers me more is the admins spinning of absurd concepts and falsehoods in a 1984ish manner. Im not a communications scholar or anything, but aren't there examples of the media pushing those types of attitudes and information in the past?


I guess I'm thinking that there is a social attitude component, more than the media. I guess you could argue that media tends to reinforce some existing attitudes, probably linked to some bizarre concept of national pride....

sorry, just playing a little "devil's advocate" here.... :)

I did see some of the Moyers special.

John Stewart actually does some really good media analysis! and I suppose that makes your point in some way, for the fact that a comedian is more likely to take * to task analytically (and amusingly) than, say Katie Couric, would.

[MissWaverly]

51. also the bit in Colin Powell's UN speech from PhD thesis

it was widely reported in Britain but not here, people would have asked more questions if there had been objective reporting of the facts.

[MADem]

37. I watch HBO for the Sopranos, Big Love, that kind of thing, and the BBC for news.

But I look at all of it with a grain of salt...

[MissWaverly]

40. there's nothing wrong with a healthy skepticism

esp. since we have been subjected to mind games since Bush became president.

[followthemoney]

48. Jim Lehrer Sucks

PBS anchor Jim Lehrer tells Australia public radio: "If somebody in the media just assumes everybody in the government is a liar, that's no way to operate. ...

http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=45&aid=122978

[tigereye]

56. that seems like a really limited way to judge someone's journalistic

career, don't you think?

And not a very effective argument either. We can't assume that everyone is a liar.

[L. Coyote]

45. My favorite by far. Today, that's a lot of trails to follow. Abramoff for starters

and how many more corrupt lobbyists. Understanding Who is giving money to Whom, Why, and for What, is the key, both bribes and the legal $$$.

FOLLOW THE MONEY in every investigation = Lobbyists & $$$ BILLIONS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x853813#854333

======= Top Spenders, 1998-2006

#1 - US Chamber of Commerce - $317,164,680

#2 - American Medical Assn - $156,375,500

#3 - General Electric - $137,770,000

#4 - American Hospital Assn - $129,114,026

========= Top Sectors, 1998-2006

#1 - Finance, Insurance & Real Estate - $2,558,205,882

#2 - Health - $2,298,865,053

[calimary]

49. Words to the wise - TO THIS VERY DAY.

And NGU, absolutely. With everything we've got!

Especially since that's what they wish like hell we WOULD do: give up. Which is why I REFUSE!!!

[MissWaverly]

52. Yes, and the bloggers never stop asking questions

People keep asking, why did the Supreme Court intervene in a presidential election? Why did we go to war with Iraq? Why was the
PDB stating Bin Laden determined to attack the US ignored? Why did the exit polls not match the vote tallies in 2004? Why did
we ship mercenaries down to the Gulf Coast while people were dying from thirst? Why are we torturing people w/o trials for 6 years
at GITMO?

[aquart]

2. Yeah. Funny how the same names turn up in BushCo.

That Bush would hire any of them in the first place told you right off the bat what he intended to do. Can't imagine why anyone pretended to think otherwise.

[MissWaverly]

4. Yes, I agree but we would have better off to deal with it then

But since we were so into healing and forgiveness we forgot about justice and what was best for the
country, so we get to deal with it now,

sigh,

[aquart]

32. Me, I wasn't into healing and forgiveness.

I was into public hanging and flogging. Still am.

[MissWaverly]

34. there should have been trials

look at the GOP practice of "caging lists" - a big fine and a slap on the wrist is not going to cut it. There has to be jail time,
otherwise, dirty tricks will never stop. The only way to restore a clean election is to make them accountable.

[aquart]

50. YES.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

5. MissWaverly, I love you much... but this is 2007...

The 'return' button on your keyboard is obsolete. :P

K&R!



Book TV Schedule: May 12th - 14th

*Anatomy of Deceit: How the Bush Administration Used the Media to Sell the Iraq War and Out a Spy.
*2007 LA Times Festival of Books - Iraq Panel - featuring: William Langewiesche, T. Christian Miller, Robert Scheer, and Chris Hedges.
*Not On Our Watch: The Mission to End Genocide in Darfur and Beyond
This Moment on Earth: Today's New Environmentalists and Their Vision for the Future.
*2007 LA Times Festival of Books - State of the Union Panel - featuring: Amy Goodman, Douglas Kmiec, Greg Palast.
*2007 LA Times Festival of Books - Age of Spin Panel - featuring: Frank Luntz, Joe Conason, David Goodman, and Michael Isikoff.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x870952

[MissWaverly]

6. yes, it is 2007 but they are still doing the same thing

Why do you think the fbi went to Vegas in 2004 and demanded info on 1 million revelers there for New Years in the name of National Security? The story is in my journal under "Probably You."

[Viva_La_Revolution]

7. Touche.

:hug:

[MissWaverly]

8. There's a cancer growing on the presidency

People have lost faith in our government and in our electoral process. Here's the Republican speaker in
the Florida House of Representatives saying that Florida had no say in picking the presidential candidate,
there is anger, fear and frustration, if you can go and watch this session on PBS from May 7th, do so.

JUDY WOODRUFF: For more, we are joined by Marco Rubio. He is the speaker of Florida's House of Representatives.
He is a Republican. Marco Rubio, let me begin with you. Why did you want to move -- and I understand you were
a leader in this effort -- to see Florida's primary move up to January?

MARCO RUBIO, Speaker, Florida House of Representatives: Well, it's good for Florida. Our taxpayers were paying
for an election that didn't mean anything. We didn't have any delegates. We had a bunch of folks that got
invited to a party in August and got to go to a balloon drop but had no role to play in deciding who the party
nominee of either party was going to be. So now candidates are going to have to come to Florida and answer
questions which are important to Floridians and, by the way, closely mirror what are important to Americans.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/jan-june07/primaries_05-07.html

[MADem]

11. And there's mold growing on all branches, to boot! nt

[MissWaverly]

14. something has to be done and soon

when I watched the PBS session on early primaries, there is total panic among the states, they are threatening to move them up
to Halloween of 07 in order to have a say in picking the candidate.

[MADem]

18. Yep, they all want to pee on the tree first. It's just silly. Hell, people will forget to vote!

Everyone will assume the decision is made, a year in advance or more!

[MissWaverly]

21. No, I think the implication is that the candidates are picked

by the party hacks not the party faithful. I think there is some truth in this. I will never understand why the Republicans had
Bush run again in 2004 when they were well aware of all the things that the rest of us could only guess at.

[MADem]

22. There's that, certainly. They probably had Bush run again though, because his crew

knew where all the bodies were buried, and they couldn't get rid of all of them. That whole 'hate and fear' routine works well not just to keep a country in line, but to keep cronies in line as well!

[MissWaverly]

25. I think the warrantless wiretaps also had a role

I wish this would seriously be addressed and although the House has passed a resolution banning it, I am afraid the senate will
stall on the issue.

[MADem]

26. You're probably right... NT

[MissWaverly]

27. see my post at #15

attorney general during Nixon's presidency was found guilty of not giving accurate testimony to congress, this is one of the sticking
points, there has been so many cover-ups, the real picture is lost.

[MADem]

28. Ah, memories...of Martha Mitchell!!!!

[MissWaverly]

29. at the time she was portrayed as a gadfly

but she was right about what was going on back then, I wish that we had more people willing to stand up
and speak the truth.

[glitch]

44. That cancer hit the lymph nodes in 2000, it remains untreated. nt

[MissWaverly]

15. sound familiar?

Investigators could not establish that the settlement of an antitrust suit against the International Telephone and Telegraph Corporation (ITT) was in return for ITT's pledge of money for the 1972 Republican convention. But former Attorney General Kleindienst pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of failing to testify fully before the Senate. He had denied, falsely, that he had been pressured by Nixon to drop the antitrust suit. California Lt. Gov. Ed Reinecke was convicted of testifying falsely that he had not discussed the ITT money pledge with Attorney General Mitchell until after the antitrust suit was settled. His conviction was reversed; a Senate quorum had not been present during his testimony.

http://cc.msnscache.com/cache.aspx?q=8137085092532&lang=en-US&mkt=en-US&FORM=CVRE8

[Forkboy]

16. "Mmmmmm...come here big boy"?

Or was that a different Deep Throat? :evilgrin:

[MissWaverly]

17. he was given the name deep throat as a play on words

since he was deep cover and an inside man in the government, yes, there was a porn flick out at the time named that.

[Forkboy]

23. I'm familiar with both.

Sorry,just having a little fun today.

[MissWaverly]

24. well, they probably were too when they named him that

but we still have to go back and figure out what was done then as a clue to what is being done now esp. since there are many people
that were inside players in the Nixon administration that are inside players in Bushco.

[Forkboy]

30. Annoying isn't it?

The same jokers keep turning up over and over.I wish ONE person could explain to me how Kissinger can still be taken seriously by any thinking creature.How many times can a person be wrong and still be considered a expert?

Although hey,Condi Rice is considered an expert too. :crazy:

[MissWaverly]

33. the sad thing about appointees

They never have to run on their record, look at Rove, do you think that the GOP would have run him after he was fired by GHB for leaking info to Novak. Or the close relationship of current appointees and major corporations, Let's see, there's Condi and Chevron, hmmmm.

[MADem]

35. Ooooh, oooooh!!! I know, I know, I know!!! (Raises hand, waves it about!)

Kissinger gets treated like a genius not because of his pronouncements or his perceived wisdom, but because, as one of the ugliest muthas in the western world, he actually managed to tap Jill Saint John.



There are many who are still in absolute awe of that achievement.

... Kissinger was not connected with the Watergate scandal that would eventually ruin Nixon and many of his closest aides; this greatly increased Kissinger's reputation as he became known as the "clean man" of the bunch.

At the height of his popularity, he was even regarded as something of a sex symbol and seen dating such starlets as Jill St. John, Marlo Thomas,<32> Shirley MacLaine, and Candice Bergen. He was quoted as saying "Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac".<33> There was even discussion of ending the requirement that a U.S. president be born in America by amending the U.S. Constitution so that Kissinger could have a chance to run.<34>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger

[MissWaverly]

38. well, consider who he was compared with

Spiro Agnew, and "I am not a crook" Richard Nixon, enjoy your magazine covers

[Forkboy]

39. OMG...I soooo didn't need that image

:D

[MissWaverly]

41. your avatar is appropriate

I thought of him as a leftover of the "Cold War" even then.

[followthemoney]

47. Domestic Surveillance was not limited to Democrats but was used against

all citizens who Tricky Dicky thought could interfere with his political plans.

His downfall came when he went up against a group who could fight back. See Cointelpro. Lots of citizens without political power and no recourse just had to take it. No one stood up for them. It took a long time for the Democrats to even stand up for themselves.

[MissWaverly]

53. Yes, he attacked Republicans who were a challenge to him

he thought the Republican power was his personal power switch, existing for the needs and comfort of Richard M. Nixon.

[nicknameless]

54. Deja vu

Deja vu

K&R

[MissWaverly]

55. yes it is, but let's skip the pardon part

let's have some justice with a side order of accountability, please.