I don't know about you all, but

[mitchtv]

I think the behavior of some advocates for certain candidates and "non candidates" tarnishes the image of their desired president, by the constant barrage of negativity towards other Democratic contenders. I find myself saying to myself "I'll never vote for your choice after that post" I call them 5th column Dems, you'll have to excuse my anger after witnessing what Dems did to Phil Angelides in Calif.
Who said " Make your words soft and sweet, for you may have to eat them someday"?

[patricia92243]

1. Link? So we know what you are talking about n/t

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[mitchtv]

3. Nah.. you see it everyday , all day

I won't point out other Dems- they know who they are
Hillary can't win, Edwards got a haircut, etc etc ad nauseum
for God's sake promote your candidate , don't trash the others, that's all I'm trying to say

[hippiechick]

5. Double Amen!

:applause:

[ClassWarrior]

11. Yup. I'm sure many of them will even post on this thread...

...feigning innocence. No matter. You're right to refuse to stoop to their level. And you said the key word: TRASH.

Criticism is great, knee-jerk trashing is plain wrong.

NGU.

[Tejanocrat]

4. Amen!

[old guy]

6. I have my favorite candidate for my own reasons

I will hesitate to trash any of the others. I still like Kucinich even though I know he will probably not win the nomination. I also know that at the end of the day, I will vote for the Democratic candidate because no matter who it turns to be they will be 1000 times better than any Repub on the ballot. No candidate is going to be the perfect candidate.

[Adelante]

7. Keep this in mind

Every single supporters group for a candidate or for a non-candidate has some number of members who do what you are objecting to. Every single one without exception. Even those who think they are the pure ones. "I'll never vote for your choice after that post" ultimately means you would have nobody left to vote for, if applied equably, including whoever is your own candidate. It is not advocates for "certain" candidates, but all candidates. Primaries just are this way. In order for mine to win, yours has to lose. It's the nature of the beast. Come the GE this all disappears.

[mitchtv]

8. true enough

but some are more vile than others

[Adelante]

15. Yes, I feel that, too

But it's not worth getting depressed over, because it only gets worse. Once the heat is on, the candidates themselves will be trashing each other, the supporters will be all bent out of shape and trashing their candidate's opponent who trashed their candidate, then the supporters will be bashing each other, and it will be very, very intense. That's the game. You're best off being pragmatic about it if you can. I don't really think it's possible to sustain such distance when there is so much passion flying around, but better for as long as you can than not. And remember it's all human beings in this, so you get what comes of it.

I hope you will feel better :hi:

[illinoisprogressive]

9. what supporters are doing this and what have they done. sorry, but, have not noticed much

I guess after hanging around mydd it seems people here are pretty nice about other candidates.
over there every candidate not Edwards get smashed.
brutal.

[dogman]

10. If there is a reason a candidate is not qualified, I want to know.

I can discern the facts and make my decision if they are relevant in making a choice. My chosen candidate may not make the finals and I like to know before I pick from the survivors. That is why I come to a Democratic discussion forum. If I know of a serious fault of one of the candidates, it is my duty to my Party and my Country to let others be aware so they can make a knowledgeable choice. If I only want propaganda, I will go to a candidates web site.

[ClassWarrior]

12. True enough. And if you want trash, you should go to Free Rape-Public.

Trashing and spite have nothing to do with relevant facts and reasonable discussion. That's the difference between what the OP's saying and what you are.

NGU.

[dogman]

17. Constant barrage of negativity means trashing and spite?

I did not know that. Thanks for interpreting for me. Who is the arbiter of relevancy and reasonableness?

[ClassWarrior]

18. In the Progressive worldview, we all are.

We're all our own arbiters of relevancy and reasonableness. We respect one another enough to be responsible for ourselves. And if I recall correctly, "constant barrage of negativity" is a registered trademark of the RNC, not the DNC.

NGU.

[dogman]

19. Where do I get the Progressive worldview hand book?

I've seen a lot of facts posted recently, that others call lies and smears. Others may need the handbook also. I don't go to Freep land so I'm not up to date on their buzz words. So, thanks again for the interpretation of the OP's words.

[ClassWarrior]

20. "Thinking Points," by George Lakoff and the Rockridge Institute.

It really spells out what we Progressives all carry around in our brains and hearts, but find so hard to elucidate. And it's only $10. You can get a copy at http://www.rockridgenation.org, or I'm sure your local independent bookseller can order it for you.

NGU.

[dogman]

21. Lakoff is interesting.

http://www.rockridgenation.org/
BTW your link didn't work.
I've heard him interviewed and been to his site. Thanks, again.

[ClassWarrior]

22. Thanks for correcting the link.

The post has been edited.

NGU.

[ClassWarrior]

24. .

[Cleita]

14. Me too, but some here would rather go into the election with blinders

on when it comes to their favorite candidates and they become really hostile if you pose questions about these matters. I have some serious questions about certain candidates, especially the senatorial ones, who have a voting record we can check on and I want to know where their campaign money is coming from. I want to know if payback will color their votes for certain issues. I'm really hot on health care and poverty issues as well as women's rights yet even if a candidate makes promises that sound good, I still want to know where he is likely to vote on these issues when push comes to shove.

[AtomicKitten]

16. case in point

something that was just starting to be discussed today was, um, stifled before it got interesting ... re: a subject that is as basic as tolerating different points of view in a contained environment sort of way versus everybody pull down their pants before the Rs do it first sort of way, but, oh, hmmmmm, never mind.

Must be fun working as a Mod at DU!!! :hi:

I think you are dead-on right. I would also like to discuss issues that are of infinitely more interest to me on many levels, but I'm one of those hotheads that digs in my heels with people getting stuck in either minutia or pursuing a glaring red herring, and you know what - maybe that's my obsession, eh?

Oh well. I will try harder to put out fires rather than start them.

Hey, so, if this guy, wins, how do we address him?

[AtomicKitten]

13. word

[WildEyedLiberal]

23. A- freakin - men

DU is not doing much to endear me to any candidate in the race. My favorite isn't running, and I remember which candidate's partisans trashed him the most. I won't be forgetting, either.

[AuntPatsy]

25. Well for better or worse, whoever gets the dem nomination gets my vote...