Impeach Already!!!! What more does Congress Need????

[Pierzin]

I usually don't start threads, but I just can't take it anymore.

I read a post by another DU member who got a response from his/her congress critter saying that he disapproved of Bush's policys. That's when I wrote this.

It is not enough that any congressmember "dissapproves" of the administrations policies. What the hell does that mean??? So your congress critter disapproves of the administrations policys??? But they will not investigate impeachment because _________. Oh pick a reason, it doesn't matter. We'll just sit on our hands for until Bush is out in 2009. I call BS on that, what say you DU'ers???

WTF?? Yeah, and a lot of dissidents in the Wiemar Republic "dissapproved" of Hitlers policies too, while that dictactor pushed through the Enabling Act. Yeah, that's great, guess what happened to them? Democrats need to scream from the freakin rafters for Impeachment already. What is wrong with this freaking country?
They LIED US INTO A WAR!!! They pissed all over the US Constitution and wiped their asses with it. Then they pushed through the Military Commissions Act, and suspended Habeaus Corpus. Habeaus Corpus!!!! Now the US Government can arrest any of us and hold us WITHOUT CAUSE INDEFINITELY!!!! So now you and I and anyone else who posts here on DU can be arrested.

They have violated the Geneva Conventions, they have violated the UN Charter, they have violated any shred of decency, at least in my mind that they are normal human beings. They are blood sucking vampiric ghouls. They have discredited the name of the USA and brought it to such a low level that I am ashamed to be an American. This cabal has got to go before the USA becomes a full on dictatoship, and Congress has got to get the balls, THE BALLS to stop this BS pandering and mandy pandy non action and turn this bus around. WTF Nancy Pelosi??? Speaker of the freakin House of Reps says Impeachment is off the table??? She is worthless.
ANYONE who knew they were lying about this war and did not speak out has blood on his hands. I don't mean you and me, DU members, what can we do besides write on this forum and hope the Gestapo doesn't come after us? What can we do besides write to our congress critters and tell them to impeach already? What can we do besides protest in the streets and hope the media and the nation might possibly respond somehow. we see wat little coverage protests get.

I know someone who was arrested and held for a few months. No explanation. Nothing. Oh sorry, here ya go, but by the way, you gotta wear this ankle bracelet until we tell you otherwise. And yes, members of DU, this happenned in the USA, to someone who has paid taxes for 15+ years, who has lived right next door to you and me, etc etc. What was his crime? He is Iranian. Yep. No foolin.
This kind of crap is intolerable!

What would the Founders do if they were here today? I mean, really, I'll bet King George would have been thrilled to jail leaders of the revolution without charges and for no reason, and yet that is what the GOP congress did. They are all of them to a person, these rat bastards pissing on the Constitution every day they wake up and take a leak for passing the Military Commissions Act.
ANYONE in a position of power, a senator or Representative, who knew they were delusional about this, and did not speak out to the media, that person, in my book, is a patsy, a pansy, a co-conspirator, a war profiteer, a criminal of the worst order. Don't tell me If I knew then what I know now, George Tenets of the world, that won't bring back all the innocents, all the children, all the fiances, all the family members, sisters, moms, aunts, brothers, fathers, uncles, friends, soccer teammates. Yeah, that means you if you were on the Senate Intelligence Committee and you were sworn to secrecy to not say anthing about THE FUCKING TRUTH. SCREW THEM!!! America is about Justice, not loyalty to some oath or whatever!! At least that was the America I was brought up to beleive in. I was told we held the standard of fairness for the world. We did not build secret prisons, we did not hold people years without a trial, we did not round up people because they were 'susected' of something and ship them around the world.
Thank God for Rep Jim McDermott, who went to Baghdad, and was pillaried in the Media for saying there were no WMDs! We can't go there! We should not invade that country! But he was only one man back then, in 2003.
Don't tell me, Senator Clinton, and Senator Edwards, that line of BS. I will not support ANYONE who lined up and voted to attack an unarmed country which in no way could have posed a threat to the US. I hope Peace Activists heckle those two like there is no tomorrow. It makes me want to puke. They are pig squeeze. Bat dung.

But let's not forget the role of the Media here. They should be held accountable too for the spin, the propaganda, the BS and the war drum beating.
Tweety Bird, and fatso on Meet the Press, and Anderson freaking CNN. Does anyone else work for that network? Jesus God he is always on there!!! Those other butt hungry whores who got caught with their hands between their legs when the tanks were rolling into Baghdad, they should all spend a month there, outside of the Green Zone, if they thought it was such a great idea. Oh let's spend a half hour talking about Senator Edwards haircut, shall we???
Everyone who was not speaking out against this atrocity, who had any shred of decency, who might have had some hope of salvation, some access to a freaking microphone or a newspaper reporter, should have spoken out. Only now are some of these rat bastards starting to say, OH gee maybe that wasn't a great idea. Only now, four years later, are they saying invading Iraq wasn't such a great idear. DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH! Bush 41 and all the upper crust brass in the Pentagon knew this would happen, this chaos and carnege would come to pass. And yet the Neo Cons said "We'll be greeted as Liberators! It will be just like the invasion of Normandy, they will throw flowers in the streets at the troops as they drive by!" Right.
The deception here has been so massive and unrelenting it would have made Joseph Goebels proud. And it is still going on! All of these rat bastards in the media who give any of the Repukers any credit at all should hang their heads in shame and resign, at the very least. That scene in Dangerous Liasons at the end, where Glenn Close is ridiculed out of the Opera in shame comes to mind for all the prima donnas.

Sorry for the rant, but honest to God, Congress, pull your heads out of your asses and impeach the whole corrupt lot of them. They are corrupt beyond anything Nixon could have dreamed in his wildest power-induced fantasies.

Jesus God in Heaven, the USA invaded another country, and is currently occupying it. That hasn't happened since 1939 when Hitler invaded Poland. "OH we cant leave because the result would be chaos. " Grandpa McCain has lost his freaking mind. What kind of man is he? What kind of man who went through what he went through could possibly in any way whatsoever support the * and his pukey policies?

And yet, Bushs approval is still 28%!!!!

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[elocs]

1. If, and when, Bush is impeached it will be "now".

Exactly what is the time frame on "now" because the "now" of today will be gone tomorrow and the "now" of this week will be gone next week? So "now" when it comes to impeachment is not a useful term since if Bush is impeached it will not be now, but when it happens it will be "now".

Nice rant. Although true, it has been said over and over, but at least you personally got it off your chest. So take your hot, hair on fire rant and if you actually believe in it then convince Congress to do something rather than just scream about it and them. That is how democracy works.

[Uncle Joe]

2. It's off to the greatest pages for you

Thanks for the thread Pierzin

Kicked and recommended

[Ninga]

3. For the past year, I drift into DU and read about how the topic of the day is going

to bring down the Bushie.........ain't happened..............ain't gonna happen..........been saying it for over a year that until citizens take to the streets in a meaninful way, stopping commerece traffic and business that no one no where no how will pay attention.

We can call, emai, fax and write until we are blue in the face and by the way, watch more killing and dying, and nothing changes.

The End.

[calimary]

8. Not necessarily true. Things HAVE changed. Things ARE changing.

IMPEACHMENT used to be absolutely verboten. Like a conceptual Lord Voldemort ("He Who Must Not Be Named") from the Harry Potter books. Time was when nobody even DARED bring it up in official circles. You just did NOT! Unpatriotic! Unamerican! Traitorous! Saddam-loving! Osama-enabling! Horrors! War on Terr!

Remember those days? They weren't all that long ago, either.

That's not the condition we are in now.

I just got a Zogby survey yesterday morning in which IMPEACHMENT was the first topic - and they devoted several questions to one's thoughts about the schmuck-in-chief. I've never seen that before. MoveOn.org just issued one, also. We now have a Congressman (Kucinich) who's not only broached the subject but introduced a bill in Congress. It has at least a couple of co-sponsors. There are IMPEACHMENT resolutions sprouting all over the country. More than, I believe it is, a dozen states have done so in at least one of their legislative bodies. In others, some of the local powers-that-be try to beat it down and it keeps coming back up. Another Congressman, John Murtha, now declares openly that he's hearing more and more from callers to his staff about IMPEACHMENT. Believe me, they ALL are. The floodwaters are RISING. It's becoming The Thing That Will Not Die. A fire that cannot be doused. A levee that doesn't stop leaking. Soon those trying to stop it will run out of fingers and toes and noses and whatever elses to stick into the holes to stop the leaking. This movement is not only not going away, it's gaining momentum. It's now become mainstream. It's in everyone's faces who's trying to stop or avoid or ignore it. For example, at the latest state Democratic Convention in San Diego, organizers set EVERY place at EVERY table at the big banquet with elegant cards printed with beautiful scrollwork that said "WE are the deciders. IMPEACHMENT IS ON THE TABLE." Nancy Pelosi was the guest of honor at that dinner. She's getting pounded. So are her lieutenants. So is everyone. Plus, I had one staffer in Henry Waxman's office tell me - when I called to urge him onward with his investigations and hearings to build a case for IMPEACHMENT - "that's what we're trying to do." The representatives are KEENLY aware of this. More painfully so every day. So are their staffers. So are their staffers' friends and relatives. So are the republi-CONS. It can't be hushed up, pushed down, sat on, or snuffed out any longer. A couple of years ago certainly. But not now.

And EVERY hearing that happens, EVERY new story in the Washington Post, EVERY fishy thing that turns up that seems somehow to route back directly to rove or cheney or elsewhere WITHIN the White House, EVERY additional American troop death reported in Iraq - EVERY ONE OF THESE THINGS WILL INCREASE THE MOMENTUM. And as the momentum increases, it gains speed and intensity and strength. It's alrady unstoppable. Soon it will run over those still trying to hold it back.

The floodwaters are rising. And bush and friends are the new New Orleans. WE are the new Katrina.

Which is why we CANNOT let up, or give up, now.

[Pierzin]

12. OMG!! thanks everybody. Write to them, call them, harrass them!!

Yes. It is true that most people are not aware what the impeachment process means.
I have written my congress critters, and all this bs means I must do it again.
Thank You Calimary for those phone numbers in your signature line. It will take work, but we need to do it while we still have a republic.

I am passing those numbers on, way to be!

[puebloknot]

14. Hope Springeth. Great New Orleans metaphors! :) nt

[stray cat]

4. How many republican senators would have to vote with the Dems?

I know a democratic majority of one is definitely not sufficient. Maybe it could be done in the house but thats just a slap on the wrist and didn't do the repubs any favors when they pulled it on Clinton.

[CK_John]

5. Major problem with DU, we don't understand the process or the meaning

of the term impeach and then we expect Joe six pack to get involved. Simple majority in the House to impeach. 2/3 votes in the Senate to convict and remove.

[dave_p]

6. The process is the point

They couldn't impeach Clinton because they had nothing on him that voters gave a damn about apart from a few far-right nuts.

There's plenty on Bush. And the very process is what will make the difference. By the time it's over voters will know the truth. And there's no guarantee that even Republican Senators won't be swayed by outraged constituents.

It's an indictment of not just one man, or two, but a corrupt, hijacked party machine. Millions of thus-liberated true Republicans may yet celebrate the occasion.

But if it isn't done, we never get the chance.

And it's not like Democrats have succeeded in reversing the ongoing damage by usual means.

[Bobbieo]

7. We do not have the majority in the Senate to Convict and Remove

It is as simple as that!!!!

[dave_p]

15. You certainly don't...

... if you don't make the case, issue the subpoenas and discredit them once & for all.

[Uncle Joe]

9. I agree, there is plenty of evidence for a trial or impeachment.

If after everything the Bush administration has done, should Congress not impeach, the bar will be set much lower for any future occupant of the Oval Office, and our national nightmare will only just be beginning.

[Thothmes]

19. Clinton

They did in fact impeach Clinton. The Senate trial did not convict him on the charges

[Vincardog]

11. Let them vote for the shrub. After full complete public hearings detailing all the lies and abuses

After the public sees the Gonzo memos allowing torture, and then sees the complete documentation of the abuse at Abu Grabe

After the details of all the AG firings for not prosecuting Democratic candidates

After the details of all the crone contracts are revealed

After the public sees how the White House is spying on them

After the public sees how the Misadmionistration has destroyed the VA

After the public sees how the Misadministration has destroyed the regulatory bodies

After the public sees how the Misadministration has allowed children in custody to be raped in front of their mothers

After all this is exposed LET ANY REPUBLICANT who wants to LAY DOWN WITH jr.

[wryter2000]

10. What do they need?

About 16 Senate Republicans willing to vote to remove him from office (assuming we have Lieberman -- ha!). Even if he's impeached in the House, if he isn't removed, he wins. He's in deep do-do now and sinking fast. I don't want to hand him a victory.

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. What more does Congress need??? A BLOW JOB on National TEEVEE, CERTIFIED by

the National Prostitution Blow Job Club and 50 witnesses present in the room so there would be no doubt it really happened. THEN they may Impeach, but I'm not promising anything with this bunch in Congress.

EXCELLENT Rant, BTW! K&R!

[Senator]

16. But, but ... we're busy "ratcheting up the pressure"

That's the euphemism of the week for effectile dysfunction (Congressional IM-PO-TENCE).

But nobody seems to be able to demonstrate who's being pressured to do what. It can't be bush/cheney/rove. They're still chuckling at the oldest joke in DC: "Gosh, for a minute there I thought they might actually DO something."

Still, there are several ways impeachment (the ONLY DOING) could get started.

The simple reality of the situation could sink in at any time. They've already experienced the "100 hours of futility," felt the sting of the "Funding-Cut Hoax", and are barely keeping their mouths above the surface of the quagmire that is Iraq policy. All without significant improvement in their electoral prospects since they were given the mandate to confront and combat the national shame that is the bushcheney regime.

Perhaps these repetitive acts of doing the same (old) thing, expecting different results, will reveal itself to them as the definition of insanity that it truly is.

Perhaps the reality of the prosecutorial thugs -- criminally inserted into US Atty offices -- ready, willing, and able to engineer a third massive election theft will be the smelling salts.

Or perhaps it will take the challenges in their primaries that are sure to come from "outsiders" -- emboldened by the Lamont example -- who realize that the only substantive, lasting objective is recogntion of reality, and retribution. Only after which, the other niceties, like reconciliation and unity can be discussed.

It could happen at any time. Impeachment is ripe and could even fall of its own weight. And along with it comes the prospect of troops home for Xmas, a closed and empty Gitmo compound, a re-engagement of our former allies in fighting terrorism, a new confidence in our election results, a reason for hope in the face of both fiscal and natural catastrophes, and a generational advantage for the Democrats as the party of principled, reality-based, actions and results.

None of which we can reasonably expect from "politics as usual."

Only Impeachment ... is that real panacea.

It IS our positive agenda.

It is our ONLY moral, patriotic option.

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[sasha031]

17. I called Barney Frank's office the other day

The dimwit on the phone said do you know how hard it is to impeach? She told me she would pass the message over to Franks.

Now I'll get a letter as always, saying why they can't...why are Dem's such scardy pants? with the ection of a great few. Are they afraid the repukes will yell at them and not like them?

I often think of the courage of the French, they won't put up with any bullshit from anyone. They never forgot why they went to war in the first place. In this country it wasn't about freedom, it was about not losing the south. And the elite's have been pitting each and one of us against each other, so they could sit on their porches and drink their mint juleps. Some things never change.

ps, and Barney is one of the good liberals, maybe it's some of his staff

[ToeBot]

18. They need an administration insider to come forward and spill their guts...

preferably several insiders. Why do you think they value loyalty above all else?