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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 08:46 PM
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Hillary's Image Problem: 51% unfavorable, 45% favorable view of her and falling fast
==Hillary's Image Problem

A new Gallup poll shows Sen. Hillary Clinton's approval rating in the net negative territory, with 45% having a positive view and 51% having a negative view. This has dropped dramatically from the start of the year when her favorability rating was 58% positive/40% negative.

From the survey data, "it's clear that people who have a positive opinion of Clinton talk about her personal characteristics more than anything else. In particular, it seems that many of those who like Clinton admire her because of her fighting spirit in responding to the many travails and challenges of her life."

In contrast, people who dislike Clinton "say a number of things when asked what they don't admire about her -- split to a degree between mentions that deal with her personal characteristics and those that deal with her positions on the issues."==

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2007/05/04/hillarys_image_problem.html
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 08:53 PM
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1. She is still number one in my book.
You go girl!
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 08:57 PM
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2. Hillary is not popular among rank & file Dems.
She won't win any primaries. She just won't. She is seen as too far right, too corporatist, weak on opposition to the war, a DLC Republican-Lite, and a triangulating opportunist. The hard-core Dems I know really don't like her, and they will not vote for her in a primary. I can't think of a single activist Dem in my circle of acquaintances--and that circle includes the active party members in 4 or 5 counties--who has any interest in her as a candidate.

It is high time for a woman President in America. Unfortunately, that woman is not Hillary.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 09:00 PM
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4. She'll win New Hampshire
But I don't think it'll be enough of a jumpstart, especially after Edwards kills her in Iowa.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 09:03 PM
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6. no, she isn't popular among the netroots. There IS a difference
It is the rank and file Dems that keep her high in the polls.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 09:08 PM
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7. Rank & file voters, maybe but not grassroots Dems.
I bet if I were to poll a typical meeting of my county party, there wouldn't be 3 out of 50 Hillary first-choices. I really think there would be none, but say 3 to be on the conservative (no pun intended) side.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 09:36 PM
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19. funny, I poll my county party every quarter, and Clinton is always 1, 2, or 3
Edited on Fri May-04-07 09:38 PM by wyldwolf
..and polling consistantly shows rank and file Dems with differing opinion than those expressed by the "netroots."
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 08:21 AM
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54. I'll have to try that. I'm chairing the next meeting.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 09:51 PM
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94. Your results will be "anecdotal".
I know people who wont vote for Hillary,but saying so is just "anecdotal".Others know people who WILL vote for Hillary.That is hard "truth".
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 09:18 PM
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10. Or apparently with swing voters
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 09:21 PM
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12. In NJ a lot of women I speak to grimace at the thought of Hillary and
flat out state that they will not vote for her. These are suburban soccer moms.
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jcrew2001 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 09:27 PM
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17. The Goldwater Girl triangulates to victory!
yay, haha
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 11:19 AM
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68. Actually I'm afraid she will.
Although, thankfully, we have a long ways to go before the primaries - right now, she polls very high in NY (my state)- she appears to know the right people, because no one I know wants her to win. I know people working for Edwards, and I know people working for Obama, but I don't know one single person who is working for Hillary, or who is the slightest bit enthusiastic about her.

I just hope her numbers continue to go down, because, although I would vote for Hillary if she were the nominee, I don't think she can win the general. She would be the best get-out-the-vote candidate the republics ever had. I think you're correct in saying hard-core dems won't vote for her, but I think hard-core dems are in the minority - I hope I'm wrong.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 08:59 PM
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3. This is a great position for her. It's always better to be looking up than down
It's just the way she's planning it, timing her comeback in popularity to reach an all-time high just in time for the election. All the Hillary haters are going to hold you personally responsible for jinxing things when Hillary does a huge about face...HA!
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 09:02 PM
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5. Except on the poll the Hillary haters claim to be the most accurate
Currently, 50% view the former First Lady favorably and 49% have an unfavorable view.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008_clinton_ties_giuliani_45_to_45
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 09:10 PM
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8. Where is the poll proving that they find Rasmussen most accurate?
Edited on Fri May-04-07 09:11 PM by Hart2008
49% unfavorable is still a wee bit high, isn't it?
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 09:19 PM
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11. 49% unfavorable is great for HRC according to even a HRC supporter
That says it all...
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 09:23 PM
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14. Who would that be?
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 09:25 PM
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15. 49% unfavorable = Kool-Aide '08!
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 09:26 PM
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16. Ridiculous. I just pointed out a poll discrepancy from the one called "most accurate" here
Edited on Fri May-04-07 09:28 PM by wyldwolf
What's the matter? Can't stand your poll is disputed by the one "progressives" claim is most accurate?
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 09:41 PM
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21. .
Edited on Fri May-04-07 09:44 PM by Hart2008
oops! wrong reply!
disregard.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 09:47 PM
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24. that point was never disputed...
...she's also the best known in the field. As candidates become well known, their negatives tend to rise. McCain’s numbers have fallen recently. The Arizona Senator is now viewed favorably by 49%, unfavorably by 43%. In December, 59% viewed him favorably.

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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 12:32 AM
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36. Edwards had 94% name ID just a few months ago
Giuliani and McCain also have name ID that is similar to HRC. McCain has dropped substantially like HRC, although that is due to his zealous support of the escalation. HRC is simply wilting under increased scrutiny. There has been a consistent trend with HRC over the years. As the public sees more of her, the less they like her. When she became a senator her favorables/unfavorables fell from what they were when she was First Lady; when she became a candidate for president she fell even further. Imagine what kind of drop will occur when she faces the intense scrutiny a major party's nominee for president does...
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 07:55 AM
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50. ...and he's currently running #3
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 02:11 PM
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75. Ever heard of a little thing called margin of error?
These two polls are statistically basically the same.

Even these numbers here certainly aren't too great.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 09:22 PM
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13. Oh, I have no idea. Just when the Rasmussen poll showed Obama ahead for the first time last week...
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 09:43 PM
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22. The point remains Hillary has the highest negatives in the field by any poll. n/t
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 09:48 PM
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26. That point was never disputed
...she's also the best known in the field. As candidates become well known, their negatives tend to rise. McCain’s numbers have fallen recently. The Arizona Senator is now viewed favorably by 49%, unfavorably by 43%. In December, 59% viewed him favorably.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 09:12 PM
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9. Say that Bill Richardson becomes our nominee.
You voting for him? I am.

Same for Senator Clinton and all other Democrats save for perhaps Zell Miller. Defeating Republicans should hold primacy.

Support all our candidates in whatever degree you can fairly muster.

They're our teammates.

If they're blue, they'll do.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 09:35 PM
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18. Yup. Fight to the death in the primary, then support the winner.
I am not expecting a candidate without warts. I'm not looking for someone to worship and adore. I want a competent, diplomatic administrator who knows how to work with people to get things done. And I want a congress that will watch every move like a hawk.

The next president walks into office with all Bush's power intact, if we don't impeach. That would corrupt anyone.

I like Jimmy Breslin's summation: "Nobody ever reaches the Presidency in a state of grace."
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 09:47 PM
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25. Breslin's tactically correct but without that poetry, that grace, that
Edited on Fri May-04-07 09:48 PM by Old Crusoe
reach into higher realms, there's no lift.

Robert Kennedy was a white-knuckled in-your-face politician who despite his diminutive skeleton could take it to the big boys.

But his legacy is the lift he gave the unheard and untouched.

To steal from Kathleen Spivak, without magic one remains a toad.

We can play hard, but we need to play clean and smart, and the poetry has to lift all boats.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 09:39 PM
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20. A MSM article recently suggested she was popular amongst repubs.
I wonder why? (seriously)
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 09:46 PM
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23. She's pretty popular amongst corporate CEOs
Perhaps that is skewing the numbers?
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 10:08 PM
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27. She is in a no-win situation
I'd like to hear about the 10 Republican candidates spoken about in the same way as Hillary....she can do no right it seems....

flame away...
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 10:29 PM
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28. Hillary by far is our strongest and best candidate overall in the polls..
Q A few questions now about the next election. If there were an election for President of the United States today, and the only two...were Guilaini and Clinton


05/02/07

Giuliani vs Clinton

Clinton 48%

Giuliani 45%




Giuliani vs Obama

Obama 40%

Giuliani 51%



http://www.surveyusa.com/electionpolls.aspx



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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 12:36 AM
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37. That is demonstrably false. Edwards does even better than HRC in that poll
It is demonstrably false that HRC is our strongest candidate in the polls. Edwards consistently is the best.

As far as Obama goes, virtually every general election poll shows him to be stronger than HRC with a few exceptions such as SurveyUSA. As of right now it is also clear that Obama would fare better in a general election than HRC.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 07:54 AM
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 09:27 AM
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59. All indications are that Hillary is fading.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 11:32 AM
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69. No prob. If Hillary's fading then Obama will take over. Don't count Kucinich out yet either.
People are starting to listen to him and realizing that DK hits hard with the truth.

Just the same, the Goddess of Peace is right where she wants to be. When your at the top like she is, the only direction you can go is down. She'll drop somewhat more, and then she'll make her move. It's gonna be a battle and may the best one win.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 11:58 AM
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74. If it's "demonstrably false"
Then demonstrate it.
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Taco Meat Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 10:49 PM
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29. That is surprising, at least to me.
I have always heard (pretty well known) that Hillary was seen as a polarizing figure, but 50%? That's pretty hard to believe.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 11:04 PM
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30. Only if you believe the hate generated by the Kerry Camp.. here
against Hillary- in reviewing the survey, overall Hillary's popularity is increasing exponentially across the country.

And will only grow, now that the country has witnessed what the Republicans are offering up as their potential nominees.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 11:11 PM
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31. Just to add - John Kerry himself must be working behind the scenes against Hillary..
to allow his name used and associated with the Hillary Hating surrogates on DU.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 12:38 AM
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39. There is no evidence to support that propaganda piece
The polls clearly show a steady decline in her unfavorable/favorable rating.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 07:57 AM
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51. Wow...you really hate that Kerry dude,huh?
I'll pass it on to him when he hands me my "Hillary-Hater" check next Friday.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 08:24 AM
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55. I don't hate anyone Forky...But the Hate Hillary crowd have a leader..
and it looks like it's none other than John Kerry.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 09:53 AM
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60. Well,he isn't leading me.
I don't need anyone to make me dislike Hillary.She does a great job of that on her own.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 11:39 AM
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70. "I don't need anyone to make me dislike Hillary"
Yeah but people like draftcoumo like to give the hatred an extra boost along, if you know what I mean, considering thats all they do is try to get everyone else to hate someone like Hillary, as if people can't make up their own minds or something.

The real Mario Cuomo would just sit there in disbelief, shaking his head, if he ever new some pukeagandist was using his name in a hate-inspired agenda against a fellow Democrat like what scrubnuts is doing in thread after thread here.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 11:54 AM
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73. He has every right to post what he does.
Just as the Hillary supporters have every right to do the same.

I could go through this forum and find 20 threads on page 1 alone that I think are useless,but that's not up to me to decide (nor would I want it to be).There's anti-Obama stuff,anti-Edwards stuff,anti-Hillary stuff,and anti-everyone else stuff.Some is justified and some isn't.

as if people can't make up their own minds or something.

Having all the available info,good or bad,helps people make up their minds better,though they may not reach a conclusion others are happy with.There is no way people make well-informed decisions with LESS info.

And I've said this before,but I'll say it again.I learn much more about a candidate by how they respond to this kind of thing then I ever will from some star-struck supporter with blinders on telling me to just believe them that their candidate is the shit.I'd rather be able to read through this and decide for myself,thanks all the same.

As for what the real Cuomo would think...why do you think I chose a name like Forkboy? No one can say,"that's not what the real Forkboy would say". :D
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 05:28 PM
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77. Damn right, Forky!
Man am I glad to see your not going to let como make up your mind for you! I was worried all the spinnorama might influence you...NOT.

As for what the real Cuomo would think...why do you think I chose a name like Forkboy? No one can say,"that's not what the real Forkboy would say".


If you don't mind, what's the significance of your handle? Something to do with a pitchfork, as in haying? Or maybe something to do with the actual silverware utensil? Just curious :)

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 07:40 PM
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81. Nothing more than the name of a song by the band Lard.
Edited on Sat May-05-07 08:18 PM by Forkboy
It's what I was listening to when I signed up.

on edit - Be glad,Sylvestre Matuschka was the other option;

http://www.metrolyrics.com/lyrics/64998/Lard/Sylvestre_Matuschka
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 08:19 AM
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84. Cool
I'm glad you chose Forkboy instead of Slvestre Matushchka. LOL!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 09:53 PM
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95. I never would have remembered how to spell it anyways.
I would have had to bust out the damn CD every time I logged on. :)
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 10:39 AM
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64. I'm not in the Kerry camp.
I'm not now, and never have been, a fan of John Kerry, although I gave him a resentful vote in the general election in '04.

I am not a fan of Hillary, and have yet to meet anyone in person who is actually planning to cast a vote for her in the primaries. Many, and I'm one of them, won't cast a vote for her in the general election, either.

It's not a matter of "hate." I don't hate Hillary. I just won't participate in putting someone into office I don't think will work for me.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 11:02 AM
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66. Is draft_mario_cuomo a Kerry supporter?
In any case, nobody on DU speaks for John Kerry; he speaks for himself.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 11:42 AM
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 12:06 AM
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96. Hmm, I Was Once A Hillary Fan
But I would not vote for either Hillary or Kerry give a choice of someone who didn't sell out. As of the moment, I have that choice and am basking in it.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 12:37 AM
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38. It is rapidly rising. She was +18 in about Feb. Now she is -6 in favorables/unfavorables
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 12:41 AM
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 12:46 AM
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42. Maybe you should read posts before commenting on them?
Read the OP.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 07:58 AM
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52. Keep dreaming cuomo. Hillary might lose out to Obama but she'll never lose out to Edwards
Edwards would be better than any Republican choices but your dreaming if you honestly think he has a chance to beat Obama or Clinton. I don't care if his favorite person he looks up to is "My Lord" (corniest answer of the debate, btw) because Jesus, Joseph, and Mary aren't going to be enough to get him through this. The way Edwards popularity is dropping and Kucinich's is rising, I wouldn't be surprised if Kucinich takes over Edwards spot in all the polls by year's end.
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Jack Sprat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 11:35 PM
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32. Clinton fatigue setting in.
After NAFTA with Bill, I feel no affinity for the Clintons. Between the 2 of them, I am tired of the name.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 11:53 PM
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33. Well the Labor Unions Love her! and so do we..
I'm not tired of supporting a WINNER!
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 11:57 PM
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34. I think if Al Gore doesn't run she'll be President
I think she could do the job well.

However, I think I prefer candidates who are not 'weather vanes' and have some conviction like Dennis K.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 12:22 AM
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35. Texas Straw Poll sees her as huge frontrunner..
The Tarrant County (Texas) Democratic Party held a beans and cornbread straw poll
fundraiser last Thursday during the South Carolina Democratic Presidential debate.

If Tarrant County Democrats were the sole deciders of the election
Senator Hillary Clinton, D-NY, would be our nominee with 53.8% of the vote.


53.8% Senator Hillary Clinton
16.8% former Senator John Edwards
11.7% Senator Barack Obama
5.2% Governor Bill Richardson
4.5% former Vice President AlGore
2.6% former Senator Mike Gravel
2.6% Senator Joe Biden
1.3% Representative Dennis Kucinich
0.6% Senator Chris Dodd
0.6% Ret. Gen. Wes Clark

http://www.burntorangereport.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3328
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 12:43 AM
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41. Isn't it amazing how
as soon as some poll comes out that has anything negative about HRC those that support Edwards or Obama can post here with the speed of light. This campaign is for her to lose. She is the front runner and will be the front runner all this year. Of course there will be a poll here or there that says she is trailing Obama but then look again as she will be within that margain of error, but if you look close at all the polls throughout the u. s HRC is leading in 80% of them and this is state by state.

One other thing I need to write....If HRC does not win the nomination, I am not going to take my sandbox toys and be all upset and go home. No, I will do what i can to get the nominee elected as the 44th president. I hope others from opposing camps will say that.....

I do thank you...
BD
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 12:48 AM
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43. We want to win. HRC can't win as this and many other polls show
If this trend continues she will soon have her favorable rating dip into the 30's. It is insane to think a candidate whose favorables are in the 30's can win. Her favorables could fall to Cheney levels and the HRC/DLC contigent would still be willing to lead us into the iceberg. It is sad the DLC is so obsessed with controlling the party that they are willing to cede the White House to the Republicans for four years just so they can win an intra-party battle.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 12:51 AM
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44. Do you know how many more months we have to go?
Edited on Sat May-05-07 12:52 AM by ElizabethDC
Sure, her favorables *could* fall to those levels, but don't you think that if they did, she wouldn't get the nomination? It's wayyy too early to say that Hillary or anybody else can't win this.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 12:57 AM
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45. The DLC wouldn't care if her favorables were at 25%
I doubt her favorables will ever sink that low but it would not be surprising if they fell into the 30's. She has fallen from 58% to 45% in about two months and is only six points from the 30's and the campaign season has barely begun. Most people are still not following the race.

Could she win the nomination with a 37% favorable rating? Yes. Right now there are two strong Democratic candidates splitting the anti-HRC/anti-DLC vote. HRC's favorables also remain strong among Democrats, although even there they are falling rapidly. She could very likely win with a 37% overall favorable rating as long as she retains a solid favorable rating among Democrats (her problem is with swing voters and independents. Her favorables have fallen the fastest with independents with the decline being the least among Republicans) and Edwards and Obama split the anti-HRC/anti-DLC vote. No one seriously doubts her ability to win the nomination. The question is whether she can win the general election. Is a vote for HRC a vote for President Giuliani or President Thompson? Let's see if she turns this around but the trend is very ominous. I hope we are smart. I hope we are not naive enough to nominate a candidate if his or her favorables are in the 30's...
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 01:09 AM
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46. Post #28 with a reliable poll taken 2 days ago...says you're wrong and it's in the general..
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 07:21 AM
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47. You shouldn't post things like that!
It confuses the hell out of the Opposition. Isn't it a crying shame I have yo use a word like Opposition here about a Democrat?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 07:51 AM
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48. Hillary has NEVER lost an election...
It's becoming abundantly clear, Kerry and his crats are trying to submarine Hillary's campaign anyway they can.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 07:58 AM
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53. How many elections has she been in?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 08:43 AM
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56. Take your time..
Don't forget Forkster we have a side bet going..:hi:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_Clinton

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 09:55 AM
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61. I don't think we ever agreed on a bet.
But if Hillary wins I'll write something nice about her and you,and explain how silly I've been to doubt the Goddess of Peace. :)
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 10:24 AM
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62. Change the "IF" to a "When" and you have a deal ; )
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 10:32 AM
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63. I don't even know what my side of the bet is.
But I'll take it.

(Actually,if Hillary loses you get to write about what nice a guy I am,with dashing good looks,a winning personality,and enough charm to win over a rabid pitbull.I don't want you to have to lie.) :silly:
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 10:45 AM
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65. If we're still in negotiations.. I don't want to lie either..
amend the 'pit bull' to Jack Russell Terrier...and a <cyber shake> and it's a done deal!
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 11:32 AM
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98. LOL. And pigs could grow wings and take flight? Or maybe even Edwards could crack 20%?
Stranger things have happened.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 11:33 AM
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99. LOL. And pigs could grow wings and take flight? Or maybe even Edwards could crack 20%?
Stranger things have happened.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 08:49 AM
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57. Yep. Most polls shows Clinton as a weak gen elec candidate
but a strong primary candidate.

Quite a bad combo for anyone who wants a Dem president in 08.

I'll vote for the Dem nominee, but I sure hope it isn't Hillary.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 09:25 AM
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58. Great!! Since you are so scared of Hillary, will you move your support..
to Obama if it's apparent that Obama and Edwards support will give her the nomination and Edwards is still in the teens?
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 11:16 AM
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67. I think we as Democratic voters would be very short-sighted not to consider information like this
when casting our vote for a nominee. We all should make an effort at least to look beyond who we may like the best, and think about who has the best chance against the Republican nominee. There is no need to short-change our values in the process, it just means being a little more clear-headed and understanding the stakes involved.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 11:49 AM
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72. I am in full and total agreement, calteacherguy. I do not believe that Hillary is capable of winning
the general election. I don't think Obama is either.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 02:19 PM
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76. Does Obama have high disapproval ratings as well?
I wasn't aware of that.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 12:09 AM
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82. I've never read high negatives for him.. then again, I don't tend to follow polls this early..

Even the ones that rate negatives/positives..

I listen to the polls that show Bush continuing to sink daily.. .. but polls about our candidates..

I dunno.. .. I think it's just too early.

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iconocrastic Donating Member (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 05:42 PM
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78. She likes to fight - that's her nature - but she fights for opportunity not principle
And it's always someboody else's fault. So she will never be peace with herself.

"it seems that many of those who like Clinton admire her because of her fighting spirit in responding to the many travails and challenges of her life."
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 07:01 PM
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79. The more we can chip away at that facade of Hillary, the more likelily that voters will reject her
Being on the gunsights of both the Left and the Right, Hillary is the most vulnerable of all the Democrats running for President.

Remember, it is not called "swiftboating" when the charges are true!

Bill Clinton began his political climb by running for Arkansas Attorney General campaigning on a pledge to fight Entergy’s electric price hikes. His pro-consumer plan was defeated in court by Entergy’s law firm - which included one Hillary Rodham.

There were more favors for Entergy. In 1998, I discovered, while working under cover for the Guardian and Observer, that Tony Blair was personally fixing the system to let Entergy to violate British policy on coal plants. Why? I picked up in my secret recordings of Blair’s cronies that calls to take care of Entergy, rules be damned, had come in from the office of ‘the Flotus’ - the First Lady of the United States.

It gets creepier. In June of 1994, Entergy’s partner in Asia, the Riady family of Indonesia paid recently-resigned Associate Attorney General Webster Hubbell a $100,000 consulting fee. Odd that: Hubbell was on his way to prison for the felony crime of inflating his legal bills. Why would Asians pay a lawyer for advice on Asia who was on his way to the pokey?

Maybe it had to do with his partner in crime. I’ve conducted investigations of lawyer over-billing. It is nearly impossible for a senior lawyer to pad billing records unless the junior partner also fraudulently monkeys with time logs to make sure the records don’t give away the game. Who was Hubbell’s “little lady” junior partner? Today we call her Madame Senator.

<snip>

Code Pink and New York environmentalists have been pulling out their hair over Senator Clinton’s backing of the operation of the creaky old Indian Point nuclear plant just above - and within irradiating distance of - New York City. The owner of the Indian Point nuke? Hillary’s old buck buddies, Entergy.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/05/04/967/
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 10:11 AM
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88. So you won't deny the substance of Greg Palast's article about Hillary
preferring to engage in the Rovian/Carville tactic of ad hominen attacks. How pathetic! :-(

This is more proof of why Hillary is wrong for America. We must prevent people like some of her supporters from getting the reins of power for they will be intoxicated by it, just as the Bushbots were.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 07:21 PM
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80. I read on Solid Politics she has problems in head to heads.
They say the stongest against the gop is Obama. In polling.
But, Hillary knew going in she had really high negatives and had to address this problem eventually. I see her main problems as her negatives, no excitement for her campaign, People want an end to the Bush Clinton dynasty, era.
When I see her she sounds like yesterdays politics. No new ideas or force. It just is so deja vu.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 08:28 AM
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86. CNN reported today that any one of Clinton, Edwards or Obama will beat any Repuke head on head now
according to latest polls. It was on that little ticker tape news thing on the bottom of their screen.
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sonroadera Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 08:42 AM
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87. Hillary does worse than Edwards in most of the polls I have seen
and more often than not, she does worse than Obama.

She often wins, but the margin is usually smaller than the other candidates.

That makes me nervous.
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 03:35 AM
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83. I'm confused. The # 1 Reason she is disliked, Her political views and liberal positions
Edited on Sun May-06-07 03:41 AM by Alamom
on the issues




liberal positions on the issues :shrug:




Makes you wonder.. "Who are they calling, who are these 1007 people?"
Do voting democrats normally respond with, "This candidate is "too" liberal."





Interesting what you can find if you go past the initial paragraph and read the links defining the poll.


In summary, the top five reasons given by those who have a positive opinion of Clinton are:

1. Her strength and stamina

2. Her intelligence

3. Admiration for her campaign for president

4. Her political career and leadership

5. (tie) Her knowledge

5. (tie) Her political career and leadership




In rank order, the top five things people with negative views about Clinton don't admire about her are:

1. Her political views and liberal positions on the issues


2. They generally don't trust her.

3. (tie) They think she is an opportunist.

3. (tie) They think she is too wishy-washy, flip-flopping on the issues.

5. Past history of the Clinton scandals



http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=27460



Results for this panel study are based on telephone interviews with 1,007 national adults, aged 18 and older, conducted April 23-26, 2007.










Respondents were drawn from Gallup's nationally representative household panel, which was originally recruited through random selection methods. For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the margin of sampling error is ±4 percentage points.
In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.



edgr



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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 10:20 AM
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89. First use of nuclear weapons is NOT a liberal position!!!!
Hillary has put all options on the table on Iran, just as Bush has done with to the cheers of AIPAC. Sy Hersh revealed that the US was planning to use atomic bunker busting bombs on Iran, on a massive bombing campaign. Any candidate that will embrace the first use of nuclear weapons is not a liberal, and is an enabler of genocide!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 10:32 AM
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90. The poll questions are contrived-
and deliberately skewed narrowing the scope of possible answers.

The minute you see the operative floating the OP, thats your first tip-off!
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 12:37 PM
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91. could Hillary Clinton win in November?
this is a question we should at least consider, especially if she has an excellent chance of being nominated! if we only say no, this could mean disaster in November.

If someone can talk about family values, it is Hillary Clinton. She stuck with Bill Clinton through good and bad times and put her family above her personal politics. She can win New York, even with Giuliano on the ticket. and this would provide an excellent contrast on the morals of these two candidates. Bill Clinton could actively participate, being her keynote speaker at the convention and appearing on the campaign trail or in campaign ads where she is weakest.

picking the right nominee would make a significant difference in whether or not Hillary can win. Putting another woman on the ticket would probably provide a solid base of support, allowing Bill to focus most on the swing voters. Three examples include Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas, Janet Napolitano of Arizona, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, and Kathleen Sebeluis of Kansas. none of these choices would reduce our numbers in Congress. even while some white southern men may be laughing, the women they are married to will not. Some other possible running mates that could help Hillary include Bill Richardson, Bill Ritter of Colorado, Sherrod Brown of Ohio, and Jim Webb of Virginia.

it would be an uphill battle if Hillary was nominated, but that would give us a reason to only fight harder.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 09:39 PM
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93. Being in an abusive relationship, or having to enable a philanderer is not a family value!
There are millions of men and women in abusive relationships, relationships in which the violence is emotional rather than physical. There are millions more who live with an unfaithful partner. To extol people that choose to remain in those relationships is rather misguided.

I don't know why Hillary chose to remain married to Bill instead of divorcing the bum, but the fact that she chose to remain married is her business, but it doesn't make it something for us to compliment her on.
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 01:18 AM
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97. I disagree..
Hillary clearly stayed with Bill because she loved him and her daughter. if that isn't an example of family values then what is, running out on your family and choosing not to work things out?
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 01:03 PM
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92. Her support is a m ile wide and an inch deep
her first gaffe (everybnody will have one) will be her undoing.
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