Edwards: "Are you ready to end this war? Then act now." Tell Congress; Stand Up to Bush,

[robinlynne]

End The War!
This just came from the Edwards campaign:


In the last 48 hours both houses of Congress passed a bill to end the war by funding the troops with a clear timeline to bring them home. Bush's inevitable veto will probably happen in less than 4 days.
Everything depends on what Congress does next. Many in Washington think it's time to give in. We made our point, they argue, and now we should just give Bush another blank check to extend his war.

No. This Congress was not elected to make points—it was elected to end the war. When Bush vetoes, Congress must pass another spending bill just like this one, that funds the troops and brings them home. And they should do it again. And again. Until we end this war.

We've got about 96 hours to flood Washington with the names and comments of constituents calling on Congress to stand firm. We're aiming to deliver 100,000 names and comments from all over the country before Congress decides its next move.

We are not spectators in all of this. Our voice has real power. Please use yours today:

www.johnedwards.com/action/sign-petitions/standfirm

There is more, but I know there is a 4 paragraph rule, so go to the link, and sign on!

[Clarkie1]

1. And where was your courage, John, in 2003?

I know your intention is to hurt Senators running who are still actually IN the Senate, but do you really think you have any credibility on issues of war and peace? You don't.

[ClassWarrior]

38. You'd rather have a president who's "resolute," whether he's right or wrong?

Guess what? You already have one. How's that working out?

NGU.

[rodeodance]

2. I will help you Edwards. Hope you get a million----for starters:_)

[rodeodance]

3. REC. This is an imp. ------needs a few more RECOMMENDS please.

[Clarkie1]

4. Any informed citizen knows how to contact their representatives.

They don't need to Edwards campaign to help them. I have real doubts Edwards would be so gung-ho if he had managed to stay in the Senate, and if there's one thing I hate it's hypocrisy.

[w4rma]

5. It sounds to me like you're more interested in your personal vendetta than doing anything productive

to shorten this war or lessen it's impact, "Clarkie1".

[Clarkie1]

7. No, I just chose not to play into Edwards game. nt

[MethuenProgressive]

9. signing your name to an email petition is "doing something productive"?

It's like DUing a poll. Fun, but pointless.

[rodeodance]

23. I feel like I am supporting his/get out of Iraq CAUSE!

[MethuenProgressive]

6. just another email address harvesting gimmick from Edwards

Email petitions are generally ignored anyone with more than 5th grader's understanding of spam.

[Clarkie1]

8. Yep. nt

[Catchawave]

10. Really !?

Visit StopIranWar.com today and sign the petition to President Bush. War is not the answer.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gen-wesley-clark/stopiranwarcom_b_41752.html

:spank:

[w4rma]

11. All petitions are address harvesting gimmicks now according to certain Obama supporters. (nt)

[Catchawave]

13. Somebody better tell Obama then:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/onesig

:rofl:

[w4rma]

20. lol, wait until they find out that Obama has an "email address harvesting gimmick", too.

:rofl:

[Clarkie1]

15. Wes Clark is not running for President.

He's too busy supporting veterans, fellow Democrats, the DCCC, and trying to stop the next war.

Stopiranwar.com is run by Iraq and Afghanistan veterans through votevets.org. Another campaign Clark is leading, to encourage Bush not to veto the Democratic plan for Iraq, is supported by the DCCC. Perhaps you would like to sign it:

http://www.dccc.org/action_center/petitions_oi/clark_no_veto

[Catchawave]

18. It's a PETITION, still an email harvest for donations, no matter

what group/canidate you're supporting.

[ClassWarrior]

34. I received it via email - so why would they need my email?

:crazy:

NGU.

[ClassWarrior]

39. No answer?...

NGU.

[MethuenProgressive]

40. And some who got the email posted it *here* so others would go sign it....

... and there's usually a space on thos ethings to "share" it with 5-6 friends, if you'd just please type in their names and email addresses. They're using your 'seed' address to harvest more addys.
It's a gimmick. Not evil, just a gimmick.

[Catchawave]

41. To forward it to all your friends :) n/t

[JohnLocke]

12. ...

:eyes:

[Clark2008]

14. Then why the hell did you vote for it and co-sponsor it, Edwards?

:eyes:

[Catchawave]

19. Meow. n/t

[JohnLocke]

16. Wow, the insane anti-Edwards attack squad is sure out today...

...

[BlueStater]

17. Ignore them

The fact that they're seeking out Edwards posts to bash the man reduces them to mere trolls.

[rodeodance]

24. the attach squad comes out now and then (as it does for Sen. Clinton)

[rodeodance]

21. k

[rodeodance]

22. k

[MethuenProgressive]

25. All candidates use this gimmick - perhaps it's time for the naive to wise up?

It's silly to squeal that pointing it out is somehow anti-thisguy or pro-thatguy.
As I typed eariler, the same people who think online petitions "make a difference" are the same ones who think "DUing a poll" has some earth shaking consequence.
Enjoy your day,

[renie408]

28. Yeah, DUing a poll doesn't make nearly as much of a difference

as wasting your time bolstering your ego by calling other people naive.

[MethuenProgressive]

29. renie, it's naive to say all who are wise to e-petitions are somehow anti-Edwards.

Sorry if you took it personally, but e-petitions are usually snickered at by anyone with more than a 5th grader's understanding of spam. Perhaps though, it's me who is naive regarding the enormous impact masses of collected email signatures have had on legislation? Share with us, will you, the laws and/or opinions that have been changed in Washinton because of spamming?

[renie408]

30. Sorry...who said that? The 'wise to e-petition' thing?

I didn't. I said that your smug comments look more like an effort to bolster your own pathetic ego than any effort to help anybody or anything. You don't offer any genuine advice, you just point out, rather obviously and pathetically, how much BETTER you are than the people who think it will help. YOU are not so NAIVE. YOU are so informed. YOU are a REAL mover and shaker. Right. And that's why you are here. Because wasting your time poking at other people is what makes the REAL difference. Wow. I know I am impressed by what a big man you are.

[MethuenProgressive]

32. renie, please calm down and try again.

Pointing out that e-petitions are worthless and merely email addy harvesters was absurdly called "anti-Edwards" and "pro-Clark" in the above thread. Oddly, you choose to join in the absudity.
And so I put to you:

Perhaps though, it's me who is naive regarding the enormous impact masses of collected email signatures have had on legislation? Share with us, will you, the laws and/or opinions that have been changed in Washington because of spamming?

I'll gladly change my opinion of the value of spam if you would point us to the genuine results that e-petitions have had on government. e-petitions are a valuable tool for adding email addresses to a pol's database, and in my opinion most participants are unaware of the real reason that such tools are used. Do you have an alternate view to offer re e-petitions?

[dave_p]

26. huh?

Ready to end it?

I wasn't ready to start it.

unlike JE.

[renie408]

27. Damn Straight. And you are only allowed to be against the war now if you have always been against..

the war. So, all of you Johnny-come-lately's to the anti-war effort, you just forget it. Those of us who have never supported the war want to go right back to being in the massive minority. We don't want ANYBODY to change their minds, see things in a new light or have any regrets for their prior support. Because we are so smart, so tuned in that we know the only reason ANYBODY can have changed their mind could be for some kind of gain. I told my mother that just the other day when she tried to tell me that she had decided it was time to bring the troops home. I said, "Yeah, you think so NOW. What's in it for YOU??"


Those of us who have always been against the war are the PURE ones. WE are the SMART ones. And we don't want to play with you FLIP FLOPPERS. So nahney nahney boo boo, John Edwards. Keep your petition to yourself!!

[dave_p]

35. he ain't running for dog-warden

Anyone's more than welcome into the anti-war fold, the critical fold or so far as I'm concerned the just-won't back-it fold.

But asking us to support someone for President and C-in-C surely carries a higher burden of reliability.

When one mistake can - and has - cost hundreds of thousands dead, there isn't the luxury of a wide margin of error.

I think he and others in the same position have great work ahead. But not as President. They failed disastrously when they should have been giving it 100%.

[rodeodance]

37. it does seem that way so often on this board.

[Connie_Corleone]

31. Edwards sat on the intelligence committee with Durbin.

Durbin voted against the IWR. Edwards not only supported it, but co-sponsored it and voted against the two amendments that would've slowed down Bush's rush to war.

Is Edwards sorry for his vote because he ignored the lack of intelligence on Iraq that Durbin noticed, or is he sorry for his vote because the war became a disaster? He had no problem supporting it in 2004 when it was clear there were no WMDs. He said it was still the right thing to do:

"I would have voted for the resolution knowing what I know today, because it was the right thing to do to give the president the authority to confront Saddam Hussein...I think Saddam Hussein was a very serious threat. I stand by that, and that's why stand behind our vote on the resolution." (October 10, 2004 on Meet the Press)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edwards

He can keep his petition.

[ClassWarrior]

33. It warms my heart to see all the vitriol on Edwards threads.

People know that he's the real contender.

I hope they know how poorly their actions reflect on their candidates.

NGU.

[MethuenProgressive]

42. ...by Edwards supporters.

I hope they know how poorly their actions reflect on their candidate.

[ClassWarrior]

43. Link? Show me where an "Edwards supporter" has acted as rudely as...

...some here.

NGU.

[MethuenProgressive]

44. here ya go

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3239152&mesg_id=3239152

[rodeodance]

36. k

[MethuenProgressive]

45. so *that's* how some people pass the thousand post mark!

just kidding, don't have a bird, rodeo! :toast: