Harold Ford JUST said that "My horses were all on the stage last night with the EXCEPTION...

[jenmito]

of Dennis Kucinich and the former Senator from Alaska..." He went on to say the other six candidates sounded presidential..." He was on Fox Noise with Shepard Smith, in response to a question from Smith whether Ford has a horse in the race, he started by saying as the head of the DLC he CAN'T have a horse in the race and then said my earlier quote. :eyes:

[jgraz]

1. That's great, cuz when it comes to winning elections...

I want to hear from Harold Ford.

[Blue_In_AK]

2. ROFL

[wyldwolf]

3. his win-loss record is 5-1. Looks like a winner to me. Here's someone else who lost a few

[BOSSHOG]

8. Yep

Big Dog lost a congressional race in 74 and lost the governorship after one term, but came back BIG TIME.

[jgraz]

13. Yeah, and he was GREAT for overall democratic candidates

Remind me again how the rest of the Dems did while Clinton was president. DLCers don't win elections. True progressives got us back the congress and if we forget that, we'll be right back in the minority.

[wyldwolf]

16. Another factually challenged post

DLCers don't win elections.

Yes they did.

True progressives got us back the congress

Over half the new congress members joined the DLC.

[jgraz]

45. OK, here's some facts

Though you ain't gonna like them

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/jgraz/4

[wyldwolf]

98. Next

Jon Tester: Populist wins Senate seat after destroying DCCC favorite, center-right John Morrison, in the primary.

Jon Tester did not destroy the DCCC favorite. And his positions are quite centrist.

Jim Webb: Beats George "Macaca" Allen with a strong anti-war, pro-economic justice message.

A Reagan Democrat - described as one the most conservative in the Senate.

Dallas, TX: 41 of 42 judgeships switch from GOP to Dems. Judgeships. In Texas.

You think judges who leave the GOP for the Dems do an ideological 180? LOL!

# Congressional Progressive Caucus: Gains at least seven new members, becoming the largest ideological caucus in Congress.

Over half the new House members join the DLC. Combined with the conservative Blue Dogs, their numbers are a statistical deal heat with the CPC ( I believe 63 to 65.)

[draft_mario_cuomo]

119. Are Webb and Tester members of the DLC?

Apparently the DLC does not keep a list of members online for some reason.

[wyldwolf]

134. No. Are they members of any "Progressive" arm of the Senate? No

Jon Tester:

Some of his policy positions might be offensive to some on the left if anyone took the time to learn them. Still, he's heralded as a “progressive” hero.

He's worked with Republicans to make the Clinton/DLC concept of a balanced budget a reality.

He believes the government should work to limit abortions and believes, again like Clinton and the DLC, the procedure should be safe, legal, and rare.

He's tough on crime, and especially believes in enforcing illegal drug laws. DLC playbook. Again.

He believes in a strong national defense.

He's a strong Second Amendment rights advocate and says he will stand up to anyone - Democrat or Republican - who wants to take away gun rights.

He believes healthcare should be affordable and assessable (not neccesarily provided by the government.)

He believes we should secure our borders to keep out illegal drugs and illegal immigrants. Companies who hire illegal immigrants should be punished.

Jim Webb:

Like Tester, many of his policy positions may offend some in the more liberal wing of the Democratic party.

He is an absolutist on Second Amendment rights — the right to keep and bear arms.

He's no real big of affirmative action.

He once refused to shake John Kerry’s hand because of his opposition to the Viet Nam war.

He's been described as “the most deeply conservative national Democrat since Grover Cleveland.”

Before he was a Democrat, he was a Republican. A Reaganite. Before that, legend has it, he was a Democrat who had grown impatient with the liberalness of the Democratic party since the late 1960s. Funny - that's why the DLC was formed.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

135. So they are not members of the DLC. Thank you

Tester actually beat a well-financed DLC'er to win the nomination...

As far as their views, they reflect the views of the states they represent, Montana and Virginia. It would be another thing if they had such views representing progressive states such as New York or Connecticut...

I noticed that you didn't mention much about their views on economic issues such as trade. Why is that?

You also implied that mainstream Democrats don't believe in a strong national defense, that that is a DLC position. Why do you feel that the majority of your party favors a weak defense?

[wyldwolf]

136. Who said they were? Congress isn't "DLC vs. the rest of them"

Not being in the DLC does not make one "progressive."

Tester actually beat a well-financed DLC'er to win the nomination...

So? That means he ran a better campaign. Their positions were almost identical.

As far as their views, they reflect the views of the states they represent, Montana and Virginia. It would be another thing if they had such views representing progressive states such as New York or Connecticut...

So the implication is it's ok for a Democrat to represent the views of his/her state? Good. I agree. Which is what the DLC is about - running candidates who can win in any given state - which is why the DLC won early and won often in 2006.

I noticed that you didn't mention much about their views on economic issues such as trade. Why is that?

I certainly mentioned Tester practically plagerizing the DLC's book on budgets. And one issue, like trade, does not put someone in any particular camp. John Edwards, solid DLCer from the time he was elected to the senate until 2004, not real big on NAFTA.

You also implied that mainstream Democrats don't believe in a strong national defense,

No, I implied "progressives" are not. And they haven't been since Viet Nam

Why do you feel that the majority of your party favors a weak defense?

You assume the majority of the party are netroots style "progressives." Why is that??

The left has doomed the Democratic party on that issue for decades. Why did you do that?

[draft_mario_cuomo]

141. I didn't say they were progressive

The simple fact is that Webb and Tester are not members of the DLC, an organization within the Democratic Party that in many ways is a fifth column in the party. There is a difference between an organization such as the DLC and being an individual who happens to represent the views of your conservative state.

The DLC is not about running candidates that can simply win. They are an ideological organization that promotes Republican-lite ideas. It is better to have someone like Jon Tester in the Senate from Montana than Conrad Burns. We should run people like Tester in those states. It is an entirely different matter to have someone like that be our nominee or represent a progressive state such as New York or Connecticut.

The DLC's playbook on budgets? Simply believing in balanced budgets does not mean you a DLC'er.

You said the DLC was for a strong defense. The implication seems to be that the rest of the Democratic Party--the majority of the party--is not for a strong defense.

You can't blame the myth that Democrats are weak on defense solely on progressives. The DLC's Bill Clinton was president for 8 years and did nothing to help improve our image in defense.

[wyldwolf]

142. you tried to set up a black or white / DLC or "rest of congress" scenario

The simple fact is that Webb and Tester are not members of the DLC, an organization within the Democratic Party that in many ways is a fifth column in the party.

First of all I've alway found it amazing how "progressives" psss on disinformation about the DLC that they get from each other. They are no more a fifth column than PDA, DFA or MoveOn.

There is a difference between an organization such as the DLC and being an individual who happens to represent the views of your conservative state.

Of course there is. The DLC is a think tank. And centrist house members often associate themselves with them.

The DLC's playbook on budgets? Simply believing in balanced budgets does not mean you a DLC'er.

I didn't say it did, but from a politically historical perspective, balanced budgets were not on the Dem's radar unti Clinton and the DLC made it fashionable. And Tester didn't just advocate balanced budgets, he followed the DLC recipe.

You said the DLC was for a strong defense. The implication seems to be that the rest of the Democratic Party--the majority of the party--is not for a strong defense.

You just repeated yourself. Already covered that statement in your last reply.

You can't blame the myth that Democrats are weak on defense solely on progressives.

I most certainly can. It started with the anti-war movement in the 60s. What? You think Truman and Kennedy had something to do with the myth? LOL!

The DLC's Bill Clinton was president for 8 years and did nothing to help improve our image in defense.

:rofl:

Clinton won a war.

[loudsue]

58. Sorry, mr. dlc apologist. Harold Ford can't even win his OWN election.

DLCers are the LOSERS of the republican party, who infiltrated the dem party. Bill Clinton is the only star that has ever risen on that corporate-owned group.

:kick::kick:

[wyldwolf]

99. ANOTHER factually challenged post.

[Warren Stupidity]

14. Sure why not?

Voted YES on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)
Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortions. (Apr 2000)
Voted YES on restricting bankruptcy rules. (Jan 2004)
Voted YES on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage. (Sep 2004)
Voted YES on protecting the Pledge of Allegiance. (Sep 2004)
Voted YES on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)
Voted YES on Bankruptcy Overhaul requiring partial debt repayment. (Mar 2001)
Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002)

Oh that's why I dislike Mr. Ford, thank for reminding me to look up his record again.

[wyldwolf]

18. your reply is completely irrelevant to my post

:shrug:

[fooj]

20. How so?

"True Progressives"? I think the post IS relevant.

[wyldwolf]

23. We were discussing Ford's electoral successes.

the phrase "True progressives" was not used in the post he replied to - post #3. Would be like going into a discussion on houseplants and listing roast beef recipes.

[Warren Stupidity]

22. Indeed. That is because your post was irrelevant. nt.

[wyldwolf]

24. my post was completely relevant. Someone questioned Ford's electoral success, I gave his record

[jgraz]

47. Statewide elections won: 0

If he wants to restrict himself to coaching second-generation politicians on how to win primaries in safe Democratic districts, then I'm all for it.

[wyldwolf]

59. 1. So? 2. Fortunately you don't decide that for us.

[jgraz]

62. And people wonder why the Dems were in the minority for so long...

:eyes:

[wyldwolf]

86. Posts like yours would be their answer.

[jgraz]

97. oh my, the rubber/glue retort...how will I ever respond??

You're clearly out of ammo. I'll check back later and see if you've come up with anything better.

[wyldwolf]

101. possibly in the same fashion you been doing

[ShortnFiery]

51. Now Warren, let's not

be NEIGH-sayers to the illustrious Harold Ford and his DLC Horses. :rofl:

[jgraz]

79. Ford has NEVER won a competitve race against a Republican

He won his primaries in a safe Dem district, then lost to the first real GOP challenger he faced. If I'm going to listen to someone for election advice, I'd like it to be someone who a) can actually beat the other side and b) has more of a strategy than pretending to be the other side.

[wyldwolf]

87. should we apply that to everyone like... oh... Dennis Kucinich?

[jgraz]

95. If Kucinich goes on Faux talking about "my horses"? Abso-fucking-lutely

Any other bogus comparisons you'd like to make?

[wyldwolf]

96. you mean he won a competitive house race againsrt the GOP?

[jgraz]

100. bored now...

See, I usually like to have REAL discussions with people, not play bullshit semantic games. You know damn well what I was saying and you understand perfectly well why your comparison was crap. And yet you seem to want to pretend (perhaps just to yourself) that you still have a valid point.

I'm going back to the grownups table now. Enjoy yourself.

[wyldwolf]

103. you mean you're out of options

[jgraz]

106. Not even close, see post #105

[wyldwolf]

110. seen and debunked

[loudsue]

55. Good one!! .....and on Faux News, to boot! He felt right at home, I'm sure.

:rofl:


:kick::kick::kick:

[wyldwolf]

63. right along side Wes Clark

:rofl:

[FrenchieCat]

73. Only difference is that Clark kicks their asses.......

not kisses them!

Please, U know the difference! :eyes:

[loudsue]

78. You nailed it Frencie! Harold Ford doesn't know the difference, Clark does!!

:kick::kick::kick:

[jenmito]

80. Exactly! He makes them look foolish...

Ford nearly validated what Faux's audience already believes.

[wyldwolf]

90. I've seen no examples of Ford kissing their asses. Perhaps you have one you can cite?

[jgraz]

105. How about this, attacking your idol John Kerry?

Politically Correct Harold Ford Jr. Attacks John Kerry

Senator John Kerry said this week, “Education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. And if you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.”

Congressman Harold Ford Jr., who is running for United States Senate in Tennessee, is losing his campaign. So, he’s doing more of what he’s been doing for his entire campaign: Following whatever script the Republican Party is running with. This week, the Republican Party script is to attack John Kerry. So, Harold Ford Jr. is attacking John Kerry.

Ford says, “Senator Kerry was wrong to say what he said. He needs to apologize to our troops.”

Well, was John Kerry wrong? What was wrong about what he said?

It seems to me that what John Kerry was not so much wrong as wrong to say. Senator Kerry has defied the right wing code of politically correct speech.

Harold Ford Jr. is more than happy to follow the right wing rules of political correctness. Once the yoke of those rules is accepted, it’s quite difficult to shrug off. That’s how the Democratic voters of Tennessee can know for certain that, if he gets to be Senator, Harold Ford Jr. will do everything that he can to help the Republicans have their way, and thwart any Democrats who attempt to stand in their way.

Oooohhh...that's gotta hurt...

[wyldwolf]

109. how about this

1. We were discussing Ford on FOX News. Was THIS on FOX News? No.
2. Hillary Clinton said the same and she won her election in a landslide.
3. John Kerry is not my idol.

Oooohhh...that's gotta hurt...

[jgraz]

111. The level of bad faith in your responses is unbelievable

I'm done with you. Buh bye.

[wyldwolf]

112. because I showed the error of what you wrote? Oh, ok. "buh bye."

[stray cat]

4. I'd be satisfied to see any of those horses over any repubs.

[jenmito]

6. Yeah, but he totally dissed the other two...

and THEY are Dems., too.

[wyldwolf]

11. do you get equally upset...

when the like of KOS and MoveOn put out hitlists on Democrats - Dems who should be targeted for defeat?

Just curious.

[jenmito]

15. I haven't read of any hitlists on Dems., but

if KOS and MoveOn DID put out hitlists for specific reasons and they NAMED those reasons, I think that's still like comparing apples and oranges. Isn't Ford supposed to stay neutral as even he said, before dissing two Dems.?

[wyldwolf]

19. Why would Ford have to stay nuetral?

[jenmito]

21. He's the head of the DLC. n/t

[wyldwolf]

25. So?

[jenmito]

26. So THAT'S why...

And that's why he started by saying, "As the head of the DLC I CAN'T have a horse in the race..." Ask HIM why that is.

[wyldwolf]

27. that is not so.

There is no longer any prohibition for the DLC to back or not back a candidate. Incidently, the DLC has not endorsed anyone and neither has Ford.

[jenmito]

29. Then I guess he wasn't being honest when he said that...

What can I say?

[wyldwolf]

32. perhaps he misspoke.

[jenmito]

34. Maybe he did...

but I can only go by what he said.

[Forkboy]

70. "Misspoke"

LOL...isn't that usually Washington speak for "been caught lying"?

[wyldwolf]

88. Misspoke

:shrug:

[madfloridian]

33. There's a reason for that.

Didn't they say their policies suited Republicans the most? That's what I heard Al From used as an argument to the IRS.

They only call themselves Democrats, I guess, and they control the policy.

[wyldwolf]

37. nope, that isn't what was said.

It was said some of the policies the DLC lobbied for got more Republican votes than Democratic votes in Congress.

So you DIDN'T hear From say what you claimed to have.

[madfloridian]

49. That is just about what I said.

They had to claim they were not basically a Democratic group. Which is ironic since they had a press conference in 03 to say Howard Dean would not be president.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/336

""We are increasingly confident that President Bush can be beaten next year, but Dean is not the man to do it," Reed and From wrote. "Most Democrats aren't elitists who think they know better than everyone else."

Oops. Not supposed to interfere in campaigns.

[wyldwolf]

61. no, it isn't even close and a link to your journal does not make it so.

[loudsue]

67. Then why, wyldwolf, are policies that get more REPUBLICAN votes

trying to pass themselves off as Democrats?

Answer: THEY AREN'T DEMOCRATS!! They are republicans that infiltrated the Dem party.

:kick::kick::kick:

[wyldwolf]

91. many did not, though.

Go ahead, ask me to name one.

If any group is not Democrats, it's the pouting netroots.

[madfloridian]

129. "pouting netroots" LOL Is that you Bullmoose?

:rofl: :rofl:

I am a "pouting netroot."

[wyldwolf]

132. Yes, you do that everyday.

[RaleighNCDUer]

36. "All my horses...except two"

Nope. He's not endorsing anybody.

[wyldwolf]

39. correct. He isn't.

[RaleighNCDUer]

41. "Anybody but..." IS an endorsement. nt

[wyldwolf]

64. no it is not.

[jenmito]

77. It is...FOR 6 candidates and AGAINST 2. n/t

[wyldwolf]

89. no, it is not. No more than ABB was an endorsement of anyone.

[jenmito]

130. That's not a fair comparison...

I'm talking about Harold Ford, head of the DLC, saying his "horses" were all those on stage EXCEPT for Kucinich and Gravel, right after saying as head of the DLC he CAN'T have a horse in the race but then eliminated two of them. That's inconsistent with implying he has to remain neutral.

[wyldwolf]

133. it's a completely fair comparison

[jenmito]

143. No it's not...

As I said, I'm talking about Harold Ford, head of the DLC, saying his "horses" were all those on stage EXCEPT for Kucinich and Gravel, right after saying as head of the DLC he CAN'T have a horse in the race but then eliminated two of them. That's inconsistent with implying he has to remain neutral.

Some random person feeling ABB is a good choice is no comparison.

[wyldwolf]

145. yes it is

[jenmito]

147. No it's not.

[tblue]

5. Stuff it, Harold. nt

[patrice]

7. The Greens thank you very much Mr. Ford.

Smart move!

Why don't you just tell those folks to get out of your Party?

[cyclezealot]

9. He was on Fox News. Should be enough

to disqualify for him to talk about Democratic politics. Most honorable Democrats would see that after Nevada. A DLC type on Faux. What a surprise. I agree more with John Nichols of the Nation, the big six looked like they were stumbling for their lines. After GWB, maybe that is what we expect presidential to be. I agree. Stuff it Harold.

[SaveElmer]

10. Same for Wesley Clark then...right?...nt

[patrice]

12. '08's going to be an interesting convention.

I hope the Clark folks stick together AND the Gore folks too!

We'll just see who/what this party is.

[Forkboy]

28. Yes

[jenmito]

31. I think it was a great move for Clark to become a military analyst

on Fox Noise. It exposes him to a whole lot of people who'd never see him otherwise. And in his uniform, talking as a Dem., I think that's a good thing. Especially when he, as a military expert, speaks out on Faux AGAINST the Iraq invasion.

[cyclezealot]

50. had Clark chose to run for president

after the Nevada debate was scrubbed by Democrats; wonder what Clark would have done. At least Clark is not a DLC member?

[jenmito]

17. I don't agree...

He could've used the opportunity to say he was proud of the wide array of views from ALL the candidates.

[Forkboy]

30. Good,then people who like Ford will have no problem with me criticizing Dems as well.

I hope to never hear any more whining about the lefties attacking fellow Dems from the suck ups in the center.

[wyldwolf]

35. we've never had a problem with it

We just prefer criticism to be based on fact. If people stick to the facts in their criticism there is no problem.

[fooj]

40. Who is "we"?

Aren't WE ALL Democrats? Therewithin lies the problem.

[wyldwolf]

65. I guess the people that like Harold Ford. Wasn't that what I was responding to??

[Forkboy]

43. That's a good one.

Will you be here all week and should I try the buffet?

[wyldwolf]

66. and a true one, too.

[Forkboy]

72. I'll take that as a "yes",you will be here all week.

Where's that buffet?

[wyldwolf]

93. count that as a yes I'll b here a while.

[Forkboy]

94. Thanks for the warning.

[wyldwolf]

104. anytime.

[Forkboy]

121. cool.

[jenmito]

38. As a lefty,

I don't like Ford that much, and I like him less after today's comment, although I like him more than any Repub. (except Chafee).

[Forkboy]

44. I like Manson more than any Repub.

:)

[loudsue]

75. I like Manson more than Harold Ford.

At least with Manson, you don't have to wonder about where he's coming from.

Harold Ford had the fucking NERVE to try to displace Howard Dean as the head of the DLC. If someone wanted to see what a fucking CIVIL WAR looks like, that would be a good way to do it!

:kick::kick::kick:

[IChing]

81. I even like Marilyn Manson better than Harold Ford.

:) :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Clark2008]

139. Uh... Dean's the head of the DNC and Ford never campaigned

for that job. Ford is head of the DLC.

Now, once, after Ford lost his senate bid, Carville popped his generous mouth off on the TEEVEE and said that he, personally, would like Ford to be head of the DNC, but Ford NEVER campaigned for that position. He took the DLC position a few months after losing the senate race.

Now, knowing this, your proclamation doesn't make sense.

And I'm not defending Ford or Dean or Carville or anyone. I'm just setting the record straight.

But, I will say, as a Tennesseean, I would have much preferred Ford over that shit-for-brains Republicon we have now in Corker.

[krkaufman]

42. Going on Faux News is a mistake in the first place.

Faux News viewers are NOT going to vote Democratic, and Faux News needs to be marginalized. Quit giving that damn network credibility by appearing. (Same as all those politicians and opinion leaders continuing to appear on Imus' show for years.)

[FrenchieCat]

82. I think some of those Faux Viewers voted for Dems when they may

have voted for Republicans in the past...which is how we now have a Dem majority; Previously Red Districts turned Blue in 2006.

All of the networks are right leaning (some or more obvious than others, is all). To think otherwise is unwise. That's why we have Dobbs fueling hate against Mexicans each and every day, Paula Zahn who carries water for the Republican administration as often as possible, and why all networks refer to Guiliani as "9/11 hero" as his first name.

[krkaufman]

92. Perhaps in abstract theory, but not if you look at the demographics for Faux News.

We're not talking CNN or MSNBC; we're talking Faux. And skipping Faux News will only affect those who *strictly* get their news from Faux, a demographic that is almost purely hard-core Republican/Conservative -- the Dead-Enders, or 30 Percenters. Democrats will NOT be getting their votes.

Faux News needs to be marginalized.

I'm not saying we or Dems need to complain about Faux News; candidates, consultants, etc, who care about democracy simply need to not appear on Faux and validate their existence.

[FrenchieCat]

108. I disagree with you...they ALL should be marginalized!

Talk to me later in this election cycle, because by then, all of the media conglamorates will be hard at work, and you will see that the difference between them all is the difference between having fleas or having flies up in one's ass......none of it is "acceptable".

[krkaufman]

113. However much CNN and MSNBC have shifted rightward ....

... chasing after the Faux News model, they are nowhere near as biased as Faux. Not even arguable.

I would agree that all media outlets are right-of-center, nowadays, but Faux is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Rethuglican Party.

[FrenchieCat]

116. Plu-Eaze........

They are all corporate giants who favor Republicans because of Republican's penchant for deregulation and lack of accountability.

Again, you can set yourself up if you want to. :shrug:

I'm sure you'll come round soon enough. See you then! :hi:

[krkaufman]

125. One who views CNN and MSNBC as *equivalent* to Faux News ...

... is as deluded as a Faux News viewer. The differing demographics, alone, argue for different treatment.

I bid you good day, sir. I said good day!

[FrenchieCat]

131. It is easy to attempt to deride someone else's intelligence.........

and so there is a difference between me saying "wait and see" vs. you posting that "you are deluted".

We may have different opinions, but calling me "deluded" ain't awlright..... and just like I resist the misinformation derived by CNN, Fox and MSNBC, you ain't gonna force me to think what you think just because you believe yourself to be right.

So keep on thinking that which is most obvious is most dangerous, and I'll continue to believe that what is subliminal causes the most damage. When we marched to war into Iraq, CNN and MSNBC did as good a job as Faux if no better precisely due to the differing Demographics. It was a harder case that CNN and MSNBC had to make simply because those who watch them believed in earnest that they were "less" biased.

So again, I'll agree to disagree, and hope that this time around, in whatever manner you choose to respond if you do, it won't include an attempt at disrespecting me simply because I'm not a Yes Woman to your thoughts.

[krkaufman]

137. At no point did I call you "deluted" -- I'm not even sure what that means.

: )

And though I didn't call *you* deluded -- under the assumption that you didn't actually equate Fox News with MSNBC or CNN -- my tone *was* in reply to your previous, patronizing post. ("Plu-eaze... I'm sure you'll come round soon enough. See you then!")

I thought my "good day" closing, though, should have brought levity back to the post. Apparently not. My apologies if the post's tone was taken with more seriousness than that with which it was intended.

Cheers! And good night. I said good night!

[FrenchieCat]

138. Maybe it was the statement that you made in responding to my post.....

in where you said..."One who views CNN and MSNBC as *equivalent* to Faux News ...... is as deluded as a Faux News viewer. "

Maybe I was guessing that I was subject "one"......because I'm not sure who else would be in the context of your response. :shrug:

Good night to you too......and hope to see again at some later point.

[illinoisprogressive]

46. Hillary is dlc but, not Obama or Edwards or Richardson

[SaveElmer]

71. Richardson is DLC...

And proud of it!

[wyldwolf]

102. oops!

[Clark2008]

140. Edwards was DLC when he was a Senator.

[RestoreGore]

48. and he's the horse's behind n/t

[mmonk]

52. Is he republicrat or democan?

[IChing]

53. Harold Ford disagrees with Democrats on Iraq.

Former Rep. Harold E. Ford Jr., the new chairman of the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), yesterday said he does not agree with efforts by Congress to set a deadline for U.S. military withdrawal from Iraq.


"I think most Americans want to win, they don't want to see us leave early, and if we leave prematurely, we may create a broader set of conflicts and invite a bigger problem in that region than before leaving," Mr. Ford said.

He said there is pressure to set an Iraq-withdrawal timetable because there has not been sufficient change in diplomatic and military policy.

While Congress is complaining about there not being enough troops while dismissing military-draft proposals, the new DLC chief said, the nation must rebuild the military "bigger and stronger," increasing the number of troops and ensuring that the Reserve Officers Training Corps is able to recruit on every college campus in the nation.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20070328-105657-5465r.htm

I can't believe any democrat on this board would defend this guy
except the usual suspects. His brother ran against Cohen for his old seat.

[cyclezealot]

56. maybe he should team up with Liebermann.

after all they are DLC mates.

[IChing]

57. We have people on this board defending this guy?......gezz

He also urged Democrats to begin a dialogue with Republicans to curb the rapid increases in spending for Social Security and Medicare.

[Name removed]

122. Deleted message

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[IChing]

60. He wants to increase military recuitment on college campuses

the new DLC chief said, the nation must rebuild the military "bigger and stronger,"

increasing the number of troops and ensuring that the Reserve Officers Training Corps
is able to recruit on every college campus in the nation.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20070328-105657-5465r.htm

[Ruzicka Nemchinov]

123. He's not perfect, i'll tel you that

The only reason us and many others supported him last year because he was one of the keys to bringing up a majority. The fact of the matter is that Ford and Bob Corker were truely the less of the known evils, I can't stand neither of them.

Jesus I may be a conservative Democrat, but this a-hole if too conservative for me and off the wall. But the good news is that although we lost the battle progressives truely won the war in the TN-9. Conservative Ford vacated his seats and was replaced by a man that was much more progressive then him...Steve Cohen.

[IChing]

126. Yeah and Harold Ford's brother ran against Cohen

so the issue is still

Harold Ford does not speak for Democrats
but is still the President of the DLC,
a spokesperson on Faux
and a newly hired Vice President of Merrill Lynch.


Conspiracy With Merrill Lynch Charged in Enron Trial: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39044-2004Sep21.html

[IChing]

68. Ann Coulter sorta likes him.

“Ford is an interesting case in Tennessee. I hate to say this but Ford is my favorite Democrat…
You must always vote for the Republican because, as good as Harold Ford is, he still belongs to a rotten party.” -


Ann Coulter

http://www.eyesonfox.org/?p=135

[IChing]

76. He said Imus is "a good friend and a decent man." after Imus's remark

Seven days after Imus uttered his racist and sexist slur, Harold Ford quietly issued an "unofficial" statement acknowledging that the behavior of Imus was "reprehensible" and that Imus is "a good friend and a decent man." Waiting 7 days to chastise your friend for racist and sexist remarks is about what one would expect from a Fox News Democrat like Harold Ford.

It's nice to have friends, especially when you've messed up so badly that you are the center of a media frenzy, or the object of a public stoning. But with friends like Harold Ford, expect your ship to sink long before the Tennessee politician even entertains the thought of throwing you some life support.

The Imus slur was uttered on April 4. Ford's unofficial statement crept out on April 11, the same day that his 'friend' was fired from MSNBC. Ford's unofficial statement crept out on the same day that a story in the Chattanooga Times Free Press observed that Ford was oddly quiet, and that Imus was asking "Where's Harold?"

http://guerillawomentn.blogspot.com/2007/04/imus-harold-ford-has-no-courage.html

[Forkboy]

83. Awww...you guys are just being mean now.

Keep it up! :thumbsup:

[cyclezealot]

115. the guy can't be genuine.

It is amazing what extent a politician will prostitute themselves, because their handlers tell them how it will affect certain focus groups.

[Cha]

124. Zing! That's just it..harold ford jr

is not genuine and it bothers some of us..others could give a flying crap.

[cyclezealot]

54. Nation says the Gang of Six.

Pretty unimpressive lot. Without Kucinich or Gravel, I'd probably fallen asleep. Same old pablem, different mouth. from Bob Moser. The Nation.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070514/moser
***
They still don't know--not after tonight--that the Democrats are their best bet to heal the economic fissure between the ever-fattening haves and the vast, anemic mass of the rest of us. Out in the hinterlands, local and state politicians are stirring souls and winning elections by reviving the old spirit of Huey Long and Share Our Wealth. But among the national Democrats, there appears to be scant recognition of the bleeding obvious: People are hurting, and not just those who've been unfortunate enough to land in Iraq or have family members there. A full one-eighth of Americans now officially live in poverty, we learned this past week, just as the Dow ding-dinged its way to 13,000. On this issue, among the folks I've been talking to, the anger and frustration are mingled with heavy doses of mystification: Doesn't anybody get what's happening to us out here?
***
One of the striking things you notice, covering a debate like this, is the vast gulf between what the reporters and pundits see and what the people see. I spent most of the debate in the stifling habitat of a media room with the likes of CNN's Jeff Greenberg and Candy Crowley. As the first big question about Iraq was lobbed at the Big Three--Clinton, Obama and Edwards--the mediocracy collectively pounded away at their laptops, taking down every word in a veritable symphony of typing. When the same question then went to Kucinich, the man who intrepidly preached against the war in 2004 when the others would not, all hands rested. All typing ceased. The music stopped. Attention wandered. Who cares that this man was--and is--dead-right on the issue, and that he says it stronger, and in a way far more in tune with the bulk of the people, than any of the others? He is not "viable." He is not big money. He is not worth transcribing.
***
But as I sit here sipping the obligatory late-night bourbon and trying to make sense of what I saw at South Carolina State tonight, what I can't get over has very little to do with what I actually heard and saw. It has everything to do with what the lily-livered, consultant-scripted Democratic Gang of Eight--OK, Gang of Six, as Mike Gravel has clearly never met a consultant, bless his heart, and poor dear Dennis has never been able to afford one--could not muster the guts to say.

[mmonk]

69. My family didn't like it either

though they enjoyed Gravel's excited comments. They were upset that the other candidates tried to make DK and Gravel look like they wouldn't even defend the country. The Democratic party is creating some dangerous fissures with its handlers.

[cyclezealot]

117. If a given party has no use for all it's various elements,

And trivilizes them; then I have no use for them.

[AX10]

74. Thug!

Harold Ford Jr. is just horrible. The less of him the better. He was swiftboated because of his skin color and he still kisses the ass the side of the people who did that to him. Go to HELL!

[nealmhughes]

84. Much like Groucho Marx quipped "I wouldn't want to be a member of any club that selected me for

membership," I feel the same towards the DLC.

DLC=Democrats in name Loving Corporations?

Methinks thus.

[Ruzicka Nemchinov]

85. Whats wrong with Ford's voting record?

Voted YES on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
Excellent vote Ford
Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)
Excellent vote Ford
Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortions. (Apr 2000)
Excellent vote Ford
Voted YES on restricting bankruptcy rules. (Jan 2004)
NO NO NO, what were you thinking
Voted YES on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage. (Sep 2004)
Read DU rules
Voted YES on protecting the Pledge of Allegiance. (Sep 2004)
Excellent vote Ford
Voted YES on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)
Excellent vote Ford
Voted YES on Bankruptcy Overhaul requiring partial debt repayment. (Mar 2001)
NO NO NO, what were you thinking
Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002)
NO NO NO, what were you thinking

So whats wrong with the voting record? it looks pretty decent in my point(with the exception of the Bankruptcy bill and war bill) and I am pro-choice if your scratching your heads. I just can't support this certain procedure and I can't support minors going cross states to get abortions without parents permission, this is something big that someone under 18 can't decide for themselves.

[Solon]

107. Let me count the ways...

Voted YES on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
Excellent vote Ford
Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)
Excellent vote Ford
Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortions. (Apr 2000)
Excellent vote Ford

So you like it that we ban procedures that are NECESSARY for the HEALTH of a woman? I hope you are happy when a woman is crippled or physically destroyed, but survived, thanks to this fucking law.

Voted YES on protecting the Pledge of Allegiance. (Sep 2004)
Excellent vote Ford
Voted YES on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)
Excellent vote Ford

So both you and Ford are against the whole First Amendment, thanks for clarifying.

Voted YES on Bankruptcy Overhaul requiring partial debt repayment. (Mar 2001)
NO NO NO, what were you thinking
Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002)
NO NO NO, what were you thinking
Voted YES on restricting bankruptcy rules. (Jan 2004)
NO NO NO, what were you thinking
Voted YES on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage. (Sep 2004)
Read DU rules

I agree with you on the 2 issues you commented on, the Gay Marriage one is also a bad vote, he's against the civil rights of GLBT people, that I cannot stand.

So you earn about 2 points for the two issues you commented on, Ford is scoring 0.

[Ruzicka Nemchinov]

114. I didn't say I was for Gay Marriage

When I meant read the DU rules, here's what I meant

Content: Do not post messages that are inflammatory, extreme, divisive, incoherent, or otherwise inappropriate. Do not engage in anti-social, disruptive, or trolling behavior. Do not post broad-brush, bigoted statements. The moderators and administrators work very hard to enforce some minimal standards regarding what content is appropriate. But please remember that this is a large and diverse community that includes a broad range of opinion. People who are easily offended, or who are not accustomed to having their opinions (including deeply personal convictions) challenged may not feel entirely comfortable here. A thick skin is necessary to participate on this or any other discussion forum

You see by saying my opinions of Same-sex Marriage I would be disobeying the rules on civility that would result by someone alerting the mods and getting me banned for violateing the rules



Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)
Excellent vote Ford

I'm sorry I made a mistake, if it means the woman's life is in danger I am obligated to support the procedure


So both you and Ford are against the whole First Amendment, thanks for clarifying

I don't support burning our nation's flag, this is our sacred symbol that does not get deserve to get burned

[Solon]

118. You do realize that the ONLY proper way to dispose the flag is through...

burning, right? This is according to the U.S. Flag Code, Section 8 or something like that. Besides, its no more sacred than any other piece of cloth, I don't see why a piece of cloth gets this type of reverence.

Also, I noticed you didn't leave any leeway for a woman's HEALTH, there are a shitload of difference between maintaining or restoring someone's health and them dying.

Also, you pretty much admitted to being a homophobe, thanks for clarifying that.

[Ruzicka Nemchinov]

120. It's not just a "piece of cloth"

This is our nation's flag, it's not supposed to be burned to send a message. If it needs to be burned, it gets burned if damage is brought to the flag that's the type of flag burning I can support, if it's dond properly.

And I'm not a homophobe, I don't fear gay people and I didn't say I was againist same-sex marriege

[Solon]

146. Sorry I misconstrued your position on Gay Marriage...

As far as Flag Burning, I strongly disagree, to codify in the Constitution ANY limitation on free expression is the anti-thesis of the Bill of Rights.

[Geek_Girl]

127. It's democrats like Harold Ford

That make me wonder why I'm a democrat.

[ulysses]

128. thus confirming my support for DK.

:thumbsup:

[FredScuttle]

144. Why would anyone take what this or any other DLC flunky says seriously?

It's like asking the sand castle for its opinion on the incoming wave that's about to render it obsolete.