Paul Begala ripping some Republican on CNN

[rep the dems]

On now. He's explaining how Republicans aren't as tough on terrorism as they think.

[tularetom]

1. All I can think of when I see his name is

a. Him kissing Ted Nugent's ass on crossfire
b. Him trashing Rep.McKinney on crossfire
c. Reading about him trashing Howard Dean
d. Him and his bald headed asshole buddy defending Don Anus just before Anus was fired.

Not a good track record at all. Eff him.

[blm]

2. More dog and pony show from those who want us to buy their act.

All the while working for other goals.

[AtomicKitten]

4. such bitterness

It's too bad you can't move beyond partisan politics and applaud when a Dem steps up and talks tough against the GOP.

Begala supports the Clintons and * VOILA!!! * you hate him and everything he has to say is shit.

That's seriously lame, divisive politics you're playing.

[blm]

5. And for a more ACCURATE read of why not all Dems are working for the party faithful:

As per noted historian, reliable investigative reporters, and Hillary's showing of her true colors:



http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354

Whom does the biographer think his subject will pick as a running mate? Not Hillary Rodham Clinton. "There's really two different Democratic parties right now: there's the Clintons

and Terry McAuliffe and the DNC and then there's the Kerry upstarts. John Kerry had one of the great advantages in life by being considered to get the nomination in December. He watched every Democrat in the country flee from him, and the Clintons really stick the knife in his back a bunch of times, so he's able to really see who was loyal to him and who wasn't. That's a very useful thing in life."



http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

Did Carville Tip Bush Off to Kerry Strategy (Woodward)

By M.J. Rosenberg
I just came across a troubling incident that Bob Woodward reports in his new book. Very troubling.

On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

So what happened?

James Carville gets on the phone with his wife, Mary Matalin, who is at the White House with Bush.

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

"Matalin went to Cheney to report...You better tell the President Cheney told her."

Matalin does, advising Bush that "somebody in authority needed to get in touch with J. Kenneth Blackwell, the Republican Secretary of State in Ohio who would be in charge of any challenge to the provisional votes." An SOS goes out to Blackwell.
>>>>>>

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg


Who was doing wrong to who?

[AtomicKitten]

6. YOU don't like Begala.

So what? I don't agree with everything he says but I still like him. You can still have human relationships that aren't based on the love/hate dichotomy when you grow up, or did you miss that developmental milestone?

I realize your opinion pieces mean a lot to you since you post them so frequently - too bad it's too voluminous to put in your sig line to save you the cut & paste time - but they don't prove anything other than the fact that you agree with them.

However, this is interesting:

... the Clintons really stick the knife in his back a bunch of times ...

You are complaining about the very thing you do to the Clintons here at DU on a regular basis. Your lack of insight into your own behavior here at DU is always amusing.

On edit: You edited your response to go off on Carville. You do realize this OP is about Paul Begala, right? I really don't think that matters to you, really, you just like going off.

[blm]

7. Big difference - when they needed it against the GOPs I supported them 100%.

Then they betrayed that support. But what Democrats stabbed Clintons in the back throughout that time? What Dems inspired that drawing when it was made?

And I am not acting in any official way and with NO influence on what happens, I am merely a citizen Democrat - the Clintons and their entire team WERE acting as influential leaders of the party contrary to what was best for the country and for the Democratic party and its candidates in 2002 and 2004.

Clinton acted contrary to the best interests of the country when he failed to pursue the outstanding matters involving Poppy Bush's crimes of office left to him when he took office.

Who stabbed who?

[tkmorris]

8. Why do you belittle people you don't agree with?

I don't care for Begala either. Seems to me he is often harsher to the people to his left than he is to those to his right.

[AtomicKitten]

9. I am pointing out the fact

that anyone having anything to do with Clinton is slammed - over and over - repeatedly here at DU. If you see me pointing that out as similar treatment, then fine; let it be a visual to illustrate my point.

The constant pounding of all things Clinton is tiresome at best. The fact that Begala is friends with the Clintons is no reason to not applaud him slamming the GOP for their BS war on terra.

Jeez, better to just STFU than to slam someone when they are saying something so right.

[blm]

10. They DO say some things that are so right - it's what they do away from public view

that matters to most of us who have been watching closely for decades now.

You think everything is a separate incident, as if none of it connects - fine - there's room for coincidence theorists - heck, we''re used to them.

But us long haul folks have every right to believe as we do - and it comes from being the ones betrayed and stabbed in the back, not by being the ones doing the betraying - we never had that power.

Would I be betraying this country and Democrats if I gained power and chose to open the books on the many criminal operations of BushInc?

[AtomicKitten]

13. just stop

I am so sick of you lecturing from on top of your soapbox.

You want to perpetrate this illusion (delusion) that you are the gatekeeper between good and evil, between truth and lies. The rationale for your anger which makes perfect sense in your world is the epitome of anger manifested by confusion.

You disregard tiny things like statute of limitations, etc. in your blaming tirades, but those little details are what make your bent simply ludicrous.

You may persuade those easily persuaded, but your accusations are specious and, quite frankly, libelous in many cases, and it really doesn't take much to uncover that.

That in contrast to your boot-licking of Kerry is a study in absurdity.

So, in conclusion, hooray for what Paul Begala said on CNN. The GOP has demonstrated the epitome of incompetence in all things they have done so far.

[blm]

14. Backstabbing is OK when powerful corporatists do it, but when a CITIZEN DEMOCRAT notices

and remarks on it, then all hell breaks loose, eh?

Have you confronted Douglas Brinkley and told him he's lying and should be sued?

Have you told Robert Parry he's lying and should be sued?

Have you told TPM and Woodward that they are lying and should be sued?

Have you told Greider he's lying and should be sued?

Have you presented them with any facts that disprove what they had observed and written?


Or do you just save all your insults for citizen DEMOCRATS who care about these issues, especially as they relate to the continuing crime wave that is BushInc?

[AtomicKitten]

17. I'll give you snaps for drama -- but I'm not impressed by your hysterical blaming.

Opinion = A person's thoughts or ideas toward something; not a statement of fact. Expressing an opinion is not lying. And gathering together a few sources that express an opinion that mirrors yours does not constitute a compendium of fact.

The magnitude of your accusations should be a clue that it is ludicrous to lay that steaming pile of blame on Clinton's doorstep.

Blaming feeds illusions, attempts to press advantage, channels rage, and is bereft of reason.

On edit: Claiming victim status in this sorry morality play being played out here at DU is probably part of the psychosis; either that or I hope payment rendered for gutting these boards with your Goebbels-esque propaganda to besmirch a good man's name is enough to reclaim your soul that you are selling in the process.

[blm]

23. Oh brother....give it a rest. Clue phone, AK, you are berating a mere CITIZEN with no access

to power while you let off the hook those who had the MOST power to have stopped every bad thing happening today, by siding with ...... open government.

[Name removed]

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[blm]

25. Clue phone: You are berating me obsessively when I am a mere CITIZEN

on an internet forum and all the while you are maintaining that those with the MOST power are INNOCENT victims of mine when they HAD that power but chose to not use it to make the right choices for this nation at the time it was needed.

Go figure.

[MonkeyFunk]

15. Regarding the Carville/Matalin/Kerry issue

people keep quoting that story, but nobody ever explains what it MEANS.

What did the republicans do as a result of that info? what did Kerry do differently? Why would Blackwell knowing a few hours earlier make any difference at all?

[blm]

18. The 250,000 provisional ballots dropped to 150,000 making the math impossible.

And Carville had NO BUSINESS saying ANYTHING that night to the Bush White House.

[MonkeyFunk]

19. You're saying

100,000 ballots were destroyed?

[AtomicKitten]

20. wrong --- it was Mike McCurry that did that

In State of Denial, Bob Woodward wrote:

At 3:36 a.m., a very sensitive communication from the Kerry camp was relayed to Rove and Bartlett at the White House. Mike McCurry, Clinton's former White House press secretary and a last-minute addition to the Kerry campaign, had e-mailed Nicole Devenish, the Bush campaign communications director, an off-the-record congratulations, advising that the Bush team should not try to force a resolution now. Don't pressure Kerry, McCurry said. In the end, he believed Kerry would do the right thing.

The problem with the pervasive blaming that goes on at DU is that details get lost in the flurry of torches and pitchforks. You and many of your cohorts blame Carville for doing what Mike McCurry did.

Kerry conceded the election without pressing counting the vote as he promised. You can continue to blame everyone under the sun for that, but the fact remains.

Kerry conceded and left the country - and left the rest of us in the lurch.

[blm]

21. Carville and McCurry both called - Carville gave the STRATEGY and NUMBERS INFO.

Why do YOU pretend that this didn't happen?

Did you contact TPM and Woodward's publisher and tell them that this event never happened and it should be editted from the book and dropped from TPM's site?

[AtomicKitten]

3. good to hear Dems dispelling the myth

... that Republicans are tough on terror.

Begala did a good job pointing out GOP incompetency at war and governing.

[PresidentObama]

11. I dislike and distrust Begala, but kudos on his part for speaking the truth n/t

[IndianaGreen]

12. I was surprised to hear Begala channeling Cynthia McKinney about Bush knowing of OBL's attack plans

Begala said that Bush knew that Bin Laden was planning to attack the US, and that passenger jets might be crashed into landmarks, but did nothing to increase security. This refers to the briefing Bush got in early 2001 about Bin Laden planning to attack the US.

What was surprising is that is precisely what Cynthia McKinney had said in 2002 when she was in Congress. Begala and Carville savaged McKinney publicly for "embarrassing" herself for making such outrageous charges.

Why do these two white men get a pass for smearing a Black woman that dared to say the truth?

[KoKo]

16. Cynthia was bashed constantly here on DU and not just by "trolls."

I heard Begala last night on CNN talking like McKinney saying we don't know the truth about 9/11.

I thought it was hypocritical and I'm long past trusting that someone like Begala has suddenly "awakened." He's a political shill. He only says what will get him attention or more money for appearances.

[blm]

22. Because they didn't want to hurt Bush with those kind of truths until AFTER 2004

election.

Now, he's not running.

[Tellurian]

26. Of course he's running... he's next in the food chain..w/democratic investigations

you make up stories like people do, when they're putting their children to bed.
Just to give them an answer. Bush is waiting for the other shoe to drop. At least 30
of the people working for him have been removed from their jobs because of criminal behavior.
Bush has no idea when his turn will come..

The wheels of justice grind slowly but they grind finely. Remember that, before you go off on someone again.

[blm]

27. Not the point - Dem talking heads would attack other Dems before they'd say Boo to Bush

for most of his first term. Begala did attack McKinney publicly then for the same stuff he is now saying - and THAT was the point.

Now that Bush isn't running for re-election, the corporate talking heads feel freer to attack him on these points made in the past by other Dems.

[JerseygirlCT]

28. Time to triangulate. nt