Call It The "Women MUST Die" Ruling

[Demeter]

Because calling it the ban on partial-birth abortions is a ten-sided lie.

[donsu]

1. true and its not anti abortion its forced pregnancy

nt

[TheWraith]

2. You are aware that the law has an explicit exception for the life of the mother?

Dishonesty isn't limited to one side here.

[niyad]

5. since there is NO SUCH MEDICAL PROCEDURE as PBA--the LIE is all on one side.

and, the law as originally written, if I recall, did NOT have such an exception. kindly cite that particular part of the legislation.

interesting, don't you think, since the whole point of IDE (Intact dilation and extraction, which IS the medical procedure) is done primarily to protect the health and life of the mother, PERIOD>

[ehrnst]

12. IF they specified the term intact D&X, then they couldn't scare drs

Out of performing any of the procedures that could be covered under the vague set of steps listed in the legislation.

Some abortion procedures done as early as 12 weeks could be implicated under this law.

By using the correct medical terminology, they would have been limiting the number of physicians that they can intimidate legally, and the type and gestational age of pregnancies ended.

[MonkeyFunk]

16. Yes

the legislation has an exception for the life of the mother.

The controversial part of this is that it does NOT contain an exception for the health or future reproductive ability of the mother.

However, the law does NOT outlaw all late-term abortions. it outlaws ONE procedure for attaining one.

That said, it's a horrible law, and probably a bad decision, but let's be realistic about what it says.

[Morgana LaFey]

22. PROBABLY a bad decision?

But it could also be a really, really GOOD one, is what you're saying.

[Big Pappa]

26. I ask this

if the procedure known as PBA is a lie, then exactly did the court rule?

[Demeter]

6. Wanna Make a Bet?

and who are YOU going to to trust to keep YOU alive--the Supreme Court, or a Board-certified physician?

[MonkeyFunk]

35. I'll take that bet

$1,000?

[supernova]

7. There is no justification

for the SCOTUS ruling on this issue whatsoever.

[StopThief]

21. Exactly!!!

Those bastards!!!!

[w4rma]

10. I was not aware of any exception in this particular law for the life of the woman.

I'm pretty sure there is no exception in that law.

[MonkeyFunk]

17. sigh

Yes, there is. The same law Bill Clinton vetoed had an exception for the life of the mother, and he said he would've signed it if it had an exception for the health of the mother.

[w4rma]

19. Oh, it has no exception for the *health* of the mother. But one for the bare life. (nt)

[MonkeyFunk]

25. Not sure what "bare life" means....

but the law in question does have an exemption for the life of the mother, which is the entirety of the point I'm trying to make.

[ehrnst]

11. But if she were to become sterile if she were to give birth...

As in the case of a diabetic woman who finds out her 7 month old fetus is anencephalic? This was an actual case brought up in testimony at the hearings. Diabetics do not heal well, and the physician advised her that an INTACT D&X, (which is one of a COUPLE procedures that could be described in the vaguely worded "PBA" legislation) would be the best way to avoid the damage done to her reproductive system as a result of labor and delivery. Diabetics do not tolerate pregnancy well, and do not heal well from birth.

She went on to have another pregnancy and has a son that she would likely would not have had if she had been forced to give birth to a baby that would have died hours later gasping for air.

That law would have NOT made an exception for her second child's life, would it?

[JerseygirlCT]

30. How about HEALTH of the mother? nt

[niyad]

3. thank you for that--I keep reminding people that there is NO SUCH medical procedure as PBA-- this

simply reinforces my belief that, at the heart of EVERY anti-choice argument, piece of legislation, etc., lies a deep and profound hatred of women. every single argument, be it religious, legal, etc, says that some THING, or some ONE, is more important than the woman, whether it is the fetus, the sperm donor, the church, the state, etc.

we need to make this absolutely clear to everybody.

[Dinger]

4. Forced Pregnancy, "Women Must Die" Ruling, Yes, Because That's Exactly What It Is (nt)

[donsu]

8. kicking

nt

[Hepburn]

9. K & R

IMO: Fuck those five women hating assholes on the USSC! :mad:

[YOY]

13. I remember an old Black and white picture of a woman found dead

post illegal abortion...naked, curled into a fetal position, dead in a hotel room. It changed my view on things completely. Her tragic story was equally touching.

It probably hit me a lot harder than any nasty picture of a dead fetus that my Catholic upbringing shoved down my throat.

Alls it takes is the late picture of one poor scared woman going to the wrong person for a botched abortion and we can shock the faux Christians back into reality.

[Control-Z]

14. Can we?

'...shock the faux Christians back into reality.'

The beautiful woman in my avatar is my mother, the dead woman you refer to.

[Skittles]

24. I remember seeing a picture of her face

she was indeed a very lovely lady; my sincere condolences

[Control-Z]

33. Skittles

Thank you. :hug:

[YOY]

31. Not all of them

Just the few that realize how silly and idealistic they are being.

[Scout]

36. your mom is Geri?

:hug:

you don't have to dance alone, you have us :grouphug:

[niyad]

18. that picture (ms magazine) is burned into the brains of all of us who have worked long and hard to

make certain that women's right to choice is protected. unfortunately, the reichwingnuts don't give a damn what happens to us.

[fudge stripe cookays]

20. Geri Santoro.

Yes, the first time I saw that picture, I wanted to scream.

We had a woman in the extended family I'm researching who probably died of the aftereffects of an abortion back in the 1930s. She left three children, who were raised in very sad circumstances.

[Morgana LaFey]

23. Like this?

Leona's Sister, Gerri, the DVD- What happens if abortion is outlawed
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=719013&mesg_id=719013
Link: http://www.deepdiscount.com/
photo: http://www.msmagazine.com/spring2002/brandesgratz.asp

[Mass]

15. Not partial birth abortion, "dilation evacuation". Do not use RW memes.\nt

[Big Pappa]

27. Does changing

the wording make any more "wholesome". This whole issue disturbs me to the core. Being torn between a viable life and womens right to her own body. I do not believe there is an easy answer to be found.:grouphug:

[sandnsea]

28. Live Moms. It's pretty fuckin' easy. n/t

[Mass]

29. The ban applies EVEN if the foetus is NOT viable and if it will not live.

Once again, this is a ban on a medical procedure, not on late-term abortion. You still can have late term abortions if the law allows it in your state, but you cannot use the safest method to do so.

[donsu]

32. it is very easy, very, very, easy. the woman has a right to chose

period.

the woman and the doctor decide. no one else.

[Marnieworld]

34. no it's women must have risky surgery ruling

It doesn't say that they must die, it just makes them have a c-section instead.

It's not like anyone has late term abortions based on a lifestyle choice. It happens, this procedure was to avoid vaginal delivery of a baby who probably wouldn't live long outside the womb. Vaginal and C-Sections are a lot riskier to the health of the woman but now that is the only choice.

Maybe "Who care about women's health ruling"? It certainly means that.

Or, "we don't want you to worry your pretty heads so we'll decide for you ruling" which of course isn't very catchy but true. Kennedy should be forced to be trapped in a windowless room for a week with every member of Code Pink for what he wrote.

:grr: