Any Clark Supporters going over to Edwards?

[JohnLocke]

We need you!

[WillyBrandt]

1. Sorry, already a Kerry man

[Patriarch]

6. Not sure yet

I will probably sit out the rest of the primaries until the eventual nominee is chosen.

Whomever it may be, Kerry, Edwards or Dean I'm still ABB.

[mmonk]

2. No

I don't think so. Nothing personal, just not my preference. I will vote for him if he is the nominee though.

[DancingBear]

8. I've just got the car in neutral right now

It'll stay that way until the nominee is decided, probably.

[southern democrat]

3. I am for Edwards now.I don't know how much it will help,we have

allready had our primary.

[JohnLocke]

10. Thank you.

[MrSlayer]

4. Kerry. Sorry dude.

[in_cog_ni_to]

5. never. n/t

[KittyWampus]

65. No Chance In Hell, Sorry.

He isn't qualified and would be a puppet, IMO.

He also is as almost as hawkish as Lieberman.

[JPJones]

7. Not a chance

[Dookus]

9. not me...

Kerry's gonna be the nominee. Let's start beating Bush.

[Auntie Bush]

11. Count me absent without leave..

Edwards doesn't have a chance of beating Bush in the GE.

[Adelante]

12. Kerry nt

[jpgpenn]

13. NO

[Kosmos Mariner]

14. nope

:dem:

[Mz Pip]

15. I don't know

I like Edwards, he seems genuine and I have stated that he would be my second choice. I've got a few weeks to decide but as of now, I'm thinking of voting for Clark just to be pissy.

MzPip
:dem:

[Kahuna]

16. Not me. I believe that national security will play a part..

in the general election, as it should. Edwards has no bona fides in that regard. Edwards also leaves me cold because he claims to work on behalf of the little guy, while admitting that he never did any pro bono work. Not good.

[Leilani]

44. I Agree with Kahuna

National security is too important at this time to support a person completely lacking in experience.


I just don't see any reason he is qualified for the job.

[krkaufman]

57. Agreed.

I agree precisely with the Hawaiians for Clark contingent, here. National security is too important for the GE, and Edwards hasn't the credentials.

(Aside from the fact that his past votes don't align with his "two Americas" stump speech.)

[polpilot]

53. NO pro bono? NONE?

His wife appears smart and compassionate. MOST impressive in her appearances.

Jack Nicholson '04...

[spooky3]

54. not true--he refused a fee in some cases

[Rowdyboy]

17. Very disappointing replies...

Actually, I am currently leaning strongly toward voting Edwards in the March 9th primary in my state. I only switched from my Clark avatar today, after hearing confirmation that he was endorsing Kerry. I'm not ready to totally commit, yet, but I'm leaning very heavily in Edwards' direction.

I'd expected to see more of my fellow Clark supporters moving to Edwards, but there's that "momentum mentality" thats hard to beat.

FWIW, I like Kerry, I just think Edwards is a better all-around candidate. I want someone who can really go for the jugular. Thats why I started with Graham, moved to Clark, and am now heading to Edwards. He's got what it takes to reduce Bush to a pile of mush.

And if he loses to Kerry, he'll make a damn fine vp or Attorney General.

[mmonk]

18. vote your own mind

It's your choice. I didn't base my support for Clark on what others may think.

[Adelante]

20. You go where your head and heart lead you

I think that's what the General would tell you, Rowdyboy.

[Crewleader]

22. I agree Rowdyboy

I like John Edwards very much and his wife Elizabeth. I still will hold Our Dear General in my heart and will vote for the nominee whoever it is but I may cast my primary vote for the other Southerner who is a son of a mill worker. :-)

[JohnLocke]

38. Thanks!

[Kahuna]

28. Momentum has nothing to do with my mindset. See..

my post above. I have always said that Kerry would likely be my second choice. Though I've never been enthusiastic about him. It's just being pragmatic. If Edwards had a few more years experience under his belt I would support him over Kerry. But Edward's lack of national security credentials is why I cannot support him.

[Rowdyboy]

35. That was poorly phrased on my part...

Certainly, momentum is not the only reason that Kerry will pick up many (if not most) of the former Clark supporters. Kerry's military record is a huge draw and his career in the senate has been admirable. I'll be happy to support Kerry once he's nominated, but...

I really like John Edwards too. He has a charm; he has the same vulnerability that drew people to John McCain-he seems like a real guy, someone who knows where I've been and who I am. Of course, he and I are the same age, from similar economic backgrounds and we're both southern. That, more than anything, explains my tilt toward Edwards.

Regardless, Kahuna, I can say with absolutely NO doubt whatsoever, you and I will very soon be on the same side again. I look forward to that day. You're absolutely one of my favorite Clark supporters!

:toast:

[in_cog_ni_to]

41. I'm not voting for Kerry either!

Both Kerry and Edwards voted for the IWR and the Patriot Act. They will not get my vote. Momentum...schmomentum! MY vote will not go to someone JUST BECAUSE the media says it should.

[Kathleen04]

19. I think that I will be... n/t

[One Taste]

21. I am

[DjTj]

24. Welcome!

:hi:

...this thread is starting to turn around a bit...

[JohnLocke]

39. Welcome to the Club!

[Bucky]

23. I'm leaning there, but not sold on Johnny yet.

I have until March to decide. I'm enjoying not being committed right yet. Clark's endorsement doesn't move me a bit. Like most Clarkies, I think for myself.

[texasmom]

25. I haven't decided.

Clark's endorsement doesn't have any effect on me. Personally, I hate the "go with the crowd" mentality, so I tend to go the other way. I liked the idea of the candidates staying in and letting it all play out--despite the DNC's power plays to bring it to a close two weeks ago.

[roguevalley]

27. Never. Ever. Never. :) I won't vote for him.

[kayleybeth]

26. Not me.

I will vote ABB in November but Wesley Clark gets my primary vote and that's not negotiable. IF I was going to support someone else it would be Kerry, not Edwards. Sorry.

[Nashyra]

30. Nope

Would only vote for him int he GE. Caucusing for Clark on Sat. Backing Kerry after Clark endorsement and really didn't tale too close a look at Edwards because his lack of experience in foreign policy. And then some of his supporters on DU just plain turned me away after how they treated Clark.

[girl gone mad]

48. To be fair on that last point,

plenty of Kerry supporters lobbed cruel and unusual insults at Clark and Clark supporters as well.

[Clark4Prez]

29. Kerry here

I like John Edwards, I think that he is a good and decent man with alot of great ideas.

However, my vote will go to Kerry. I think he is more liberal (a big plus with me) and has the fundraising in place to beat Bush.

I wish Edwards well, though.

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[Crunchy Frog]

32. I'm not going over to anybody

It is very liberating now to be able to watch the primaries without having an emotional stake in them, especially after what I've just been through as a Clark supporter.

I don't even have a primary to vote in, so it's kind of pointless. I plan to support whoever gets the nomination. I may make a donation to Kucinich, although I am under no illusions about his chances at the nomination, and I wouldn't want him to get the nomination-I just think his voice should be heard.

Sorry I can't help you.

[Red_Storm]

33. No Way !

[Tweed]

34. Not at all

[Frederic Bastiat]

36. Nope

Not me.

[funky_bug]

37. Judging by the Edwards thread on Tuesday

I know that's what many Edward's supporters were assuming would happen.

Surprise! Just remember, certain supporters of Edwards were practically begging us to throw our support behind him, and adamantly voicing their opinion that Clark was a stumbling block to Edwards. Hey, you were RIGHT! Block this!

I'm proud to be a Wes Clark Democrat, and I'm voting for Kerry on Super Tuesday.

[Burma Jones]

40. I'm out of enthuiasm, I'll vote for the nominee

You wouldn't want me on your side anyway. I've supported:

Mo Udall (before I could even vote)
Gary Hart
Joe Biden
Paul Tsongas
Bill Bradley
and now,
General Clark

Maybe I should go and sabotage Republican candidates instead.

[Eurobabe]

42. nope

Kucinich until the end

[laruemtt]

43. don't know where i go from here

too much in flux right. my soul would vote dean or kuch today.

[wellstone dem]

45. nope

I will be caucusing for Clark, if not enuf to be viable going with Kucinich, if not enuf to be viable--undecided, if not enuf to be viable--Kerry.

I just think Edwards is too inexperienced, he's been a trial lawyer and less than one term as a US senator. Not ready for POTUS, IMHO.

[JohnLocke]

47. What's wrong with being a trial lawyer?

And Clark has no political experience.

[KnucklesBuchanan]

50. Clark has plenty of political...

experience. He's been walking and working in the halls in DC since the 70's. Not as a legislator, but with legislators and policy makers. Edwards bothers me for the simple reason that he hasn't put in anywhere near the time that all the other candidates have (even Al Sharpton). I don't have a whole lot of faith in a candidate that ran for office simply as a step up to the presidency. Hell, you can try and denigrate Bill Clinton if you want, but that guy was serving in office since the early 80's. Sure, it's great that Edwards had a "life changing event", but he's not the Buckminster Fuller of politics that he would like you to believe he is.

One Super Tuesday passes, I'm on board with Kerry (although I'm still a Clark delegate to my state convention, and have no intention of changing that).

[krkaufman]

58. Bunk!

> And Clark has no political experience.

Bunk!

Clark didn't have any "elective politics" experience, granted. However, one doesn't rise to 4-star general without any "policical" experience or skills.

Clark's only weakness was campaigning. He wasn't a natural fit for the robotic, say-whatever-it-takes world of elective campaign politics, and his campaign managers tried to reshape him rather than modifying the process to his strengths.

[Beaker]

46. NO. WAY.

get back to me when he's got a litle more experience under his belt...

[elixir]

49. Nope, if I have to switch, I'm gonna switch to a winner.

[PurityOfEssence]

55. I'll never understand that logic

If one is going to let others make the decision, why even bother to vote?

In a primary, one should vote for the one one likes/agrees with the most, with an eye toward electability in the general election. To only want to go with a winner smacks of wanting to "hang with the cool kids".

I think a lot of Kerry's momentum is based simply on that, just as Dean's was a while ago. If one analyzes the absolute collapse of Dean's candidacy, one can see possibilities for a similar thing happening to Kerry: Dean was too strident and alienated too many people; perhaps Kerry will make kinder and gentler missteps to exacerbate his inherent detriments of being a dry Eastern Intellectual and long-time liberal with vulnerable votes like the '91 war.

Will you feel better going with a "currently presumed winner", only to find out that you were one of the many who erred? There are a lot of ex-Dean supporters with a lot of egg on their faces; at least those people recognize their folly.

If you like Kerry and believe in his electability--legitimate stances, granted--then by all means, support him. If you're just doing it to be able to cheer with the winning team, then you'd probably be best served by not admitting that; it's not a particulary admirable trait.

I'll never understand the need to hang with the cool people.

[xultar]

51. After all of the rude things said by some Edwards folk to Clark folk

ummmm, NEVAH

After Edwards hired Shelton,
ummmm, NEVAH

After Edwards dismissed Clark by running a 2 man race,
ummmm, NEVAH

so
I guess the answer is,

NEVAH

[PurityOfEssence]

56. I guess he shouldn't have called Clark on his lies, huh?

Some Edwards supporters have said some nasty things--me among them--but only after Clark deliberately lied (Bush Tax Cuts) and distorted repeatedly. When called to defend himself, he couldn't even address the tax distortion, but threw out new distortions.

In some worlds, ducking when people throw things at you is some kind of attack.

You'll note that, even when Clark deliberately lied (he ABSOLUTELY knew better about the tax votes) Edwards didn't resort to personal attacks in return, but just rebutted the accusations.

As for Shelton, he was working with Edwards long before Clark even hinted at running; they went to the same school, as a matter of fact, and had a long history.

The world does not revolve around Wesley Clark, any more than it does around Howard Dean, and this is something far too many of their respective supporters seem to misunderstand.

I can only say that I'm truly glad Clark's out of the race, and much of that is because the chanting, repetitive, exultant nature of many of his supporters will not be heard so much anymore. From the beginning, there was a tenor of "bend to our will" coming from the more strident members of his camp; when they first made their voice heard en masse on the board, it was a shock even to the Dean supporters who used many of the same tactics of intimidation and belittlement.

Many supporters of each candidate were truly imbued with the love of and respect for their guys, and many of those have been dismayed by how things degenerated in the clutch.

Your "Nevahs" remind me of nothing as much as a sports fan hammering anyone for not loving his team, and I'm not the only one who will feel like that.

Fine. Go ahead and dislike a guy who was abused and slagged by your candidate, yet who held his head high and behaved with maturity. That makes no sense to me, but much of the cult of personality is alien to me as well.

[xultar]

62. Point Proven.

[Rooktoven]

64. Yes. The cult of personality point _was_ proven. --nt

[bicentennial_baby]

52. Nope

I'm done with all of the candidates...screw it, I'm out.

[John_H]

59. i like Edwards but he has no chance of beating Chimp

for the same reason Dean didn't: they'll spend 200 million in chimp change making swing voters believe he's not experienced enough on national security. Not fair? Not true? Maybe, but that won't stop them from doing it. And it sure as hell won't stop it from working.

[MoonRiver]

60. Not a chance.

Especially after all the Kerry sex rummormongering. :thumbsdown: I have my own ideas about integrity and its not getting one's foot soldiers to promote such crap against other Dem candidates. Hey we've been seeing this behavior from the Dean camp for a long time. Edwards is a little slicker. He keeps his mouth shut, while providing talking points to those on the ground, IMHO, of course.

[jmaier]

61. I'm abstaining and will vote for Wes in IL primary

After the convention (or nominee is decided), I'm ABB, baby.

That said, I respect Wes Clark's decision to endorse Kerry and it is right for him so that he can keep in the fight against Bush. I have no objection to Kerry, per se, and I was leaning his way before Clark entered the race. At the moment, I just can't get enthusiastic about the non-Clark alternatives.

[PATRICK]

63. As an Edwards supporter

I will admit it seems to me that the forlorn hope moment has even passed for Edwards. I am disappointed he did not get much of a chance, but then he was not exactly drubbed by the electorate so much as sunk under the radar. He is actually serving the party as well as his cause by continuing to to keep up the race, to insure the decision, while not a very "democratic" ideal contest, will be as public and considered as possible.

It must be a time of pain to wage a spirited campaign under those auspices, another test of character and abilities, and another point to be made about how the Dem message should be presented in November. I have seen the stages other supporters have gone through. I think I will skip denial though the certain end has not come yet.

People have been bitter about many things, but I see no cause for bitterness in this campaign, only a clarion call to fix our national process which has hurt and made impossible our Party's ability to have a pristine, big money free, democratic process in which everyone can have an equal say. People like to blame the immediate rival or the party chairs, but the national disease dictated by the coup and their sponsors has brought matters to this pass.

It is time to get together, as a party not a gaggle of squabblers cringing behind a messiah, but behind a national movement to remake a better America.

Kerry bashing is unfathomable to me outside the context of a primary contest. If you can't compare the human nature of Bush and Kerry and get your head straight you might as well dig a hole now. Kerry's a great candidate and even a member of the human race too, I believe.