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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 11:37 AM Original message |
Hillary Clinton: No Leadership Abilities? |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
1. Go sic'em Hil. |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
2. Good information - Thanks! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
3. Deleted message |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 11:51 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. and who says the left are one-issue voters? |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Iraq, i think is an important issue. 655,000 reasons at least. |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. "Well, I am going to leave that to others to conclude." |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 01:46 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. You've debunked nothing |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 03:00 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. We liberals take issue with Mrs. Clinton on far more than 1 issue. That's what I proved. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 03:48 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. still, you've debunked nothing |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 04:52 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. "Young people today think work is a four-letter word." |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 05:27 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. hey, by the way, Wellstone supported DOMA |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
4. She also supported attacking welfare, and convinced Bill to sign the Republican |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 11:51 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Al Gore was the president's pointman on welfare reform |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 11:53 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Spread the credit around. Gore gored the poor. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 09:19 AM Response to Reply #8 |
71. As A Matter Of Curiousity, Mr. Joad |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
5. Mrs. Clinton's Record of *Leadership* in The Senate |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. yeah, I can add to the list |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 12:09 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. And Also - Increasing The Size of our Military |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Good! |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 04:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
28. Outstanding! |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
11. Senator Clinton has done a great job for ALL of New York State......... |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
14. She can lead but I don't want to follow where she's heading. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
15. Deleted message |
NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 03:01 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 04:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
32. Is that real Magic Wand or a Sears Magic Wand? |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
18. OH, Here it comes! The 3rd Party threat! |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 02:48 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. We're a big tent. But I wish we wouldn't let people back into our party that would be that stupid. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. that's the spirit |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 10:11 AM Response to Reply #23 |
78. The Court alone is good enough reason |
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Alamom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 04:44 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. ABAR or I. eom |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 04:52 PM Response to Reply #19 |
30. No matter how many times some people say "make it so" |
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juajen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 11:29 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. Ah, hush! |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 04:53 PM Response to Reply #18 |
31. Actually the "third party threat" comes from guys like Lieberman. |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 05:11 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. What a cop out! |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
22. What you have described isn't really leadership |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 03:51 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. and here, ladies and gentlemen, is another example of setting the bar just out of her reach. |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 07:34 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. NOt really, nothing you said indicated any sort of personal leadership |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 09:07 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. and here, ladies and gentlemen, is another example of setting the bar just out of her reach. |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 10:22 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Get real... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 07:17 AM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Solo_in_MD, I have never been otherwise. "Personal leadership" is a subjective term |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 07:16 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Latest in a long line of examples...nt |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
26. On at least one claim she clearly inflated her role |
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primative1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 07:05 AM Response to Original message |
39. Could you point out something She has done in the Senate? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 07:16 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. you could start by reading the thread. At least two posts contain that info. Including one of mine |
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primative1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 07:24 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. I assume you refer to your post number 10 ... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 07:29 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. wait a minute now. What difference does it make what effect they had? |
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primative1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 07:45 AM Response to Reply #44 |
49. You want to talk Kucinich? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 07:59 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Sure. And let's use YOUR standards. What EFFECTS has anything he's said had? |
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primative1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 08:03 AM Response to Reply #51 |
56. He has succeded in steering the conversation ... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 08:04 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. only in that little corner you reside in... unless you have documented examples...? |
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primative1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 08:06 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Hmm ... last I heard ... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 08:07 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. he's pandering to the leftwing fanbase |
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primative1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 08:18 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. And back to the topic DeJur |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 08:24 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. no, see. She actually gets things done. Kucinich TALKS about getting things done. |
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primative1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 09:01 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Hmm ... |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 09:09 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Pathetic.... |
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primative1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 09:13 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Left wing -right wing .... |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 09:13 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Yeah...way to avoid the topic...nt |
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primative1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 09:14 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. By you ... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 09:28 AM Response to Reply #66 |
72. no, you concluded that. |
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primative1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 09:34 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Oh, we must continue then ... |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 09:43 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Pointless... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 09:44 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. rope a dope is a great way to describe it. |
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primative1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. Geez .... |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 08:03 AM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Controversial? |
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primative1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 08:04 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Well that would make the vote controversial then ,wouldnt it? |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 08:10 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Not to his fan base it wouldn't... |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 07:34 AM Response to Reply #39 |
46. ... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 07:37 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. But Saveelemer... |
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primative1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 08:00 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Really? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 08:01 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. I guess sarcasm is lost on you. |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 04:04 PM Response to Reply #54 |
81. ... |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 08:36 AM Response to Reply #48 |
64. If she HAD those three conjectured items, the situation would be different |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 08:38 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. those were ficticious examples to show how nothing is good enough for the left.. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 09:39 AM Response to Reply #65 |
74. The problem is that the example of Hillary does not test that theory |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 09:45 AM Response to Reply #74 |
77. the anti-Hillary posters in this thread proves that theory |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. i agree that SOME people may fit that |
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enough already (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 07:30 AM Response to Original message |
45. Our soldiers are dying in Iraq thanks to her leadership abilities |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 07:35 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Why try again when I succeeded the first time? |
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enough already (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 07:54 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. She doesn't have any of those things... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 08:00 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. the diversion is yours. |
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