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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 02:19 PM
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Lieberman Attacks Reid: ‘We Should Not Surrender In The Face Of Barbarism’
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/

Lieberman Attacks Reid: ‘We Should Not Surrender In The Face Of Barbarism’

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) is under fire from the right over his statement yesterday that the military in Iraq “is lost.”

Reid was called “reckless” and accused of “playing to the worst elements of the antiwar left.” White House Spokeswoman Dana Perino said his comment was “disturbing.” In a new statement, published in full below, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) warns Reid, “We should not surrender in the face of barbarism.”

But Reid’s description of the war isn’t controversial. In fact, one of Bush’s own regular war advisers — Henry Kissinger — agrees with Reid:

Former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who helped engineer the U.S. withdrawal from Vietnam, said Sunday the problems in Iraq are more complex than that conflict, and military victory is no longer possible. (…)

Reid’s remarks also echo senior military officials. Retired Gen. Wiliam Odom, head of Army intelligence and director of the National Security Agency under Ronald Reagan, published an essay in February titled “Victory Is Not An Option.” Also, via TPM Cafe, here’s Gen. Tony McPeak, who served on the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the first Gulf War:

The war in Iraq isn’t over yet, but — surge or no surge — the United States has already lost. That’s the grim consensus of a panel of experts assembled by Rolling Stone to assess the future of Iraq. “Even if we had a million men to go in, it’s too late now,” says retired four-star Gen. Tony McPeak, who served on the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the Gulf War. “Humpty Dumpty can’t be put back together again.“

What Kissinger, Odom, McPeak, and Reid understand is that the mission in Iraq has changed. The United States is now stuck in the middle of a civil war to which there is no military solution, only a political one. Hence the second part of Reid’s statement, which conservatives conveniently drop when levying their attacks: “But there is still a chance to change course — and we must change course.”

Full statement:

WASHINGTON — Senator Joe Lieberman (ID-CT) today made the following statement in response to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s comment that the Iraq War is “lost:”

“This week witnessed horrific terrorist attacks by Islamist extremists in Iraq, killing hundreds of innocent civilians and leading Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to declare that the war is ‘lost.’

With all due respect, I strongly disagree. Senator Reid’s statement is not based on military facts on the ground in Iraq and does not advance our cause there.

Al Qaeda’s strategy for victory in Iraq is clear. They are trying to murder as many innocent civilians as possible in an effort to reignite sectarian fighting and drive us to retreat from Iraq.

The question now before us is whether we respond to these terrorist attacks by running away as Al Qaeda hopes — abandoning the future of Iraq, the Middle East, and ultimately our own security to the very same people responsible for this week’s atrocities — or whether we stand united to fight them.

This is exactly the wrong time to conclude that we have lost the war in Iraq, or that our new strategy has failed. Instead, we should provide General Petraeus and his troops with the time and the resources to succeed. We should not surrender in the face of barbarism.”

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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 02:21 PM
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1. Would someone please kick that asshole lie-berman out of the Democratic party?
He is a disgrace to the entire party.
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Jack Sprat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 02:43 PM
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8. Isn't he out of the party?
I know he still caucuses with our party, but dude is an independent now. He is the Unwanted. The Rethugs will eventually claim him and the Democrats should never discuss political strategy with Lieberman or anything of a sensitive nature. His dementia is a security risk.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 03:33 PM
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15. The Vermont state Democratic party specifically rejected expelling him
so yes, he is a Democrat, legally, even though he ran for office and was elected as an Independent. He caucuses with the Democrats. So, unfortunately, the media is not mistaken to refer to him as a Democrat.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 10:55 PM
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22. Who cares?
Considering he's from CONNECTICUT....
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 02:48 PM
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11. Lieberman
Wait till after the 2008 elections, then boot Leiberman
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 02:24 PM
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2. Holy Joe Lieberman warns us “We should only surrender in the face of FASCISM.”
Gw's FASCIST a$$ is the only a$$ joe wants to kiss.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 02:26 PM
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3. "Mirror, mirror on the wall...." n/t
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 02:39 PM
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6. Image:
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 02:31 PM
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4. Joe uses Republican-speak.
Harry...when will you say enough is enough? Kick Joe off his HS chair assignment. He's no Democrat and you know it.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 02:37 PM
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5. he really shouldn't attack Reid, he is no one to mess with imo.
Joe respectfully--STFU.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 02:40 PM
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7. I think it's barbaric to promise to investigate Katrina disaster, and then renege.
Who's the barbarian, Joe? I think you are. I think you have betrayed your own country, over and over.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 02:45 PM
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9. LIEberman doesn't want surrender, he wants to beome the barbarians
IMO.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 02:46 PM
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10. Retreat is not surrender.
And by the way, an occupation after an illegal invasion is not a war, it is a war crime. What one does when one realizes that one is committing a crime, is to stop committing the crime, and then having stopped, redress the damage done.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 02:49 PM
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12. Barbarism?
The Iraqis are not barbarians. The only Barbarian is....


:smoke:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 02:58 PM
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13. Two thingies, Turncoat Joe
Redeployment is not "surrender"... and you'd have to define "barbarism" better since we have the blood of at least 650,000 dead Iraqis on our hands...

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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 03:25 PM
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14. Who is "We"? Have you put on the uniform, Joe?
Didn't Murtha say something the other day about war boosters sitting in their air-conditioned offices in Washington DC?

(I wish I had the quote) }(
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 04:01 PM
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16. “Even if we had a million men to go in, it’s too late now." What about this do you not get, Joe?
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 05:38 PM
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17. lieberman -- you tapeworm -- you continue to make a living
sucking on the death and suffering of others.

the war was never going to be won because then as now -- we don't know what we're doing -- we can't ''fix'' the iraqis -- only they can.

did you miss the shiite demonstration telling us to go home? -- did you miss the fact that our surge in baghdad has only worsened the human struggle there?

who exactly is barbarian here? we have killed thousands of innocent iraqis mistakenly trying to force our will on them.

you -- lieberman -- are the barbarian threat at the door.

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Celeborn Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 05:43 PM
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18. Lieberman needs to go away.
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Dyedinthewoolliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 05:48 PM
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19. What's this Joe?
We couldn't find WMD's so now we're fighting the war on barbrism? Kiss my ass........ :mad:
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 10:08 PM
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20. "Our new strategy"
Does he mean that big wall? Hey give it a FU (Friedman Unit)!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 10:48 PM
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21. Wasn't Lieberman a chicken hawk like Cheney and the neocons?
Holy Joe would have been of draft age during the Vietnam War. How did he manage to get out of the draft?
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 12:23 AM
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23. I suggest we "surrender" LieBerman
then maybe "they"'ll leave us alone...
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The Gunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 12:26 AM
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24. At least the article correctly labled Leiberman
...(I-CT)
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 07:02 AM
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25. Maybe we should stop acting like barbarians first, Joe. nt
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