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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 04:41 PM
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Al From, Harold Ford, getting the ideas ready, will be "policy shop" for 08 candidate.
They are getting the ideas ready. I guess they figure that is their role, though they appear to have assigned it to themselves. Some of their ideas are good, some....like the Iraq War which they supported... have devastated our country for a very long time.

I have said they control the party policy, and I have been told I was wrong. I was right, I am right. I intend to keep an eye on those ideas they are going to be coming up with.

Ford's campaign was anti-choice for women, and anti-rights for gays. He did not consider other Democrats his equal in the realm of Christianity. He said Dean might be asked to step down by him and others, not realizing they did not elect him.

If the ideas are good ones and avoid privatizing everything, avoid the word jihadism, one of their favorite words, and quit trying to worry us so much on Iran....there might some worthwhile stuff. They are going to set the policy. The DNC chairman was told not to do so, and not to speak out on policy, though a little creeps through now and then. Hard to keep good old Howard Dean quiet for too long.

From Politico:

Candidates Need Big Ideas, Not Big Money

By Harold Ford and Al From.

Comment from me: Al From recently said they did not have to "bend knee to noisy party activists."


Since there is no longer serious debate at our party conventions -- and our platforms are anything but binding -- the presidential primaries are the one time that we can have a serious debate within a political party among candidates who represent competing philosophies and ideas. The winners' philosophies and ideas define their parties. Think Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton.

..."So the next best course would be for those same leaders to demand an ideas primary starting right now -- a real debate over their party's and our country's direction. During the coming eight months, party leaders, including the potential candidates, should be encouraged to discuss their ideas, individually and collectively, at forums and debates across the country. Their message should be clear: Ideas matter most, and every voter in every state has a right to know what their next president will actually do.

..."As we know from personal experience, soliciting political dollars is time-consuming and hard work. But it's hardly the best way for candidates to prepare to lead and govern our nation. New challenges demand new thinking. The next eight months could define America's future for as much as the next eight years. Let the ideas primary begin.


And don't forget, Chairman Harold Ford of the DLC himself announced that the DLC would be the policy shop. This sounds like they are doing what they tried to do during the election for DNC chairman...

They wanted to make a two-tiered level of chairmanship, with one setting policy and keeping out the "noisy activists"...and the other one, the DNC trying to include those noisy passionate activists. They tried to do that before with Simon Rosenberg as the "face" of the party and Dean working behind the scenes out of view. It did not work. Dean has been quiet but not out of the picture.

Here are Ford's words about setting policy.

Harold Ford says the DLC will be the "policy shop" for the 08 nominee.

"In a lengthy interview last week with a handful of reporters, Ford outlined his plans for the DLC -- ranging from its involvement in the 2008 presidential race to its work as the policy shop for the eventual Democratic nominee.

"This is the incubator," Ford said of the DLC, which was founded in 1985 in the wake of Ronald Reagan's landslide reelection. "If you look at the last ten great domestic policy ideas in the last 10-15 years ... 75 percent have come out of this organization."


No, Harold, this "noisy activist" wants to be part of the policy making now.




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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 04:42 PM
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1. phUck them phUck them phUck them phUck them phUck them
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 04:47 PM
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2. I am not filled with confidence.
Pretty much the ONLY way we don't clean up in 08 is by listening to the DLC.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 05:31 PM
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3. "bend knee to noisy party activists"
and I don't have to bend over and take it from you From. You really want me out of the party? Do you? Sorry but the party WILL LOSE WITHOUT OUR VOTE. Still want us out Mr. From, sire?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 05:39 PM
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4. Get the new book "Sell Out Your Ideals and Beliefs for Success"!
From and Ford could co-write the book. Oh wait, they're writing it now...

:argh:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:11 PM
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16. ONly there's
No "Sucess"...RATS..back to the drawing board.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 05:50 PM
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5. What if the nominee isn't a DLC'er?
Will they accept them as their policy shop? I know I can't stay in the party if they are to determine party positions without progressive input. I say that without reservation.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 05:57 PM
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7. Two of the three front runners are (or were).
And Obama is close, but, not quite. Much better than the other two, but still closer to the DLC on some issues than the DNC.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 06:17 PM
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12. There were more democrats in that camp that
have since created some distance between themselves and the organization now that the DLC is becoming more strident. I will watch closely their stances. What I've had enough of is my vote being taken advantage of while at the same time being told I'm no longer welcome by their mouthpieces.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 05:53 PM
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6. Ford's not anti-choice.
Edited on Thu Apr-19-07 05:55 PM by Clark2008
And, please, get over the fact that he didn't want Dean to campaign in Tennessee. Dean got 4 percent of the vote here during the 2004 primaries - Ford's decision was political, not personal.

That's said, no, I am not a DLC supporter.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 06:00 PM
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8. Ford had no right to denounce him on the Imus show.
And question his religious beliefs and strengths. He had no right to tell him not to appear in TN.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 06:01 PM
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9. Sure he did.
It's guaranteed in the First Amendment.

And, as I recall, he said he didn't want him to appear in TN - he didn't threaten him with bodily harm if he showed up.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 06:11 PM
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11. Then I have a right to be critical of Ford via that amendment.
Harold Ford talked down in a elitist way about Dean and those who supported him. He did on public TV. He questioned Dean's Christianity and pumped his own virtue..

There was no excuse for that.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:13 PM
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17. REally! There's a way to do something
and there's a way not to..ford sounds like he has ISSUES with Dean.

I wonder if one of them is THE GREEN EYED MONSTER?
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 06:11 PM
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10. So the Giuliani wing of the Republican Party will have a voice in our Democratic primaries
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 07:31 PM
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13. Harold Ford endorsed Joe Lieberman over the Democratic nominee, Ned Lamont
Al From is a sexually frustrated Rockefeller Republican. Are these the assholes that are going to dictate to us what to think?
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:00 PM
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14. Screw them. Screw the Democratic Party if this is what dominates it...
I'm ready to just become one of the apathetic. It's over.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:09 PM
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15. Oh, they
(dino loser club)have some "big ideas" allright..they just stink.

One of them is railing on the "noisy activists" who vote..that's got to be one of the loser ideas of all time.

They're such egomaniacs.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:20 PM
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18. Here's the reference....
about the "noisy activists" made in November right after the election. Took an edge off the win.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1227
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