Can women trust Kerry if the intern story is true?

[KaraokeKarlton]

I don't think they can. If a married man has an affair he is disrespecting his wife. If a married man running for president has an affair he is an idiot. Now, I've heard plenty of Kerry supporters go on and on about how Dean's straight talk isn't "presidential". Well, what is "presidential" about cheating on your wife in the middle of a run for the highest elected office in the freaking country? If a person can't keep control of their own penis, how on earth can they be trusted to keep control of an entire country? The presidency is about judgement, and having GOOD judegement. If this story is true, then Kerry is serioiusly lacking the ability to make good judgements. He has rarely gotten a vote right in how many years now? And women...if Kerry can't be trusted to respect his own wife, who he supposedly loves, how can we trust him to respect women in general? This isn't a story about some affair a decade ago. This is a story about an affair during THIS RACE! What on earth was he thinking? Better yet...was he thinking at all?

Now before anyone says a candidate's sexual behavior doesn't matter, I'll remind you that there was a very loud riot on here about Arnold's groping and gang bangs and if this story were about Bush there would be widespread outrage. If this story is true, Kerry is finished. No one wants to go through another controversial Democratic presidency where the Commander in Chief can't be trusted to keep his pants on in the presence of female interns.

[Julien Sorel]

1. I think we should ask the Vermont women what they think.

Vermonters have demonstrated their superiority to the rest of the nation already, so why beat around the bush, as it were?

[Maddy McCall]

2. Yeah, and maybe one of the four of them will respond.

:-)

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[mitchum]

18. LOL!

You guys have to stop it. My laughter is scaring the cats

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[Toucano]

43. That's misanthropic

and verging on obscene.

Nice!

[mitchum]

15. LOL!

good and nasty (that's the way I like it)

[dave29]

3. I find it especially telling

that all the men whom have dropped out seem to be endorsing Kerry, whereas Moseley-Braun endorsed Dean. Not trying to get too deep into the gender issue, but the boys club mentality in Washington has gotten a bit stale, hasn't it.

[lancdem]

5. Well, Dean has been endorsed by Gore and Bill Bradley

The last time I checked, they were men.

[THUNDER HANDS]

7. and I'm sure

the fat check the Dean campaign wrote her had NOTHING AT ALL to do with her endorsement of him. :)

[Foswia]

8. CMB and poltics, can we say Fitzgerald? [nt]

[Toucano]

38. Didn't CMB endorse Dean

before he had the stink of loser on him?

Who did Graham endorse when he dropped out?
Who has Lieberman endorsed?

[formernaderite]

41. Dean is definitely the most woman friendly candidate...

...now in the race. Same wife whom he respects enough not to parade around like a campaign flier.

[Desertrose]

4. I am waiting for proof or verification on this story...no need

to run with rumors.

What goes on in a marriage/relationship should be private....even for public figures. No one else knows what is going on between those directly involved.
There is no point in getting all righteous til all the facts are presented.

JMHO

Peace
DR

[Maddy McCall]

12. Well said, DR.

[Greylady]

26. Where is Kerry?

If someone accused me of cheating on my husband I would be pounding on their door wanting to know what the hell was up. Why is Kerry silent about this?

[ModerateMiddle]

6. Might be interesting to wait for a few facts

before deciding his fate, eh?

[slor]

9. Can humans trust bush now that...

he has made it clear that he wants to destroy the world?

[DODI]

11. I see this as a non-issue

I am hard pressed to name any president, good or bad, republican or democrat who did not cheat on his wife.

[Cuban_Liberal]

13. Jimmy Carter, Gerald, Ford, Ronald Reagan, Harry Truman...

That help at all?

[Desertrose]

23. but are you sure?

I mean really...how does anyone know this...and why should we care??
I;m more concerned with issues rather than this non-issue.

I 'm not a Kerry supporter but these kinds of things "don't grow corn" as the saying goes.....

:shrug:

peace
DR

[Cuban_Liberal]

31. You may not be concerned, but...

... the sexually-repressed electorate WILL be, I can assure you.

[DODI]

32. I did not say they all cheated, just a large number of them.

and Ronnie cheated on his first wife.

[HawkerHurricane]

47. Leave out Ford and Reagan

But you can add Nixon.

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[ModerateMiddle]

20. hehe

been following along long now?

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[HawkerHurricane]

46. You, sir, are a liar.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=321953#322088

Isn't one of the commandments of your Gawd 'Thou shalt not bear false witness'?

Of course, given that you are a liar, you fit in with the Republican Party, and I predict you will have a long and sucessful career with them.

[bowens43]

17. If you don't trust him, vote for someone else.

It's silly to compare sexual abuse and groping to a consensual affair.
And frankly, like the Monica thing, true or not, it's none of our business. I don't remember anyone complaining about Arnold's gang bangs, the complaint was about the hypocrisy of republicans supporting him after trashing Clinton.

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[quinnox]

27. LOL

Heh heh.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

Or Kerry is a PNAC'er and using an AL Jazerra article to support it

even though it was handily debunked by Salon and AIPAC's own site demonstrating no funds to Kerry

[mitchum]

33. LOL!

YOU are my favorite doctor

[Feanorcurufinwe]

42. My favorite thread was the outrage over Kerry using his initials.

[2004Donkeys]

21. The only person who cared about Schwarzenegger's groping was Gray Davis

Those allegations didn't work against Clinton, Arnold, and they will not work against Kerry.

[mitchum]

22. So is THIS the final straw...

finally?

[IndianaGreen]

24. Will independents want 4 years of Clintonian sex scandals?

That's the real question!

[Cuban_Liberal]

36. In a word, no.

That's why IF this is true, John Kerry must NOT be our nominee.

[maddezmom]

25. waiting for the facts

drudge and kos don't do it for me.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

28. There we go confusing consensual sex with groping

And please don't pretend to be asking an objective question.

[Exgeneral]

29. IF it is true and Kerry STILL gets the nomination

there will be some very bitter maple syrup coming from vermont this winter

Better give up the waffle, John.

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[Toucano]

35. Whoa! This is outrageous.

The private sexual relationship of two individuals is nobody's business and has absolutely no bearing on a person's qualifications to lead or "control" the entire country. (Do you really want the president to control you?)

If John did "cheat" on his wife, that's between John and Teresa. For all I know, she's got the pool boy to amuse her. It wouldn't be any business of mine if she did. You don't know the intimate details of their love life, so you can't conclude that he's disrespecting her.

Arnold's groping was not a consensual relationship. It's an assault, and you know that's different.

If the story were about Bush, there would be widespread outrage because he's a hypocritical liar, defending the sanctity of marriage. John Kerry never claimed to be that.

I'm really suprised by this post coming from you. The right-wing fundamentalist preacher bit doesn't look good coming from a Dean supporter.

[loudnclear]

37. If every married woman dumped her husband for an affair there would

be very few first marriages around...probably including your parents'.

[loudnclear]

40. Let's ask Rush, Newt, Hyde, Delay, Bennett, etc about what they think

about extramarital affairs? Ask Ronnie...if he was askable about jane Wyman and his affair with Nancy.

[eissa]

39. Yes

It didn't bother me with Clinton and it wouldn't bother me with Kerry (it it were true, which considering the source, I doubt it). Bush may not have cheated on Laura, but his policies (abortion specifically) have been very anti-women. Clinton signed the Family Medical Leave Act, which was enormously beneficial to pregnant working women, was pro-choice, and his policies were great for women, even if he isn't the world's best husband.

Can we PLEASE stick to real issues instead of allowing idiotic rw propaganda influence such an important decision?

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[oldcoot]

45. Do you trust Bush?

To the best of my knowledge, Bush is a faithful husband. Yet his record on women's issues is terrible. He also got this country into a destructive and unnecessary war, which has disrupted and destroyed the lives of Iraqi women. As a woman, I cannot think of anything more terrifying than another four years of Bush. If Kerry gets the nomination, I will vote for him, even if these accusations are true, because I have no other alternative.

[Guava Jelly]

48. Women Loved Clinton

it was the redneck conservative repukes who hated Clinton

[Zomby Woof]

49. FDR, JFK, Clinton...

To name a few prominent Democratic presidents, had their share of infidelities.

Other great Democrats were faithful husbands, like Truman and Carter.

Republicans had cheating presidents too, like Bush Sr (Babs made him dump the mistress when running for VP with Reagan in 1980, but I doubt if he complied). Nixon was faithful to Pat, but I would rather have a president faithful to the Constitution, since I am not electing a spouse.

So you see, marital fidelity, while a virtue, is not a pre-requisite for the office, no matter which party, or how good or bad the president is.

[Moderator]

50. Locking.....

8. If you make a highly questionable and inflammatory factual assertion about a candidate, you must provide a link to a reputable source to back up your claim. Rumor-mongering is not allowed. Allegedly "innocent" questions which are actually an underhanded effort to spread rumors are not allowed. If you really need to know the answer to your question, try Google.

This story is still a rumor. If you have a link from a credible source which is not Drudge, please feel free to repost with that link.


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