Counterpunch has called John Kerry a war criminal, Howard Dean a gay basher.

[wyldwolf]

... and has claimed Howard Dean Backs The Occupation of Iraq, among other questionable things. Is Counterpunch a reliable source?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

1. It is an extremely reliable source...

...of bullshit.

[wyldwolf]

3. LOL! Good answer.

[tech3149]

29. It depends on the author

Some have their own twisted bias depending on the subject. Cockburn has always been one I found to be overly critical of everyone.

[dorkulon]

2. Talk about a push poll! (nt)

[DancingBear]

30. Don't worry

Someone's just a bit peeved today.

Can't imagine why...

[Mass]

4. They called Kucinich pro-war. That should tell us something!

[wyldwolf]

6. I'm not surprised.

[zanne]

5. Please give examples.

Otherwise, it sounds like sour grapes.

[wyldwolf]

8. sure...

Counterpunch sings "John Kerry is a War Criminal!"

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07292004.html

[zanne]

13. Wow. I usually enjoy Alexander Cockburn...

But that article was more than over-the-top. It belongs in a Hollywood gossip magazine. Thanks for the example.

[William769]

7. I can always count on you wyldwolf.

Keep up the good work.

[wyldwolf]

9. yes, my polls do bring out the "best" in DU, don't they?

[Alamom]

10. .

[fasttense]

11. I love polls

:loveya:

[Kurovski]

31. It's the only way we really get to vote in America these days.

[wyldwolf]

12. John Kerry's pro-Wall Street, pro-war, anti-labor, anti-middle class...

... right-wing presidential campaign...

Adrian Kuzminsky, Counterpunch (August 18 2004)

[wyldwolf]

14. "Howard Dean: He's Regressive, NOT Progressive... Dean may well be a Zionist.... "

http://www.counterpunch.org/frank08092003.html

[seemslikeadream]

15. We rarely think people have good sense

We rarely think people have good sense unless they agree with us.

[wyldwolf]

16. "We must have strong minds, ready to accept facts as they are."

[seemslikeadream]

17. To recognize the significant in the factual is wisdom.

To understand reality is not the same as to know about outward events. It is to perceive the essential nature of things. The best-informed man is not necessarily the wisest. Indeed there is a danger that precisely in the multiplicity of his knowledge he will lose sight of what is essential. But on the other hand, knowledge of an apparently trivial detail quite often makes it possible to see into the depth of things. And so the wise man will seek to acquire the best possible knowledge about events, but always without becoming dependent upon this knowledge. To recognize the significant in the factual is wisdom.

[wyldwolf]

21. They like to pretend they live in a universe where there are no facts...

...everything is a matter of opinion, and all opinions are equally valid. And, of course, they do live in just such a universe. Unfortunately, it exists entirely inside their own poorly-stocked minds.



Coker, W. Rory, Professor
Nuclear reaction theory, medium energy nuclear reactions and scattering

[seemslikeadream]

23. "I have long ceased to believe in the universities."

http://www.victorshepherd.on.ca/Heritage/deitrich.htm

Leadership in the confessing church was desperately needed. Bonhoeffer returned to Germany in order to teach at an underground seminary at Finkenwald, near Berlin. Not one of the university faculties of theology had sided with the confessing church. Bonhoeffer commented tersely, "I have long ceased to believe in the universities."

A pacifist early in the war, Bonhoeffer came to see that Hitler would have to be removed. He joined with several high-ranking military officers who were secretly opposed to Hitler and who planned to assassinate him. The plot was discovered in April, 1943. Bonhoeffer would spend the rest of his life – the next two years – in prison. Underground plans were in place to help him escape when it was learned that his brother Klaus, a lawyer, had been arrested. Bonhoeffer declined to escape lest his family be punished. (He was never to know that his brother was executed in any case, along with Hans von Dohnanyi, his brother-in-law.)

Bonhoeffer always knew that it is where we are, by God’s providence, that we are to exercise the ministry God has given us. His ministry henceforth was an articulation and embodiment of gospel-comfort to fellow-prisoners awaiting execution. Captain Payne Best, an Englishman, survived to bear tribute to the prison-camp pastor: "Bonhoeffer was different, just quite calm and normal, seemingly perfectly at his ease. . . . His soul really shone in the dark desperation of our prison. He was one of the very few men I have ever met to whom God was real and ever close to him."

Bonhoeffer was removed from the prison and taken to Flossenburg, an extermination camp in the Bavarian forest. On April 9, three weeks before American forces liberated Flossenburg, he was executed. Today the tree from which he was hanged bears a plaque with only ten words inscribed on it: Dietrich Bonhoeffer, a witness to Jesus Christ among his brethren.

[wyldwolf]

24. There are in fact two things, science and opinion: the former begets knowledge. the latter ignorance

[seemslikeadream]

25. opinion: the former begets knowledge. the latter ignorance

so very true


Is Counterpunch a reliable source?

[wyldwolf]

26. right. Science begets knowledge, opinon begets ignorance

Is Counterpunch a reliable source?

Is John Kerry a war Criminal?

[jonnyblitz]

18. aaah, the guy who likes to drop nukes on civilians.

my hero.

[seemslikeadream]

20. I guess it would depend on the country

[MrPrax]

19. It was written nearly three years ago?

July 29, 2004?

I thought that was a little strange as neither Kerry or Dean are topical with anyone -- which is odd, given their party finally won a Congressional majority. :eyes:

Democratic timidity and how utterly ineffectual Pelosi has been in not making more headway against a sitting Republican President who is destined to be more hated than Nixon and has been abandoned by his own party, is usually the topic of his acid pen these days...

That's THE topic for most people these days -- not some OLD democratic strategy of running some ultra rich Bostonian war hero for President during an unpopular war, so they could draw attention to the 'non-military' background of the incumbent... most voters.

[wyldwolf]

22. uh... so?

[MrPrax]

35. uh...so

You screwed up and didn't read the date...

"uh...so" ... if you wanted to slag CP, you could grab something more current...like his last column in which he trashed Giuliani...for being a hypocritical phoney that people are wasting their time, money and energy on, if they are serious about wanting changes in their country.

[wyldwolf]

36. No, I read the date. What does the date have to do with it? Have they recanted their story since?

[LoZoccolo]

27. As I recall, they were the source of the "man boobs in Haiti" story against Clark.

The one spread here by conspiracy theorist seventhson.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=108532

seventhson unmasked as a troll on election night 2004.

[AtomicKitten]

28. I voted #3.

On a preponderance of the evidence, Counterpunch is, in fact, crap journalism and a prime example of opinion - scorched earth opinion - that too many people here at DU confuse for fact and then try to pawn off as gospel.

Thanks, wyldwolf. :thumbsup:

[ProSense]

32. Here's an article about CounterPunch:

Does Colby still think the Bush regime is better for the environment than Al Gore would have been? Hard to say. Maybe he's seen the (green) light, by now? However, I see little reason for hope in his "if you put a gun to my head" lukewarm praise for Rep. Kucinich or his past comments attacking the most liberal Democrats even including Paul Wellstone:

Ties to Counter Punch aside, Colby has been defaming liberal Democrats with factually inaccurate attacks for years. In 1997, he blasted all Democrats who he claims "all but" sold their souls. He declared all Democrats "ideologically bankrupt" -- too tainted to support. Why? Because they *gasp* spent money trying to win elections, and *shudder* supported duly elected President Bill Clinton's "shameless presidency." Is this a reference to sexual McCarthyism?

It might be a broadside against all the peace and prosperity of the Clinton / Gore years which compelled Colby to urge voters to support anyone but Al Gore in 2000. Colby even presaged St. Clair and Cockburn when he bashed Paul Wellstone with this misstatement:

"(A)ll of them, yes, even your favorite son Wellstone, had to all but sell their souls to raise millions upon millions of dollars, much of it from corporate sources...." See: Colby's letter to The Progressive Populist: http://www.populist.com/1.97.Letters.html for the complete text of Colby's anti-Wellstone attacks.

Colby has every right to endorse and support Bush and otherwise help the right wing while attacking people like Wellstone and Dean as "ideologically bankrupt" or "not even a liberal." Hypocrisy isn't illegal, and Colby is a master at it.

more

Lots of links.

[seemslikeadream]

33. If we must resort to banning and censorship, we are the fascists.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=646211&mesg_id=646211

[wyldwolf]

34. has anyone on this thread advocated that?