The Reverend Al

[primative1]

Since I keep hearing his name and seeing his offended face, I got to wondering ...
What ever became of the good "Reverend"s financial snafoos involving our tax dollars from the last run around the park? Remember these stories ..


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/07/politics/campaign/07SHAR.html?ex=1391576400&en=3ed56e321a4f7fb7&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3925831

Details anyone?

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[Captain Hilts]

4. Rev. Al IS a race-baiting charlatan. And Jesse Jackson called NYC "Hymietown."

You know, the head of New Jersey NOW is a black woman, god forbid the networks interview her about this incident.

[wisteria]

9. I agree. The Black community could do better than this guy.

They had a wonderful man in MLK, now they have opportunists out for themselves.

[Freddie Stubbs]

12. There already is a credible African American runnning for President:

[NormanYorkstein]

39. Al Sharpton doesn't represent the "Black Community"

Sharpton represents no one but himself. No matter how much the media would have you believe otherwise!

[Captain Hilts]

52. That's right! Another example of lazy media. nt

[beaconess]

49. And the white community could do better than Bush, Cheney, Imus, Limbaugh, Dahmer . . .

Oh, wait a minute. The entire "white community" is not held responsible for the actions of individual white people. That collective blame is only reserved for black people.

[DuaneBidoux]

26. 693 posts is a newbie?

So people who are African American can't be hypocrites, or dishonest or self serving?

Just wondering.

[MADem]

2. Do some googling and let us know. NT

[primative1]

3. I did ..

Stories seem to have faded away unresolved

[MADem]

5. There ya go, then. NT

[primative1]

6. Not so quickly ...

If someone gets bagged using tax dollars to lavish themselves then just maybe we all deserve an apology.

[Raven]

8. Reverend Al is not the story...stick to the main tent and avoid

the sideshows. Al is a sideshow.

[wisteria]

10. Rev Al created this circus and lynch mob, he deserves the scrutiny. n/t

[Lost4words]

15. Al will survive, nothing to see here just fish fumgus!

8643

[primative1]

16. Exactly ..

Seems only fitting that since this is Reverand Als show (by his own choice) then why shouldnt he be the guest of honor?
Man thrives on attention

[Lost4words]

27. Not!

[Lerkfish]

7. soooooooo...this makes Imus ok?

:shrug:

[wisteria]

14. Imus has been made a scapegoat. His words were wrong and stupid

but he never meant them to be racist or sexist. An apologize should have been enough along with fair warning and the suspension.
Sharpton was out for to create outrage to promote himself and raise money.
No one condones Imus' words, even Imus, but he didn't deserve to be made the scapegoat for all that is wrong with society today especially by a man like Sharpton.
Frankly, I hope he is exposed soon. The Black community needs a real honest leader like MLK. Sharpton is none of these things.

[Lerkfish]

18. LOL! here's how I analyze the position on the perceived "double standard"

I think the Sharpton attackers and Imus defenders are LESS upset about Sharpton and MORE upset that Imus is not free to make racist remarks without consequences.

I think Sharpton is frankly a smokescreen for the lament that white racists aren't "free" enough to spount hate speech.

Since Sharpton was not attacked until yesterday, it was not a priorty for you.

see?

Let's just be honest, here. People are upset that there are direct consequences for racist language and hatespeech.

In other words, If Imus had no consequences, we would not be having this conversation about Sharpton.

[Lost4words]

20. Spot On!

[Bluerthanblue]

22. ding ding ding!!!! nailed it. eom

[primative1]

23. Lol .. you miss the point of the thread ..

I have listened to IMUS a grand total of once in my life (@2004) and personly wish the entire genere of "talk" radio would just go away ... hate radio serves no good use ...poof, be gone ...
enough about IMUS.
This thread is about Reverend Al (doesnt he do talk radio also?).
Before we are expected to grasp him as a spokesperson for our progressive community wouldnt it be wise to take a closer look? He keeps moving us onward? ... where, to 1965? What dont I get here? I see nothing but a see through phony right down to the need to wrap his message in some tax dodge title. Please!

[Lerkfish]

25. No, but I'm seeing the point of POSTING the thread well enough.

[Lost4words]

28. We are not missing the point,... you are.

[primative1]

29. Since your so quick on the uptake ..

Here is a point to ponder ...
College sports ... why bother? People (other than the Reverand Al) took the IMUS comments as a slap on women via a slap on womens sports ... in college?
Here's an idea.
Since colleges are now required to fund womens sports at a level equal to lucrative mens sports what is the net result?
Higher tuitions for one and all?
Plug in that math next time you cut your student loan check.
Ever wonder during March madness why all those kids arent studying their calculus like the rest of the overcharged student body?
Why not teach them something actualy useful while they are in school? If I hear another qute about "tommorows leaders" I will barf. :)

[Lost4words]

35. If I read another one of your posts I will barf.

I dont watch collegiate sports. You sound like a young person to me are you?

[primative1]

37. Nah ...

Old enough to have seen a thing or two but not so old as to have stopped caring.

[Lost4words]

42. I think otherwise, you give yourself away.

best of luck to you

[primative1]

43. Your probably right ..

I might have stopped caring. At least some of the time :)

[Lost4words]

36. So you dont like women either? Who do you like?

[endarkenment]

50. brilliant analysis. nt

[beaconess]

51. BAM!!!

[Lost4words]

19. Are you in the position to say what the Black community needs?

Like who are you??? Imus deserves everything he gets.


I know the black community.

The Black community is a friend of mine.

You are no black community!



Take a good look at the WHITE communities leaders.
ie. the little dope in the whitehouse. The repukes had to disqualify a whole lot of black votes for that to happen.

Do you get paid to make such posts, its the only reason I can come up with.

8643

[endarkenment]

48. "he never meant them to be racist or sexist"

uh - bullshit. Did you even read the transcript? The whole segment was racist and sexist, mean spirited and hateful. Have you listened to the Imus show? Racism, sexism, and homophobia are built in - scripted in - as regular parts of the show. This was not a one time occurence, not a slip of the tongue, not a mistake. It was racist, it was hateful, it was vile and demeaning to those young women and it was fully intentional.

[endarkenment]

11. Get your right wing Imus counterpoints right here!

1.) attack al sharpton
2.) attack jesse jackson
3.) attack snoop dog
4.) wail on about hypocrisy
5.) portray Imus as a victim of a lynch mob

[Tarheel_Dem]

17. spot on.....

talk about "victomhood". From the many posts on this topic, you would think that Imus is the "victim" here? Sometimes I can't believe the stuff I read here is actually coming from progressive minded people.

[Lost4words]

21. I trully believe these are disrupters and not true progressives.

8643

[Bluerthanblue]

24. another Ding ding ding !!! eom

[NormanYorkstein]

38. there's nothing right-wing about attacking Al Sharpton

He takes money from rich Republicans in NY. The guy is no saint and he is NOT a spokesperson for anyone except himself. He's a media creation and has displayed little integrity throughout his entire career.

[endarkenment]

44. There is in this context.

Their counter offensive is to attack other people as 'just as bad as Imus', claim hypocrisy, and portray Imus as a victim. It isn't a bad strategy, plus they can count on idiots on our side to find some merit in their bullshit and carry their water for them by propagating bits and pieces of their nonsense with the best of intentions.

I disagree with Sharpton on many issues, but Al's problems are not the issue here, they are a diversion.

[primative1]

46. Ah what the heck ...

I'll take a crack at it.
Some people, myself included, find it helpful when evaluating a message's merit, to KNOW who the messenger is. That knowledge helps paint an overall context to how one should react to the message.
Obviously you havent found this helpful for some time.
I am reminded of the tale about the boy who cried wolf once to often ... but that was just fiction.

[NormanYorkstein]

47. I don't think so

Saying you didn't want Imus fired isn't really "right wing" either. I'm just tired of people who disagree with the issue du jour being attacked as "right wing". Democrats don't hold the same opinion about everything, and disagree with liberals doesn't make you "right wing".

[Lost4words]

13. I like Al Sharpton, I think he is a good guy. Imus IMO is pond scum.

just another stinking drunk junkie white old asshole.

[DuaneBidoux]

31. I do remember one thing from the last presidential debates:

Sharpton was the only one dealing with the real issues that would make a difference for Americans, not to mention that he was one of the few that sounded like an old fashioned honest to goodness Dem.
I also thought he sounded like he was one of the more intelligent dem candidates. But like everyone, he doesn't by any means represent all my beliefs. Having said all that, I don't think he is, more than anyone else, immune to hypocrisy or self serving behavior.

I did see him on Today show this morning and he said one thing that bothered me. He said the FCC should ban the "n" word and several other racist words as well as banning the word "ho."

As disgusting as I find that language I am generally uncomfortable with government messing with what can be said over the airwaves (including the fact that I think I should be able to watch Jon Stewart without having him bleeped) and if I want to watch sexually provocative programming I think I should be able to do so.

As far as Imus, from what I can gather (and I wouldn't know since I have never listened to him) he has been generally offensive since first being on the air and while I may have a problem with the government telling him what he can say I have no problem with a network firing him because they don't feel he is suitable for them. I also don't have a problem with boycotting sponsors and sponsors pulling ads because he was found to be offensive.

[spooky3]

30. I find the ad hominem attacks on Rev. Sharpton to be offensive

When someone takes a stand on an issue--in this case, sexist, racist comments that are a pattern of bigotry occurring over many years--it is appropriate that people who have alternative views or question the facts speak up about them. It is NOT appropriate that they attack the "messenger". The merits of Rev. Sharpton's arguments are what should be the focus and these have nothing to do with his own perceived charateristics or misdeeds, as there is ample evidence about the arguments themselves to evaluate them.

Rev. Sharpton also is not responsible for, nor powerful enough to stop, the misdeeds of all of the other racists and sexists and other bigots in the world, as some others such as Meredith Viera seem to want to imply. The fact that he has chosen his battles and may have even fought some of the battles others want fought but lost due to a lack of power, is not a sign of hypocrisy and has nothing to do with the present mess that Don Imus put HIMSELF in. It is pretty outrageous to me that some of us are saying to him that, if he has not solved every problem, then how dare he try to be part of the solution to any problem.

When people attack the messenger, I have to look for the motive behind it, and I don't like what I see.

[Tarheel_Dem]

41. Thank you Spooky3....

very thoughtful and well written post. Deflect from Don Imus at all costs, and insert favorite punching bags...Sharpton & Jackson. And believe you me, there is agenda behind it. While I don't always agree with Al Sharpton, this particular incident was caused by Imus himself. Imus is not a "victim".

[spooky3]

45. You're welcome, Tarheel_Dem!

[Bluebear]

32. Gee, which "snafoos" would those be?

All this concern this morning!

[Bluebear]

33. PS I hate to tell you but it's "primitive". nt

[nealmhughes]

34. I'll be honest, I laugh at Al Sharpton more than not. He is occasionally spot on, but I will never

forget the Tawana Brawleyzeit in New York. Al, you helped tie up the airwaves and the printing presses for waaaaay too long, indicting everyone in a unform from Montauk to the Tappen Zee Bridge.
The thoughts of it still make me wish to go bathe with clorox and gargle with salt.

[ShortnFiery]

40. Yes, attack the victims because you don't want to feel guilty. How predictable.

Lovely. :eyes:

I don't agree with many things Reverend Al says, but I have NO DOUBT that he is standing up for ALL PEOPLE'S civil rights.

Just because Imus revealed an ugly TRUISM that sexism and racism are alive and well in the USA, you are shamelessly attempting to change the topic to an African American Spokesman. How immature but it speaks volumes of the people here. :(

Watch out folks, your sexist and racist slips are showing in so many covert ways. If you only knew, you'd blush with embarrassment at all your various "tells." :evilgrin:

[Captain Hilts]

53. But Sharpton and Jackson have racist creds. Again, I was told the head of NJ NOW is a black woman..

is this true? If so, how come no one thought to interview her?

Why Sharpton and Jackson?

[LoZoccolo]

54. Because Sharpton is evidence that the media is insensitive to racial issues.

They will not interview credible civil rights leaders like the one you cite. They will, however, always cover someone who is running around embarrassing him or herself as a spectacle.

[Forkboy]

55. How many people who want to forgive Imus wont forgive Sharpton?

I like this Elmer Fudd like attempt at a smokescreen.