Obama's silence on Imus setting off alarms

[Tellurian]

Candidate faces first test on handling issues of race

By Rick Klein and Joseph Williams, Globe Staff | April 11, 2007

WASHINGTON -- With the Rev. Al Sharpton leading calls Monday for radio host Don Imus to be fired over racially insensitive remarks, Senator Barack Obama's presidential campaign avoided the controversy throughout the day.

Not until Monday evening, five days after Imus's comments were uttered and hours after CBS Radio and MSNBC announced a two-week suspension for the radio host, did Obama weigh in, saying in a statement: "The comments of Don Imus were divisive, hurtful, and offensive to Americans of all backgrounds." Obama did not address whether he thought Imus should be taken off the air.

The episode is the first test of how Obama -- who is of mixed-race background -- is handling the contentious issue of race in his presidential campaign. Even as polls have shown other Democrats attracting a large share of the black vote, Obama has steered clear of the kind of activism symbolized by Sharpton and the Rev. Jesse Jackson, who were both highly visible in the Imus episode but whose aggressiveness on race issues has alienated some white voters in the past.

But with Obama battling other Democrats -- most notably Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York -- for the support of black voters, the candidate's reticence on the Imus issue set off alarms yesterday among some black activists who are anxious to see him more forcefully push for racial justice.Melissa Harris Lacewell, a professor of politics and African-American studies at Princeton University, said Obama missed an opportunity to prove himself to blacks and white liberals who would have wanted Obama take the lead in denouncing Imus.

...Link includes both stories...

RELATED STORY: Team fires back at radio host, OK's meeting

"This was so easy, and his unwillingness to touch it tells me this is going to be his third rail, and race never goes away in politics," Harris Lacewell said. "Black people want to love Barack. They're doing everything they can to love Barack. We want to believe that Barack is better than this. But they will turn on him."

[MannyGoldstein]

1. Which Part of 'Silence' Do I Have A Problem Grasping?

"The comments of Don Imus were divisive, hurtful, and offensive to Americans of all backgrounds."
- Barrack Obama

Seems to me that he said exactly what was called for. (No, I'm not particularly an Obama backer.)

[Tellurian]

4. Read the articles Manny..

There are two articles there with a host of "other" peoples opinions..

[Alexander]

159. "Other" people are often wrong...the IWR supporters were "other" people.

You are being confronted with the facts - that Obama spoke out against Imus early on - and yet you still maintain your position, despite the abundance of evidence to the contrary.

Wyldwolf asked recently "Should factually inaccurate criticisms of Democrats be banned on DU?" - while I suspect he'd conveniently ignore your thread (and any other pro-DLC thread containing lies), it would make for a good candidate for this proposed rule.

Besides, haven't we seen that "other" people are often wrong? Like all those supporters of war in Iraq. Wait, what branch of the Democratic party did most of those "other" people come from?

I guess the opinions of "other" people only matter to you if those people support the DLC. :eyes:

[flpoljunkie]

7. Obama was also the first to issue a statement regarding Imus' comments. You left that out.

The Obama campaign declined to comment yesterday on its handling of the issue. One adviser pointed out, however, that Obama issued a public comment before the other major Democratic candidates -- including Clinton and former senator John Edwards of North Carolina.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/04/11/obamas_silence_on_imus_alarms_some_blacks/

[Tellurian]

29. Where is the link to his earlier comment? nt

[flpoljunkie]

41. Your chosen op-ed to criticize Obama did not include Obama's statement below...

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.): "The comments of Don Imus were divisive, hurtful and offensive to Americans of all backgrounds. With a public platform, comes a trust. As far as I'm concerned, he violated that trust."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/04/the_imus_litmus_test.html

(Obama's statement has also been reported elsewhere online.)

[Tellurian]

42. Well, why is it when I click the Obama link in Wapo's article, it links back here?

Very odd indeed.. any ideas?

[flpoljunkie]

43. I don't understand what you mean. All the links work for me, and they don't "link back here."

And what do you mean "link back here?"

Will check later for your response.

[Tellurian]

74. The Wapo link..

has nothing about Obama's Imus comment pre 4/9.. as stated by someone in his campaign.

so I still don't understand why you linked it?

[goclark]

14. I am African American and I stand behind what he is saying

At this point, that is all that is called for from a candidate.

He knows that Rev. Al and Jesse are taking the lead and the heat right now.

They are the Sentinels and he is giving them the power to do what is necessary.

If he stepped in and tried to take over the issue, they would be offended because they see themselves as the "Activist Leaders" and they do a mighty good job.

One thing that I admire about Sen. Obama is his ability to THINK.
He has two daughters, you can believe he has strong feelings on this issue.

[beaconess]

21. Sharpton and Jackson aren't the only ones speaking out!

Numerous black leaders, commentators, academics, ministers, etc. are speaking. Please don't suggest that Sharpton and Jackson have monopolized this debate!

[goclark]

53. In no way am I giving all the credit to Al and Jesse

I am well aware that they are the Sentinals, not the flock of those of us that are working day and night for justice.

Every Black Leader has spoken out on this issue, reporters, clergy,civil rights groups etc.

[BronxBoy]

81. You wouldn't think it

by reading the media coverage of it

[beaconess]

84. I don't know what media cover YOU'RE watching -

But I've been watching MSNBC and CNN and have seen in just the last 48 hours:

Amy Holmes
Bruce Gordon
Joe Watkins
Roland Martin
Robert George
Ron Christie
Marc Morial
Rev. DeForest Soaries
Dr. Beverly Daniel Tatum
Whoopi Goldberg
Vivien Stringer
Clarence Page
Eugene Robinson
Tamika Ray
Carolyn Kilpatrick

among many others.

Maybe you only NOTICE Sharpton and Jackson, but they are actually getting much less coverage than you seem to believe.

[BronxBoy]

I don't think I made my point clearly

Most of the coverage I've been reading and hearing about this issue, especially commentary, seems to home in on the fact that it's Al and Jesse spearheading this issue and that it would go away if they would just drop it. I listened to 2 nationally syndicated sports shows yesterday and both of the hosts zoomed right in on these 2 individuals and used their involvement to support their claims about about why this wasn't a big deal.

So I know that other people have spoken out but too many outlets are not reporting this.

And I usually don't get snarky in my posts but maybe you should NOTICE that when a person says the media, they can mean more that MSNBC and CNN

[beaconess]

115. People claiming that something would go away if Sharpton and Jackson just shut up

are in denial and are part of the problem - they are just looking for an excuse to make an issue go away that they don't want to deal with.

And if Sharpton and Jackson were struck silent tomorrow, these folks would then bitch about whoever else happened to bring up the issue.

This has nothing to do with Sharpton and Jackson - they're just convenient foils for people who don't like having the issue raised at all.

[elizm]

58. I kinda like that in a person/candidate too..

...Thoughtful actions. His ability to think things through and make careful,thoughtful decisions is definitely one of his strengths. :)

[NCarolinawoman]

59. goclark, I have some African American friends who have no use for Al Sharpton, at all.

They really can't stand him. They like Obama a lot, (and they are actually admirers of Clark because they like his experience.) But they are vehement in their negative feelings toward Sharpton.

I think Obama did just right.

[goclark]

62. There are some African Americans that

don't like Al Sharpton.

There are also some that don't like Obama, I am not one of them. :)

African Americans are like most groups, we have diversity in our opinions.

All I can say is that on balance, Al stands up for our people when others are afraid to speak.

I do recall that there were African Americans that did not like MLK,many hated his speeches about the Vietnam War, Malcolm X, Nat Turner and others that spoke out.

History will judge Al Sharpton better than we can at the moment, IMO.

[Tellurian]

2. One thing for sure, Our Democratic President can't run from controversy

Obama just isn't decisive enough when it comes to acting swiftly and confidently when touchy issues arise..

[NYCGirl]

6. What about Imus' dear friend, Harold Ford Jr.? The one who the DLC bigwigs

wanted to take over the DNC? Has he said anything?

[Cha]

72. Oh, great question!~ Or

does ford have sock in it?

I like Obama's comment on this tragic mess of imus' making..it couldn't be anymore more clear and in a very timely manner.

[BeyondGeography]

11. He did the right thing here

In fact, as the article points out, Obama was the first candidate to have commented on the matter.

But he hasn't been shrill enough for the Sharptonites of the world. More proof that he's smart as hell if you ask me.

[kestrel91316]

48. How does his rather decisive, firm (IMHO) statement constitute

running from controversy??

He's obviously got way too much class to be harping on it endlessly and beating it to death. If Imus were also running for president, I could see keeping the issue up front. But he's NOT.

[Nedsdag]

3. Funny.

What's Edwards' take on this?

Even better, what's Hillary's take on this?

After all, Imus did call her "Satan."

I'm sure Bill Richardson has feelings about this. Imus' "ranch" is in New Mexico.

[AuntPatsy]

13. Sen Clinton stated Imus was way out of line and that she herself

has been subjected to his filth, what is your point?

[Nedsdag]

34. The point is you're eager to jump on Obama

yet you give Hillary and others a pass.

Show some balance.

[AuntPatsy]

39. Me? Where do you read that in my posts?

[Cameron27]

87. Here's Edwards' take:

“If you tolerate this kind of language in your presence, you are essentially sowing the seeds of intolerance,” Edwards said. “And I think all of us have an obligation to speak out and condemn this kind of language when it’s used, no matter who uses it.”

Edwards, though said “we need to see what happens,” in response to questions about Imus being fired or whether he would ever appear on the program again. He noted that Imus intends to meet with the basketball team to express his apology.

“We need to see how this works out, before I make a judgment on that,” Edwards said when asked whether he would appear on Imus’s how. “But the language was absolutely wrong.”


http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2007/04/11/edwards-deplores-imus-comments/

Edited: Here's Clinton's statement:

On her campaign Web site today, Hillary Clinton comments on Don Imus' controversial statement about the Rutgers women's basketball team, and asks viewers to send a message of support to the team. Respondents have the option of signing up for campaign emails.

"Don Imus's comments about them were nothing more than small-minded bigotry and coarse sexism," she says on the Web site. "They showed a disregard for basic decency and were disrespectful and degrading to African Americans and women everywhere. Please join me in sending the young women of Rutgers a message of respect and support. Show them that we are proud to stand with them and for them."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/04/11/131794.aspx

[Dawgs]

5. Oh God, not you again.

Have you posted anything that is pro-Hillary, or has it all been anti-Obama?

[mtnsnake]

9. What a steaming pantload!

Tellurian has posted as much pro-Hillary stuff as anyone, and has got every right to criticize another candidate as you or anyone else does. I'm an Obama fan and I'm glad it's been brought up for discussion. Grow some thick skin.

[Tellurian]

10. Whats the difference?

we know everything there is to know about Hillary-

Obama, not so much. Especially how he reacts under stress...not so good.

[AuntPatsy]

8. Perhaps he is attempting to ensure he is viewed as a candidate for

all Americans, I mean after eight years of having a president who openly states he works only for those that voted for him, I have no wish for more of the same, he is right, Imus and those like him hurt all Americans.

[blm]

16. I think he said enough for now, and that everyone should take their cues from Rutgers women.

and be behind them with whatever way they think it best to come to a resolution with Imus' show.

[Tellurian]

A candidate for the presidency should take their cue from College kids?

really? Thats good advise for a husband in the news business.

For the next leader of the World's Super Power- not so much.

[AuntPatsy]

22. I dont believe that is what that person meant, I believe he or she meant

that those women should be given the voice first to discuss how they feel personaly, after all, they were the victims, not Obama though we all do feel for them on a very personal level.

[blm]

26. Obama made an appropriate statement already, why pretend he didn't?

Anything from here on out should be about backing up those Rutgers women on whatever THEY determine to be a workable resolution.

Hey, I wouldn't pile on a guy who dropped his pants because it wasn't my business and nor would I pile on a guy who dropped a pronoun from a jokeline as a world leader like Bush would do. Would you?

[Tellurian]

45. Where is his earlier than Monday's statement?

someone in the campaign said he made an earlier statement. Earlier than Monday's statement The link posted to the Wapo article links back to this thread. Who's lying and Why?

[AuntPatsy]

20. I definately agree, my husband was on Imus's side until I made him

watch one of the young women talking about her anger and hurt, even he became for once silent, she was obviously an innocent party undeserving of the abuse she received from that person and he didnt make another comment about it all being blown out of proportion.

[mtnsnake]

24. So whats fine for everyone else doesn't hold true for Hillary

If Hillary hadn't made any significant statement yet, I would imagine that you would be the first one throwing a major tantrum about it by now. JMHO.

[blm]

31. Obama made a statement already. To continue to make statements when Rutgers women have

decided a course and are still weighing in is grandstanding.

If Hillary makes a statement no one will hold it against her if she chooses to withhold further judgement till the team has its say, especially since she needs to busy herself with standing up for Pelosi as Obama and every Dem leader should be doing as well.

[mtnsnake]

33. Hillary DID stand up for Pelosi. Did you miss it?

I think it was posted yesterday on a thread.

[blm]

35. No, I did not miss it - that's why I said she should busy herself with that issue

as well as Obama and other Dems because it is has everything to do with equal branches of government that does concern them NOW and for our future.

THAT is the debate they should be making PROMINENT today in their roles as candidates and as Democrats.

[goclark]

55. Well said, AuntPatsy nt

[DFW]

12. Two things I see here

First, the OP wasn't calling Obama totally silent, it was only
making a point that it was rather conspicuous that he took so
much time to formulate his comment.

Second: as the only candidate with African blood and appearance,
my bet is that he didn't want to appear opportunistic here, looking
like he was trying to capitalize on the fact that he had African blood,
and was going to bat for his sisters, ignoring all other issues of the
day.

I think that in the eyes of anyone who was looking to speak negatively
about him, Obama was in a lose-lose situation. Damned if he did, and
damned if he didn't, depending on what you were looking for him to say.

I'm not bothered about it one way or the other, as the situation was a trap
for him if he tried to lead the way, and risked being branded a one-issue
(his race) candidate in the eyes of rightward-leaning swing voters.

[Tellurian]

38. This incident has created a vacuum within the black community..

because they expect more from Obama.. If he doesn't strike the right balance with them, he's in danger of losing their support.

the quote from the OP:

"This was so easy, and his unwillingness to touch it tells me this is going to be his third rail, and race never goes away in politics," Harris Lacewell said. "Black people want to love Barack. They're doing everything they can to love Barack. We want to believe that Barack is better than this. But they will turn on him."

[FredScuttle]

93. Got your finger on the pulse of the black community, do ya?

You and Morton Kondracke, apparently. Brilliant.

[ProSense]

15. Obama did make a

brief statement.

[Tellurian]

32. Except when you zoom thru the maze of links

it ends up being the same one from Monday, April 9th.

Someone is his campaign is trying to pull a fast one.

[AtomicKitten]

17. I'm not a big fan of the rating system here at DU.

You know, how early or often or sincere a candidate's comments are on any issue.

[mtnsnake]

19. I don't think Gore has made a statement on Imus yet

Sorry, couldn't resist! :evilgrin:

[Tellurian]

69. Just curious...Has any Republican candidate made an Imus statement yet? nm

[gordianot]

18. What is there to left to say? Obama just got beat up for his church affiliation.

I have avoided any Imus threads, what Imus said is so stupid it defies comment. I guess with enough noise Obama will have to say something. In the current political climate Obama will get fried for whatever he says and apparently when and if he says anything.

Taking a few seconds away from Imus, has anyone heard about the investigations and Congressional Subpoena's in Washington? That might make a great news conference from someone who wants to lead the nation

[NYCGirl]

25. Obama did say something. He was the first to make a statement, in fact. NT

[SOS]

23. Nice edit

Can't help but notice that the quotes end with Mr. Lacewell's comments.
But the article continues...
The very next paragraph:

"One (Obama) adviser pointed out that Obama issued a public comment before the other major Democratic candidates -- including Clinton and former senator John Edwards of North Carolina."
Of all Dems running, Obama issues first statement: "The comments of Don Imus were divisive, hurtful, and offensive to Americans of all backgrounds."

Where's your thread entitled "Hillary's silence on Imus setting off alarms"?

[AuntPatsy]

27. Unbelieveable the spinning allowed here, yet again, perhaps not.

Thank God for those Durs that cite the truth.

[Laurab]

37. I missed that thread, too....

I'd love to see it, but I won't hold my breath. I'm so tired of the anti-any candidate but mine posts, particularly when they're about non-issues.

[Pirate Smile]

28. He hasn't been silent. Your subject line is a lie.

[Tellurian]

40. If you have a problem with it..contact the Boston Globe..nm

[mtnsnake]

52. The OP'er didn't make it up. It's an actual HEADLINE. Wake up for gods sake

before you go running around accusing one of the most truthful people here of lying. Did you even bother to click on the link, the link in which the OP'er told everyone where you could find both stories? Maybe you should do that and then get back to us about what you find.

[BeyondGeography]

68. Tellurian screwed up

He should have put "Boston Globe:" in the thread title or posted this in editorials and articles. By just running the headline it looks like the poster's opinion.

No tears for Tellurian on this one.

[mtnsnake]

70. Tellurian did make it clear in the OP that the link led to the story

and for anyone who clicked on it they would notice the same headline as the subject title of the thread.

If there was still time to edit, I'm sure Tellurian could be asked to put quotation marks around the thread title, which would've cleared that aspect of it up, but I think it was too late to do so by the time people started questioning the title. I've seen plenty of other times when people inadvertently forgot to put quotes on their thread title.

[bling bling]

30. How ironic. You're starting to sound like a Kerry Groupie...except

instead of using every possible opportunity to make Clinton look bad, you're using every possible opportunity to make Obama look inept, indecisive, etc. etc.

Do you seriously not see the irony?

[Tellurian]

36. This is mainstream news, bling, bling..

not a smear or something made up to scandalize a candidate.

I know nothing about how Obama reacts under pressure..

so far, he has been less than engaging and impressive.

And please don't insult my intelligence by attempting to label me a Kerrybot.
I'm not afraid to criticize Hillary and certainly unafraid to question what are Obama's strengths and weaknesses.
After all, if he is reluctant to deal with little problems, how will he proceed when it comes to Iraq, Republicans, Global Warming and the Economy?

I want to know now...to make an informed decision.

[bling bling]

46. I'm not buying it.

I'm tempted to do a search just to prove to you how many of these "questions" you've raised solely on Obama threads and how quick you are to openly and publically "question" and challenge Obama whenever his name is brought up around here.

Off the top of my head you've started threads about Sharpton not supporting Obama and how noteworthy that was because 'Sharpton IS the voice of the black community'; cynically raised skepticism about Obama's religion based on ancestry.com; hinted towards a link of Obama to the prephesy of the anti-christ; and other little comments thrown in that seem aimed at keeping the rumor du jour alive as opposed to putting the rumors out the way you want us all to do when it's Hillary involved.

Maybe I will do a search and provide links just to prove I'm not blowing this out of proportion or being unfair. I'll have to do it when I have more time.

[Name removed]

49. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[bling bling]

60. That's where you've lost your way...

Just because there's 15 million anti-hillary threads on the forum, that doesn't mean that it's somehow fair for you to fan the flames on the anti-Obama issues.

Believe me, I'm WELL aware of the bullshit posted about Clinton. It's something I've tried to combat long before she announced her run for the Presidency. I'm a big Hillary supporter. That's why I take special interest in noting those who try to publically sabatage her using this forum and call them out on it. But, I'm also a big Obama supporter, so I keep my eyes on those threads too.

The whole point for me is fairness.

I don't care who others like or dislike. But I'm not a big fan of those who try to bolster the negative and fan the flames on the rumor mill about candidates I support.

I think you've been disingenuous and are going out of your way to fuel skepticism about Obama.

[mtnsnake]

67. Maybe Tellurian just doesn't like Obama for a candidate. Have you ever considered that?

I'm not trying to get on your case of all people, bling bling, but I don't think Tellurian is doing anything at all unusual here. Just because someone might not like Obama as much as you or I do, it doesn't mean they can't post negative articles about them, especially when they've posted valid links. Very few people seem to mind when countless negativity is posted about Hillary all the time, so why the outrage here?

Here, in this case, it was just an article that was posted. Heck, in Hillary's case, she's constantly at the mercy of lies and gross misinformation, and very few people ever come to her defense. Yet, post a negative article about anyone else and all hell breaks out. Jeesh.

[bling bling]

77. I think you're right.

And yes, I had considered that. I guess the reason it seemed like a big deal to me is that it seems like there is a campaign AGAINST Obama.

I don't like seeing good Democrats being USED like this to try and scare people away from voting for them. I have quickly compiled a hefty list of other examples but I'm hesitant now to post them because it's starting to feel mean-spirited on my part if I do that and that's not my intent.

I just want to keep the bar high when it comes to the handful of posters here who I have come to respect and whose opinions I tend to value for their balance and thoughtfulness.

[Carni]

44. Oh for God's sake - what do you want the man to do?

Run out and start an anti-Imus movement?

He made a comment--doesn't endorse the slurs, what more do you want?

I would think that he has better things to do than to engross himself in this Imus crap, as should every member of the US senate!

The more this Imus issue is focused on the more his foul comments become empowered and focused upon.

I wish people would start looking at the 'where do things go from here' and 'what good can come of this situation' as opposed to rehashing the thing over and over and over again.

[Tellurian]

47. Thats not the point- The black community are the ones complaining..

and I want to know why? I don't have a problem with the timeliness of Obama's actions.

I do have a problem if his people are making untrue statements to the effect that he made earlier than his 4/9 reported statemen, though. He needs to address this problem post haste. It's a proven fact, it's the LIE that will get you, more than what an accuser has to say.

[Carni]

57. JMO but if I were him I would just let this thing ride

There are times when one can say too much and this may be one of those times for Obama IMO

He really shouldn't be beholden to anyone to say MORE just because he's
bi-racial, that would in and of itself be somewhat racist of the people demanding it. Guess I am saying he shouldn't have to have this issue strapped on his back anymore than any of his peers who are running for office...then the next thing will be, someone else somewhere on the right (or the left who knows) will complain about him using the issue for his own gain.

Not sure that makes sense, it does to me, as I am thinking it...

I misunderstood your original post, sorry!

This ImanASS issue has started to grate at my nerves at this point
(and yeah yeah I know no-one is holding a gun to my head to read the Imus threads but I can't seem to help myself!)

[Tellurian]

66. Exactly...

a president is under pressure 24/7. This is no more than the tip of the iceberg. As soon as this fire is put out, the republicans will step in with another flame generating scenario. It goes with the territory. How a candidate deals with the pressure and still runs the country getting things done is a great concern to me.

[ripple]

75. Obama appears to be handling the pressure quite well

But I'm sure he appreciates your concern. :eyes:

[jakem]

114. yes, we need someone good under pressure, people!

[ripple]

125. That's unfair

And not helpful to any candidate.

[jakem]

131. This whole thread was posted with an absurb bias.

Just playing the game. I would not post this on a more civil thread...

[BronxBoy]

79. Correction

SOME members of the Black community are complaining. That's a very important distinction.

There are a lot of people in the Black community who are complaining that Jackson and Sharpton seem to be spearheading this issue.

But you wouldn't know it from reading the papers.

[Ethelk2044]

50. Your post is Ridiculous

I am an African American Woman. I agree with What Obama said. You are just trying to Slander Obama for Hillary's Benefit. Will not Happen. African Amercian community does not see anything wrong with his comments. Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson is handling the issue well. What needs to happen is Hillary needs to talk to James Carville. James Carville was supposed to be on Imus Show today and he is linked to the Hillary camp. People should be irate over him attending the show and being link to the Clinton's camp

[Tellurian]

64. Why do you think so? Glad to hear your committed to fairness Ethel

Public figures are subject to scrutiny especially those running for the highest office in the land.

Just as the Clintons have been for the last 15 yrs.

Where is your outrage when unlinked articles accusing the Clintons of responsibility for crimes committed by BushI and BushII?

This done for nothing more than nefarious swift boating purposes.

Where are you then?

[Ethelk2044]

89. Because it Is.

He came out before Hillary. Where is your outrage for her?. She waited a week to put something together (probably tested before she released her statement). Plus one of her Advisors was on Imus this morning. She should have pushed for Carville not to attend. Instead he showed up. He is part of her team. Where is your outrage?

[Ethelk2044]

51. Your post is Ridiculous

I am an African American Woman. I agree with What Obama said. You are just trying to Slander Obama for Hillary's Benefit. Will not Happen. African Amercian community does not see anything wrong with his comments. Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson is handling the issue well. What needs to happen is Hillary needs to talk to James Carville. James Carville was supposed to be on Imus Show today and he is linked to the Hillary camp. People should be irate over him attending the show and being link to the Clinton's camp

[Forkboy]

116. "You are just trying to Slander Obama for Hillary's Benefit."

I think all but other Hillary supporters figured that out from the get go. :)

[Marnieworld]

54. Considering the comments were half as sexist as racist what were Clinton's comments

She should be fighting mysogyny as much as Obama is fighting racism. Where's her scrutiny for this?

[Alamom]

61. Here ya go....

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/04/10/imus.show/


April 11, 2007

"Those women did not deserve those hateful and hurtful comments," Democratic presidential candidate and New York Sen. Hillary Clinton said Tuesday. "I've been on the receiving end of his barbs, so I understand. I'm a public figure, but it just went way over the line."



One example:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200605250001

Wed, May 24, 2006

On Imus in the Morning, Don Imus referred to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton as "Satan" 11 times, once calling her "that buck-tooth witch, Satan."

He also called Al Gore "the phoniest bastard on the planet," adding that Gore is "a horrid human being."

[ProudToBeLiberal]

73. nice pwnage! nt

[TwilightGardener]

56. Wow, not too long ago he wasn't adamant enough about homosexuality

not being immoral, even though he said he didn't think it was. He just can't seem to ramp up the rhetoric forcefully enough for some people, despite the fact that other candidates don't either. Why is he constantly held to a ridiculously high standard? Overstatement to attract attention, from what I've seen of him, is not his style. He says what he thinks, and that's it--he's not a preacher. Let it go.

[mzmolly]

63. Obama did "touch it" he just refused to fan the flames.

:eyes:

[MAGICBULLET]

65. this is absurd

even if he didn't comment would that insinuate that he didn't care about the issue of racism in America? Really now? Is that how some people judge a person's character?

[ripple]

71. Some parts of the article you didn't quote:

"One adviser pointed out, however, that Obama issued a public comment before the other major Democratic candidates -- including Clinton and former senator John Edwards of North Carolina."

and

"Obama told CBS's "60 Minutes" earlier this year that he is rooted in the African-American community, but not defined by it."

and

"He's cut from a different cloth, and that doesn't make him less black," said Joyce Ferriabough, a Boston-based Democratic consultant who is African-American. "His way of doing things is a lot more measured, less fiery, but that doesn't make him less effective. He needs to be the candidate of the people, and the people aren't just black."

and

"There are people that are just waiting for him to jump out there in the crosshairs and be a race leader," Walters said. If Obama spoke out, "that would put him in a different role: a race leader. And that would pull back the covers for those who don't see race when they look at Barack Obama."

and

"Obama doesn't need to go on the soapbox," Ferriabough said. "Others are doing it, led by Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. He's nipping at Hillary, so he's playing for real."



It's all a matter of perspective. ;-)

[Tellurian]

76. And thats why it's good to read the posted comments

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3209907#3209922

also the 4 paragraph DU rule?

[ripple]

80. Several of the quotes I posted are sentences,

rather than paragraphs.

then again, maybe you're referring to not having room to post anything positive from the article yourself. If that's the case, I'm glad I could help you out. :)

[Tellurian]

90. Why? Because I posted the paragraphs in their sequential order?

and didn't selectively edit and be criticized for that?

If I did...you'd have to look for another angle to complain about.

[ripple]

98. Where did I complain or criticize you?

I merely provided a different perspective- and a positive one at that. Sorry if you find that offensive.

[BronxBoy]

78. And so it starts....

Let's start the who's more down and dedicated stories. Why is it that the media thinks that we Black folk should have one or 2 types of leaders and that they should react in predicable manner: Angry and defiant! Yeah let's kick some ass and take names.

As a Black man, my concern is not the reaction or lack of a reaction from Obama. He made a statement and I think that statement was appropriate given his current situation.

My concern is where are the voices of Black individuals who have a much grander prscence on the American stage?

Oprah
Bill Cosby
Any number of some of our highly paid Black professional athletes whose name recognition is so great that they command more in endorsement fees than they make in an actual salary.

If this issue is of such importance, and I believe it is, then everyone should be speaking out on it. Not just Sharpton, Jackson and Obama.

And this we don't trust Obama because he isn't Black meme is such bullshit. If Blacks don't seem like they are gushing about him. It's because a lot of us don't really know the guy that well.

Stories like this make me wonder if someone wants to keep the old "Crabs in a Basket" mentality alive and kicking.

[SteppingRazor]

82. Maybe we should address the idiocy of presidential candidates having to comment on this crap?

Just sayin'. Isn't this like asking Hillary or Obama what they think of Anna Nicole's baby?

If you've got a few minutes to ask a presidential candidate a question, can you honestly not think of anything better than what they think of the latest case of foot-in-mouth disease?

I really don't care that Obama took awhile to comment on this. Personally, I wouldn't care if he didn't comment at all. The only reason all the white candidates are doing so is because they feel they have to — which says more about us, the voters, than it does about the candidates themselves.

[mtnsnake]

83. The Imus debacle is not even close to being the same as the Anna Nicole's baby story.

IMO, I think this story, the Imus one, is one of the more important stories of the year and needs to be taken very seriously.

[SteppingRazor]

86. "one of the more important stories of the year" ... really? More important than, say...

The U.S. attorneys scandal?
The "surge"?
Hell, the Iraq War in general?
Primary election season?
Walter Reed?
Global Warming?
Net Neutrality?
The possibility of war with Iran?
The huge increase in deep poverty in the U.S.?
The widening income gap?

Don Imus saying something stupid and insensitive on his radio show is at least as, if not more, important than all this?

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[SteppingRazor]

102. Ah, so...

you'd rank it somewhere above Anna Nicole, but below, say, Walter Reed.

Whattaya say? Maybe somewhere around the Gators winning the national championship back to back, or more important than that.

By the way, toning down this ridiculous level of outrage might help foster better communication with fellow DUers. Thank you. Have a nice day.

[mtnsnake]

107. You're the one who compared the the story about Anna's baby equally to the Imus story, not me.

you'd rank it somewhere above Anna Nicole, but below, say, Walter Reed.

I did no such thing, but nice try. The only thing I did was point out how ridiculous your assertion was that asking Hillary or Obama about Imus is the same as asking them about what they think of Anna Nicole's baby. Good gawd.

[SteppingRazor]

110. Ah. So, more important that Walter Reed, then?

I'm just trying to get a feel for how much value you place on this, as I deeply value your opinion. As for my ridiculous assertion, it was a literary device used to illustrate how ridiculous it is that candidates are forced to comment on whatever the scandal-du-jour is, even if it doesn't realte to politics, policy or to governance in any way. I realize that subtlety may be lost on some people, and I apologize if I have offended your delicate and irony-free sensibilities. Thank you. Have a nice day.

[mtnsnake]

113. "Have a nice day"

That I will. Mrs mtnsnake and I are leaving to hike a small mountain in a few minutes. Thanks for the well wishes! :)

[AtomicKitten]

120. you must be psychic

I was about ready to tell you to take a hike.

:toast:

[mtnsnake]

135. Shows you what a good mind reader I am

I read your thoughts before you even thought 'em. :evilgrin:

[mtnsnake]

134. Do you have major comprehension problems or something?

Where did I say it was more important than any of those things you listed during your tirade? I said it was "one of the more important stories of the year", not the MOST important.

You are the one who compared the Imus story as being equal to the story about Anna Nicole's baby, not me....talk about silly. Wow!!

[Ethelk2044]

85. If the White candidates only answering

because they feel they have to then that lets everyone know exactly where they stand and maybe we (minorities) should not vote for them. Racism still exists and his comment (Imus) was racist. A person like that should not be on the air waves.

[SteppingRazor]

88. No one's denying the existence of racism here

What I am saying is that this Imus stupidity doesn't even address real problems of racism. It's a non-issue.

You want to address racism in America, then let's talk about disparities in income, the prison population, crime convictions in general, the ghetto-ization of suburbia, and all the other insidious forms of institutional racism, because that's the racism that means something today. The very fact that there's such outrage over Imus' quote shows how far overt racism gets you in America (nowhere). All this indignation over the Imus quote ignores the real problems of racism in America, and serves to distract from the myriad other issues this country faces.

The idea that presidential candidates actually need to issue statements on this is silly. I mean, are any of them actually going to say, "Hey, what he said wasn't so bad?" Ridiculous. If we want presidential candidates to talk about racism, we should ask them what they plan to do about the fact that 1 in 10 black men was in prison at the end of 2002, or the fact that the black-white wage gap, which shrunk to historic lows in the 1990s, is back on the rise. That's the racism in America that has real effects on real families time and time again without the racists ever suffering any consequences.

[Ethelk2044]

96. There should be Outrage

and they need to push to make sure he is fired. If it means going to the companies who advertise on his show so be it. This is a part of making sure racism is addressed. He was given several passes. Now they need to make sure they follow through. This will send a message to other people in the media, not to show any part of racism in their shows. If we are to try to erase racism in America we need to start now.

That is the problem when these issues are being address we don't want people to talk about it. They all should talk about it. It should be a question in one of the debates. How they felt about Imus comments and what they will do to address racism in America if they are elected.

[SteppingRazor]

100. See, that's the problem I have is that we always address one without the other.

Smacking down people like Imus for saying this sort of crap may be necessary, but it doesn't teach people to not be racist. It just teaches them to shut up about it.

[Ethelk2044]

104. You will

never be able to change everyone. However, some will change. There is hidden racism all around us. I have experienced it in the pass and will experience it in the future. People will say they are not racist. However, I always determine if they are as time goes by. Eventually it will show up some time some where.

[SteppingRazor]

111. I hear ya.

I just think that, without addressing root causes, dealing with morons like Imus seems like treating the symptoms but not the disease, y'know?

[Tellurian]

91. I'm in a minority..

I'm a women! Women are still the greatest minority in this country!

[Forkboy]

117. There are more women than men in this country.

The U.S. population surpassed 282 million in 2002, with females representing 51.1 percent of the total population.

http://mchb.hrsa.gov/whusa04/pages/ch1.htm#us_pop

Not to say they've reached the level of equality they deserve yet,which I'm assuming is what you were driving at,but in numbers you're not a minority.

[Tellurian]

122. You know what I meant..

I didn't say there were less women.

I said: we are the biggest "minority"! (as opposed to any other existing minority)

[zulchzulu]

92. So Obama's statement on the issue is "silence"?

From the linked article:

"The comments of Don Imus were divisive, hurtful, and offensive to Americans of all backgrounds."
- Barack Obama

Um...is that silence? Ferchrissakes, it seems like a statement to me...perhaps he wasn't waving his hands while hanging upside down from a tree with a megaphone duct taped to his head...

Does Obama have to yammer on and on about Imus' latest asshole comment? There are other issues to talk about, last I checked... but if Carville and the Fellas wanna trash Obama because he's not squawking like a wanker...then so be it.

[Dr Fate]

95. Yup. In other words, the OP's subject line is false and misleading.

Exactly how much time does team Hillary want Obama to spend on this old man?

[zulchzulu]

97. Perhaps Obama needs to grow hair like Sharpton...

I mean...the entire story is much ado about nuttin'. Team Hillary sure would love Obama to get tangled in that nest of gotchas... sorry, he ain't takin' the bait, homey.

[Tellurian]

99. It's not just about racism...you better look around the forum..

This thing is blowing up faster than a speeding bullet. Women are outraged, sponsors are ducking out.
This thing is exploding exponentially and it's not focused on Obama.

"Al Sharpton was on CNN again today talking about FCC needing to "Regulate Airwaves."

[Dr Fate]

103. "it's not focused on Obama" That's right. But your factually incorrect thread IS focused on him.

Obama was not "silent" as the false headline of this thread states.

Again, exactly how much time do you Hillary people think he should spend talking about this man?

[Ethelk2044]

105. They try

to turn the focus off of her instead by focusing on him. People should be outraged that it took her over a week.

[Dr Fate]

106. Is that true? Hillary was "silent" for over a week after Obama spoke out against Old Man Imus?

If true- then that makes the spirit of this thread subject even more dishonest and misleading than I thought.

[Ethelk2044]

112. She cam e out on today

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/04/11/2007-04-11_rudy_mccain_say_they_forgive_and_support-2.html

[Forkboy]

118. Admitting that would have ruined a great chance to trounce the candidates they don't like.

You know,the same thing some whine about others doing to Hillary all the time.

[Dr Fate]

119. In a general election, the media would NEVER allow Team Hill to use these Rovian tactics.

Team Hill seems to think that since the GOP/media let Bush get away with skewing the facts, they will let her get away with it.

If I was to assume the best, I would say that team Hill only plans on using Rovian tactics in the primaries. However, this will end up pissing off the DEM base even more if they see the "caution gloves" go back on for the general.

I predict this because I see these DLC people attacking Democrats more forefully than I EVER saw them opposing Bush or his war.

I feel that if she wins the nod, she and her "blinders on" followers are in for more rude awakingings than they ever dreamed of....

Go ahead team Hill- keep imitating Karl Rove- it is sure to make you lots of friends.

[Tellurian]

121. I haven't heard a statement from Kerry on Imus yet. Have you?

[Dr Fate]

130. No- but it is dishonest to suggest that Obama was "silent" when it was really Hillary who was.

The point is that Hillary folks are bashing Obama for his "silence" when that is not true- and it is even more dishonest when you find out that Hillary was the really the one who was "silent" for DAYS after Obama spoke out.

Kerry? Is he back in the race now? What am I missing here? I am guessing that it was all you had left once I busted you for being dishonest about who was really silent.

[Tellurian]

132. I didn't suggest it..Get your facts straight

or is that too much to ask from you? It part of the headline..read it yourself and stop peddling BS as fact!

And why has Kerry been silent about this outrages on blacks and women.

I notice you're steering clear of answering that question...eh?

[Dr Fate]

136. Sorry, but you posted a false headline- Obama spoke LONG BEFORE Hillary-my facts are straight.

So you are supposed to get a free pass for posting,endorsing and defending misleading hit-piece w/o taking 5 minutes to researcing the facts first? No sir.

Why am I supposed to be defending Kerry in this thread any way?

This thread is about two '08 Presidential candidates- Obama, who spoke out against Imus, and Hillary, whos supporters are accusing him of being "silent" when it was really Hillary who was.

I stand by my comments- the headline, text and general spirit of your OP is dishonest.

[Tellurian]

149. what? What do you mean false headline?

prove it!

[Tellurian]

150. Uh, I forgot...Imus is Kerry's tool..

thanks for reminding me..

[Dr Fate]

154. If you say so. Even still, Obama was not "silent"- that is a false statement.

Hillary was the one who was silent LOOONG after Obama spoke up.

[Tellurian]

156. Yeah, prove that one..

Hillary has embarrassed photo-op Kerry big time.

[Dr Fate]

160. Another Hillary/DLC supporter already started a specific Anti-Kerry thread here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3211479

And would you believe it ALSO contains false information? I'm so shocked.

This thread we are on now used to be about Obama and Hillary before other posters busted you on the facts- then you tried to change the focus to Kerry.

LOL! I've never seen anyone hijack their OWN thread before! LOL!!!

[Tellurian]

163. You are so confused..It always was about Obama..

you're the one who went off on a tangent to smear Hillary...not me!

You better sit down a spell, you're getting dizzy!

[Dr Fate]

166. Yes- your false, misleading OP is anti-Obama- that part is certainly clear.

n/t

[Tellurian]

168. So, take a walk down to post #167.. it will set you free!

[Dr Fate]

170. Seems like the one who presents false info is the one who needs to be set free with truth.

How about next time you take 5 minutes to do a google search and check your work before you post lies about a rival candidate?

[Tellurian]

171. Google your own self..

and next time don't think I'll be this kind when you barge into my thread..

[Dr Fate]

174. LOL! We did google the info for you. That's how we knew it was false!!! LOL!!!

I was just trying to save you the trouble for next time. LOL!

And please, feel free to take off the gloves whenever I "barge into your threads", I dont expect or need any charity from you. LOL!!!

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[Tellurian]

133. As long as you keep

posting BS posts we'll keep talking..

[zulchzulu]

108. Imus is a two bit fake cowboy asswipe...focusing on him is utter BS

Should Imus and Obama mud wrestle?

I mean, ferchrissakes...

OBAMA DID MAKE A STATEMENT!!!

Yet, somehow that's not good enough... so what is the comment included ALL AMERICANS...should he mention it also offended Suvalkieciai Lithuanian women who make little elves for their village's Skilandis Festival?

[Tellurian]

123. Imus insulted alot of people..

He's opened a Pandoras Box here with those few little words.

This donnybrook is going on way beyond the timeliness of Obama's statement.

It may have started out as a bad thing but it's a chance to make some changes in the way tv does business with it's talk show personalitys.

[IndianaGreen]

124. Sharpton? Isn't he the same racist that exploited the Tawana Brawley case

and even went to far as to libel and smear a prosecutor? Has Sharpton settled the civil finding against him?

[bigdarryl]

127. Yep plus he just said recently he still believe something happened to her

[tgnyc]

101. The "silence" is on the issue of whether Imus should be fired.

[zulchzulu]

109. Presidential candidates should weigh in on corporate HR issues when possible

:sarcasm:

[DFW]

126. What I'd love to see from our sitting Senators

--and this includes Kerry, Clinton and Obama (as well as Biden and Dodd,if
we're gonna open up the tent to all comers) is this:

I want them to work like hell to get the budget bill passed and help move
the pressure on Rove and Gonzales to critical mass.

Imus has been tainted badly. Let him stew in his own morass. There are
already big money companies pulling their ads from his show, and that
talks more to the host station than a million and a half people
protesting on their doorstep. Imus has been noted, dressed down and
put on the front page. Great. Rove and Gonzales are sighing in relief,
and they have done--and still can do--way more harm than some hate jockey
on the airwaves.

I HATE it when key people get distracted like this (hopefully, the above-
mentioned Senators are less so than some of us are). Imus is a mosquito
compared to the rattlesnakes of Gonzales and Rove. I hope the people on
Capitol Hill see it that way, too.

[Colobo]

128. This thread sucks. Big time.

[Tellurian]

129. No it doesn't...

You can follow the timeleine on this thread and see how the end result has evolved throughout the day to the ultimate firing of Imus. And believe me, women's outrage had alot to do with sinking Imus.

[Dr Fate]

137. No- he's saying it sucks because people are lying about who was really silent- HILLARY was silent.

Obama spoke out DAYS before Hillary did.

I'm glad they both spoke out- the thread is offensive b/c it involves Hillary supporters trying to spread fake info about Obama.

What make it so dishonest is that it was really HILLARY who silent for DAYS after Obama spoke out.

[Forkboy]

138. Try posting something this misleading about Hillary and this poster would be the first to whine.

The pattern of hypocrisy from this OP is staggering and readily on view on a near daily basis.

[elizm]

139. Bingo! n/t

[SanFranciscoValues]

141. Indeed : )

[mtnsnake]

142. His post said no such thing. There was nothing but a subject line. You are very misleading

What make it so dishonest is that it was really HILLARY who silent for DAYS after Obama spoke out.

Let's examine who's being dishonest here. Katzenkavalier did NOT say the thread sucks "because people are lying about who was really silent". The person who said that is YOU.

[Dr Fate]

146. LOL! yes I'm "the real liar"- just like Micheal Moore & the Liberal media! LOL!!!

I'll assume that's why he thinks it sucks. It's a pretty good guess.

Why dont we let him correct me instead of you- if I am wrong, I'll personally apologize to him. LOL!!!

[mtnsnake]

147. Confession accepted. nt

[Dr Fate]

148. Yes-I bow my head in shame. The real truth is he doesnt think the thread sucks at all...

...he actually SUPPORTS Hillary.

I'm SOOOO busted. ;)

[Colobo]

152. The reason why this thread sucks

is because it is based on a lie about Obama. It a cheap attempt to smear the guy to make someone else look good.

[Dr Fate]

153. LOL! The OP confirmed that he agrees with me (see post 152). I so guess you are 100% wrong.

So I guess that means you owe me an apology for calling me a liar, right? LOL!!! I wont hold my breath. ;)

[mtnsnake]

180. You're two hours too late. You mislead w/o knowing & THEN you got backed up.

If anyone owes an apology it's you for that vicious reference you made towards me once, and if you continue with your childish ways I'm going to point it out no matter what.

[SanFranciscoValues]

140. Umm why are you falling for the propaganda?

Or are you just to lazy to look for the truth?
-Obama DID issue a statement
-Obama issued a statement before Clinton or Edwards did
-Obama DID agree that Imus should be fired

In an April 11 interview, Obama "called for the firing" of Imus and said he would never again appear on his show, according to an ABCNews.com

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3031317&page=1

http://mediamatters.org/items/200704120003

I am sick and tired of this ridiculous argument over whether or not Obama is "black" enough (whatever the hell that means). Obama is running for PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES representing ALL people. Not just African Americans. Not just christians. Not just men. EVERYONE. I understand how difficult such a concept may be for some of us to grasp, but I have confidence in your ability to figure it out eventually.

[Forkboy]

143. Because the OP saw a chance to take a shot at someone against Hillary

and did what they accuse others of doing,posting crap about a candidate for a cheap shot and a vain attempt to make their own candidate look good.

[SanFranciscoValues]

144. Oh wait you didn't fall for the propoganda...

You just plain lied...

[AtomicKitten]

145. I LUV Barack Obama.

And I don't give a rat's ass if his statement was first, last or turning Japanese - I really think so.

Comments by the contenders on the news de jour is fodder for silly arguments on the internets.

[Tellurian]

151. Obama's timeliness is no longer a bone of contention.. as in the Boston Globe OP

as I've explained several times to the boneheads visiting this thread.
It's Kerry who's too busy to make a statement for his shill Imus, who just got his bigoted ass kicked off msnbc.

I challenge you to find a "statement" given by John Kerry in support of the Rutger's students.

Take yer time...no rush..

[Dr Fate]

155. Shifting the topic to Kerry does not change the fact that you presented FALSE information.

Shame on Kerry, but Obama was not silent- Hillary was. Obama spoke out before her.

[Tellurian]

157. Who gave you permission to answer AK's post?

I'm waiting for her response. I trust her more than a Imus/Kerry shill!

[Dr Fate]

158. I was answering your post- #151. I believe DU rules allows me to repsond to posts.

If I must seek permission for such things on a public message board, I was not aware.

[Tellurian]

161. No, post #151 was addressed to post#145 AK..

I'll forgive you this time..no problem..
so don't interfere again until I receive AK response..ok?

[Dr Fate]

162. No deal. I'll respond to any posts I feel like so long as it is w/i rules.

If there is a real problem here, take it up with the mods.

[Tellurian]

164. But your not responding...you're just taking up space..

re-read post #151 but don't answer it!

[Dr Fate]

165. I used it as yet another opportuntiy to establish the dishonesty of the OP.

And to point out the fact that you are trying to change the subject to Kerry, now that your accusation against Obama and in favor of Hillary has been established as a blatant falsehood.

[Tellurian]

167. The point is the thread had evolved over the day yesterday..

The OP had probably been written the night before and posted on the Boston Globe website first thing in the morning. As the day wore on things began heating up...If you read my posts consecutively, I abated the "silence" charge lodged against Obama in the OP.

Next, Presidential candidates were making statements, particular the great statement made by Hillary supporting the Rutger's students relating to the Imus debacle..then came the formal announcement from Obama calling for firing Imus.. that was a great move for him.

Kerry is the only politico that came out supporting Imus. He said, "well he apologized". Well, hoopdedoo! and hence my rolling criticism of yet another ill thought out inappropriate response from Kerry. So there!

[Dr Fate]

169. I dont agree with Kerry. And so sorry, but your OP is as false now as it was when you posted it.

It is your fault for not taking the 5 minutes to to a google search before you posted fake information to prop up your candidate. Dont blame the people who are pointing out that the info you provided was bunk.

In the future please check your work before you cling to any false smear you can find.

[Tellurian]

172. Thendon't stick your nose in where it doesn't belong!

[Dr Fate]

173. Cry the blues to the mods. I'll respond to any post w/i the rules. n/t

n/y

[Tellurian]

175. I don't cry! Grow-up!

[ecstatic]

178. "Black people want to love Barack."

Hehe... I find that statement funny, but possibly true.

Yet, many black americans, IMO, would have absolutely no problem with the way Obama has handled this situation. Why? Because we live in reality. Come on, I love Sharpton, but if Obama had stood side by side with Sharpton and Jackson it would have been political suicide. Period. Even on DU you see people piling on Sharpton daily. We understand the way racism works in this country and the need to choose your battles very carefully when trying to get ahead in this country.

[Tellurian]

181. Yes, the scenario evolved perfectly for Obama..

when I saw Sharpton on the noon news spouting about regulating the fcc. Right then, I knew there was more going on than met the eye, and changes were underfoot. I'm sure Sharpton conferred with Obama and together agreed it was in their best interest to call for the firing of Imus. I'm happy it worked out well for Obama.