Bush raped Margie Shoedinger and now she's been shot.

[genius]

Who thinks Bush had her killed? Whatever the scandal against Kerry, it cannot be this bad. Perhaps the Democrats ought to start airing the Republican scandals rather than just taking it. Oh, if the Bush gang takes offence, I don't apologize.

[Terwilliger]

1. Didn't many witnesses from his guard days die...

under mysterious circumstances?

[NNN0LHI]

2. I am sorry. This stuff is no good. I don't like it one bit

This lady has a family just like we all do. Please show some respect for them. Please.

Don

[genius]

9. Margie wanted the truth to come out but we were cowards.

If we had been braver, she would be alive. Why can the Republicans rape and kill and get away with it? Why do only Democratic scandals matter? When will we stop hiding in the holes?

[NNN0LHI]

16. She said Bush raped her husband too for crisakes. Come on now n/t

[bearfartinthewoods]

45. there is very little that get's posted here that embarrasses me

the bmonthly posting of this BS is at the top of the list.

[Cooley Hurd]

3. Unfortunately, Margie was mentally ill...

...and the affidavit she wrote had several incongruities. It wasn't to be taken seriously.

[genius]

8. Margie was more coherent than most victims of violent crimes. No one here

would be nearly as together if Bush did the same to them. She is dead because we refused to publicize her lawsuit. She was looking forward to her future after the lawsuit against Bush and thanks to our cowardice she is dead.

[Cuban_Liberal]

13. I'm not responsible for her death.

She was mentally unbalanced and took her own life. Don't try and guilt-trip ME, genius!

[ShimokitaJer]

4. Somehow I don't think this is the way to defend Kerry

Saying "Kerry may have cheated on his wife, but at least he didn't rape and kill anyone" may be technically true, but it's probably won't inspire most people to suddenly switch their vote to him either.

[genius]

15. It's an observation that we let the bad guys attack and we won't say

anything to upset them - no mater how much evidence we have. Bush belongs in jail.

[HFishbine]

41. Stand up then

This is obviously an issue of great importance to you; one on which you are very knowledgeable and apparently completely convinced. It seems to me that in such circumstances one has an obligation to do something beyond posting on Internet message boards. You've have done something, right?

[stickdog]

19. Well, Bush has been running on the fact that he's not

Hitler.

[hlthe2b]

5. I don't put much past the Bushies, but this story is off track....

I am convinced the woman really was mentally ill and have no reason to believe she did not take her own life.

Her whole story was full of holes and inconsistencies as I recall.

[Dookus]

6. exactly

she was very very troubled. Her claims are not believable. But she's dead now, and we should leave her alone.

[genius]

12. And how would anyone here be if raped by Bush?

I'm embarrassed by the Democrats who aren't screaming about this one.

[Mobius]

10. the exit wounds made it impossible to be suicide

the exit wounds made it impossible to be suicide

[Cuban_Liberal]

17. Where's the proof.

Autopsy protocol, photos, X-rays, etc.? I deal with several suicides each year in my professional capacity, and I'd like to see proof of your statement.

[Cuban_Liberal]

28. *crickets chirping* n/t

[genius]

11. Most attorneys looking at her document were impressed.

No other lay person could do as well. She was at least as sane as anyone here. Bush raped her body and we are raping her spirit but with these accusations against her.

[salin]

20. From where do you have this information?

I have seen no more - than the initial tip off that the suit had been filed, the mad dash for confirmation that it had been filed (all unfolded here at DU).. and then reading the documents - which were very off.

If there are claims somewhere by multiple attorneys (who are these "most attorneys") - who commented on her claim, I would be interested in reading about it.

If there are folks with first hand knowledge of her being "at least as sane as anyone here" - again I would be interested in reading about it. As the claim itself - read to be rather fantastical. If you have additional information, then please share it.

[Mobius]

7. I think he did

her poor husband is in hiding. the exit wounds made it impossible to be suicide. supposedly both her and her husband were drugged. later, margie schoedinger was found to have mental issues allegedly. to me, this just seems too weird. why her, in her house? did they just drive by and say lets rape these people? although i wouldnt put this act past bush, i have difficulty believing he would get his lazy ass off the ranch , instead of just picking a servant, whom he could later kill, much more easily. perhaps this was some bonesman test of loyalty or something. IF true, Id like to see Bush go to a minimum security prison, where he could mingle with the other prisoners, and be punked out to anybody that wanted to do to him, what he has done to us, for the last 3 years.

[Southern Victory]

14. How do you know?

Okay one, how do you know? If you don't have first hand knoweldge then you should really respect the deceased. And two, as much as I don't like Bush and more specifically his policies, saying that he should be gang raped is as disgusting as it is ignorant. Lets keep the message positive. We can't win back America with all this hate. It didn't work for the Republicans in '96 and it won't work for us in '04. Keep it issued base and we can win!

[genius]

18. Read the complaint. He was trying to have her killed.

I find it interesting how many people on this board are standing up for Bush and against an innocent African-American girl who was raped by him. The complaint goes into attacks by Bush on her family in an attempt to keep everything silent. It was a very well written complaint for a non-attorney.

[Cuban_Liberal]

23. ALLEGEDLY raped.

NOTHING had been proven, genius.

[HFishbine]

24. I'm sure if this is true

you will do everything in your power to bring it to light. I suppose you could start with a letter to the editor of your local newspaper. That's certainly not too much trouble for a matter of such importance. Post a link for us when it gets published.

[Constitution]

34. I have a copy of the complaint. Don't forget about the baby.

That's right. Margie was reportedly carrying Dubya's child and Dubya allegedly caused her to miscarry it on one of the occasions he raped and beat her. She was refused medical treatment when she miscarried. The complaint is heart-breaking.

[Cuban_Liberal]

39. IOW, neither you nor she had any proof?

Fiction can be 'heart-breaking', too, but it's still fiction.

[Constitution]

47. Or so Bush claims.

I'm sure he appreciates the support of those who are attacking Ms. Shoedinger.

[Cuban_Liberal]

48. She made the claim.

The burden of proof is on the accuser, and she didn't meet it, from everything I've read.

[NashVegas]

21. Maybe You Could Have Natasha Write a Column About It?

..

[genius]

22. I don't have any influence on her but she wrote a poem about Margie.

It's in her book. I'll post it when I find it.

[Constitution]

25. I've got a copy of Natasha's poem about Margie. It condems us

and the news media. She said we could reprint her poems as long as we include the copyright notice and so I'm doing that. I'm also including the note that accompanies it in Natasha's book.

Margie
By Natasha H, age 12

Margie, Margie, thanks for your try.
Sorry America didn’t listen to your cry
Heard they found you shot in the head
You’d be alive if we cared what you said.

Margie, Margie where was the news?
Paid off not to search for the clues
Funny there’s no news in the U.S.
Pravda printed the truth instead of the rest.

Copyright © 2003 by Natasha H. All rights reserved.

[salin]

26. I am so lost... who is Natasha?

[Constitution]

29. She's that kid from the Kucinich campaign

She's spoken at peace ralles, before the Democratic Party and so forth.

[Constitution]

49. "You'd be alive if we cared what you said." - the best line from poem

Leave it to a child to make the adults look bad.

[Constitution]

27. Bush infiltrators would object to Genius's posting here.

I can't imagine why anyone else would attack it or Ms. Shoedinger. I would be very concerned about the party affiliation of anyone who puts down Ms. Shoedinger and questions the information that Ms. Shoedinger gave her life to present.

[Cuban_Liberal]

30. Oh, baloney!

The lady was clearly mentally ill, and people might object to it being poted because, um..... maybe it's totally unsubstantiated?

[Constitution]

42. Ever hear of karma. Ms. Shoedinger deserves our respect.

She had the courage to go up against Mr. Bush. How many of us have filed ever an official document against him? Don't be too quick to criticize her because you'll never know when you wish someone would believe you if you ever need to speak up. One day those who are attacking Ms. Shoedinger now will wish someone will believe them but everyone will call them crazy.

[Cuban_Liberal]

43. Karma has nothing to do with it.

Credibility does.

[charlie]

32. Can that crap

Disbelieve ME and you're a Bush operative... pfft! :crazy:

[Cooley Hurd]

35. Read the affidavit she wrote...

...it was rambling and incoherent. If you don't believe me, ask Will Pitt - he's the one who broke it to us here on DU.

Trust me... I'm certainly NO "Bush infiltrator." :eyes:

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[underpants]

38. On THIS thread???

I read this horrible headline and a quick admonishment for NNN.... and I just happen to catch out the ###Support DU### post.

Have you no shame?

[ChiefJoseph]

33. People, please

Is it too much to ask that we act just a teeny bit more rational and mature than the Repugs.

Someone just posted, "Didn't many witnesses from his guard days die..." That sounds just like what the loonies were saying about Clinton when they were citculating that stupid tape purporting to link Clinton to all these deaths.

Is it now official? Have we finally achieved the same level of venomous, irrational hatred of Bush that the Repugs demonstrated under Clinton?

[Freddie Stubbs]

37. We really aren't that much different that Freerepublic

Except we root for the other team.

[KFC]

36. This is absolute Garbage - Link to Court Document

http://www.rense.com/general32/CCCIVIL217038-1-7.pdf

Can you say emotional issues?

This rumor has no creedence. As I recall, Will Pitt worked with the Texas reporter and confirmed that there is nothing to it.

[Constitution]

44. He check into it but did never said there was nothing to it.

This posting defames both Will Pitt and Ms. Shoedinger.

[Cuban_Liberal]

50. Do you know that for a fact?

I'd be interested in the link to WillPitt's posting, wherein you claim he did not debunk her affidavit.

[Constitution]

52. Why don't you ask him rather than simply attacking Bush's victim

Personally I would believe her before I believed you. I don't trust Bush or the people who stand up for him.

[Cuban_Liberal]

54. I'm not 'attacking' her.

She made the allegation, and the burden of proof was on her. WillPitt examined her documents and he did NOT support her. Can you prove otherwise, since you initially made the claim that that's NOT what he said? Again, it's that 'burden of proof' thing.

[Mobius]

55. ok whats with the signature?

It made sense,mostly, until then. was it purposely crossed out, or did she sign it that way. was there ever any dna testing on the child?
so shrub admits to seeing this woman as a minor, and this is supposed to be her attempt to get money? I dont know man, she seems to go into alot of detail. no wonder shrub went to the ranch so much. seems he had more on common with thurmond, than i realized . definitely this desreves more investigation. you know if it was a dem that supposedly did this, the media wouls be all over it.

[YouMustBeKiddingMe]

40. Isn't that the delusional mentally ill woman?

Please. Let's not go there. She was deranged. There's enough true shit about Bush to crucify him without having to resort to this kind of slime. Let this poor woman rest in peace.

[Constitution]

46. She is to delusional as Bush is to best president in history.

Why should anyone ever speak out against Bush again if they are attacked by supposed Democrats as happened to Ms. Shoedinger. Folks, take a lesson. If you you have proof Bush is a bad guy, stuff it. Look at the postings above and see who will call you crazy.

[Cuban_Liberal]

51. I am a good Democrat, but I am also SANE.

I am afraid the same cannot be said for that poor, dead woman.

[Name removed]

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[Moderator]

56. Locking

See the following threads from the archives


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic...

Short answer, the lady was most likely mentally unbalanced and committed suicide.