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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:44 PM
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Money does not win elections
Edited on Wed Apr-04-07 08:48 PM by antiimperialist
I see a new trend that consists of comparing the amount of money that each candidate has raised. Money helps, but does not necessarily win an election. There are too many factors to consider.

Barron's magazine's reputation fell to an all-time low after predicting that because of their money advantage, Republicans would keep their majority in both senate chambers in '06.
Look at these predictions by Barron's ahead of the last midterm elections:



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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:48 PM
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1. With Democrats, WHERE the money comes from is equally
important. Big donations from the wealthy few and the corporate are not going to trump many donations from ordinary folks.

We've always been a bottom up kind of party, not a follow the leader party.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:49 PM
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4. Didn't Dean lose despite donations from common folks?
I see a contradiction in your statement and the last Democratic primary.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 10:53 AM
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11. Sure, after the DLC supplied a cherrypicked video
to the RNC and media outlets.

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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 12:14 PM
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12. Which "cherrypicked video" did the DLC supply?
:shrug:
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:48 PM
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2. money didnt win for the republicans in 2000, 02, 04
outright criminal activity did.

lack of money can sure sink a candidate though.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 03:59 PM
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15. But it did take money to suppress and steal the votes and rig voting machines.
All that activity had to cost big bucks - likely through OUR TAXMONEY - kickbacks on government contracts.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 08:34 PM
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16. good point.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:49 PM
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3. Four years ago, didn't Dean raise a lot of money
from small donors?
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:54 PM
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5. Yes, but the first primaries...
...being in Iowa and NH, not necessarily known for their diversity, didn't exactly help. Also, Kerry was pretty damn tight with Vilsack and his organization there. Plus, there was that deal with Gephardt, which surely didn't help.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:58 PM
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6. Not to mention the scream
Edited on Wed Apr-04-07 08:58 PM by antiimperialist
The media told us that Howard Dean was a psycho because in a moment of joy and optimism, he screamed in order to motivate the crowd, even though this scream was muffled by the cheers of the crowd and had to be digitally isolated from the noise by the mainstream media in order to paint Dean as a lunatic.

And many Dem, voters, who are sheep, got turned off by this non-story.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 09:17 PM
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8. Gephardt is now a lobbyist for Peabody Coal Company
I think he lost it when he backed bush's conquest of Iraq, but that was the ultimate insult. I used to think he was a good guy.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:59 PM
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7. Money cannot buy elections or happiniess, but sometimes it helps. nt
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 09:29 PM
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9. 3 exceptions make the rule?
Here are the fundraising numbers for 2006.

You will find in race after race that fundraising advantage was way more often than not is with the winner.

http://www.opensecrets.org/races/index.as

I went up thru KY (alphabetically) and I count 10 House or Senate races out of over 100 where the candidate that did not raise the ost funds did not win.


As another poster said while money cannot buy you love or an election, it helps.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 10:02 PM
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10. Money collected is not the only indicator
of who might wing. It gives a picture of those that
are connecting and have a chance.

In our System, the Money tells a candidate whether
he can campaign on or if they might soon drop out.

With all the large states moving primary dates
forward, this means a candidate has to have lote
of money to compete especially in a state like
California. Clinton Obama and Edwards secured
enough to go through the Primary. This does
not mean others should drop out right now. They
can work on--if something happens to one of the
top 3, one of them could move up very quickly.
In Politics , the picture can change over night.

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 01:10 PM
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13. Smart money says it does.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 03:54 PM
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14. Money may not WIN elections, BUT
the LACK of money will surely LOSE one.

Bake
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AshevilleGuy Donating Member (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 08:50 PM
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17. Is this money coming from party regulars, or independents?
If the donations are mostly from regulars, they will vote for the nominee anyway, and the implications are that the amounts generated are not that meaningful in the general.

If they are mostly from independents to one party, THAT means something!!!!
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