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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:03 PM
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And, SO..Monica (Plead the 5th because of McCarthy Tactics) Goodling Wants is IMMUNITY like
Edited on Wed Apr-04-07 08:09 PM by KoKo01
some Watergate and Iran Contra Hearings and, SO..Monica (Plead the 5th because of McCarthy Tactics) folks got!

Messia College and Regent Law School aren't ENOUGH for her QUEST FOR UNOBSTRUCTED POWER...HUH? Will Monica GET OFF with this tactic by her lawyer like Ollie North and others did?

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Her lawyer asks for "Immunity" citing the other cases where "guilty parties" pled the 5th.


http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/Goodling-Houseletter/

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Little Wing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:06 PM
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1. I'm starting to think that this person pleading the fifth just to answer questions
isn't doing us Dems a hell of a favor. It's certainly raising attention in the :wtf: is going on on the DOJ sense of the matter.
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A Simple Game Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:42 PM
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9. She sure will do the Democrats a favor if she takes the fifth.
It would not look good for the Republicans if she is shown taking the fifth on the nightly news, and having it mentioned that she did it 49, or how ever many, times.

And it would cause people to ask the question; why if the Republican's are saying there was never any crime committed, is someone not able to just truthfully answer the questions.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 10:10 AM
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12. it is all about self-preservation for the filthy loyal Repig Bushies
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:07 PM
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2. What are you hiding, Monica?
"I did not have political malfeasance with those prosecutors." - Monica Badling
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:09 PM
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3. I expect they are terrified of getting her in the room
All the Senators have to do is grant her immunity on the spot and the 5th goes away. Then if she does not answer she goes to jail. If she answers falsely she goes to jail - immunity need not be extended to future crimes of perjury.

This is the bushies looking out for themselves. They'd off her if they could. This is the best they can do though. Congress should absolutely insist she show up. If for no other reason than to tweak the bushco's nose. Every little bit helps.

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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:12 PM
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5. Yes, they'd off her if they could.
In a minute.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:12 PM
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4. boy, if that ain't a megalomaniac's signature...
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Throwing Stones Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:13 PM
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6. a freakin' TYPO?
Good lord,
someone's paying top dollar (RNC? Rove? Gonzalez?) for this whiteshoe firm and there's a freakin' typo in a letter to the Chairman of the House Committee on the Judiciary. can anyone say "scrambly"?
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 09:10 PM
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11. See what a high paid lawyer can do for you?
That is bad. Nice catch!
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 01:41 PM
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15. ok
i give up.
i can't find it
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:18 PM
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7. monica has to show up and answer any question
with the 5th amendment. if the committee wants to grant her immunity they have to ask the justice dept to grant immunity and that is the beauty of the situation-
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:41 PM
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8. Note the CC
"Hon. Lamar Smith
Ranking Member"
I believe Smith is the ranking MINORITY member
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:42 PM
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10. Attn. John M Dowd
"Accordingly, we again request the Committee not seek to call Ms. Goodling to appear
at the hearing."

Nice try consular. I am sure that Conyers & Sanchez will be all over that request. :rofl:

Why don't you petition the devil to turn down the heat in hell?
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 01:21 PM
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13. I continue to be shocked at the disregard for the Constitution around here.
Honest to God, some people here sound no better than -- and in fact, just like -- the denizens of a certain "other" web site: "It's all about self-preservation" ... "what have you got to hide" ... etc.

Let me remind you:

"NO PERSON ... SHALL BE COMPELLED IN ANY CRIMINAL CASE TO BE A WITNESS AGAINST HIMSELF."

U.S. Const., Amend. V

There is NEVER, I repeat NEVER, anything wrong with asserting one's rights under the U.S. Constitution, and I don't give a flying fat rat's ass if the person doing so is a Democrat, Republican, Whig, Christian, atheist, criminal, saint or sinner!!!

I guess the Constitution is only for people we LIKE, huh.

Sometimes this place makes me want to vomit.

Bake, Esq.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 01:45 PM
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16. there has to be a legitimate basis for asserting the 5th
The basis asserted by Monica is that 'the body seeking to question her is 'hostile'". Any person accused of a crime could assert that 'defense' and so it is obvious that it is malarkey.

She can only assert that right if she alleges that her answers would 'tend to incriminate her' and that, to my knowledge, she has not, as yet, done.

that is the basis of the committee refusing to accept her 5th amendment attempt. Leahy is a former prosecutor and he knows what he is doing
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 02:20 PM
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17. No, the basis is that she may have caused McNulty (?) to give false testimony
And that IS a crime. There are ways for a court to test whether the 5th is being asserted in good faith, and whether it is being waived. The "perjury trap" stuff in her lawyer's letter is just window dressing.

I'm not questioning Leahy; I know he knows what he's doing. What I'm talking about is the attitude around here that the Fifth Amendment doesn't apply to Republicans. I've seen it over and over and over again, and it sickens me, particularly when it comes from people who claim to support and respect the Constitution and ought to KNOW BETTER.

Bake
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 04:49 PM
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22. One can draw a negative inference from it.
Taking the fifth can't be used against someone if they are charged with a crime.

Otherwise, e.g., in a civil lawsuit, one can draw a negative inference from an assertion of self-incrimination.

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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 01:31 PM
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14. someone needs to make a commerical with the following...
Have some file footage of a mafia witness pleading the 5th from one of the old racketeering hearings from the 50's or 60's. Then have footage from this tool gooding doing the same. Nothing more nothing less. nothing needs to be spoken.
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 02:49 PM
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18. McCarthy Tactics?
Because Senator Eugene McCarthy got College students organized to stop the Vietnam war Goodling won't testify?

:rofl:


:kick: HART 2008! :kick:
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 04:28 PM
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19. look at this, Goodling .... look at this
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Bluedogvoter Donating Member (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 04:39 PM
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20. Is there an objection to giving her immunity?
I seriously doubt she is the mastermind, if its the mastermind we are after, then this will go a long way towards that goal.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 04:41 PM
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21. I agree -- I was hoping they would give her immunity...
Am I missing something?
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