Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

The media meltdown -- in three paragraphs

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:29 AM
Original message
The media meltdown -- in three paragraphs
In three paragraphs, the essential blogger Glenn Greenwald crystallizes the disastrous state of our news media:

Even six months after this country invaded Iraq, 70% of Americans continued to believe that Saddam helped personally plan the 9/11 attacks. That heinous fact, by itself, should have provoked a major crisis in political journalism -- a desperate effort to find out what went so fundamentally wrong. Yet it did nothing of the sort. Most of the energies of national journalists are devoted instead to defending how they operate and, most of all, condescendingly disparaging their critics as shrill partisans who don't understand the real role of journalists.

I honestly find it unfathomable that any national journalist(s)... can defend their profession, and deny that there are deep-seated and fundamental flaws in it, when this country started a war with the overwhelming majority of citizens -- 70% -- believing an absolute, complete myth, a known falsehood, one which, more than anything else, caused them to support that war. Leaving aside every other issue of gullible, government-propaganda-based reporting, that fact standing alone is a towering indictment of our country's press corps, and the fact that they continue to believe that the way they operate is proper, that they are sufficiently adversarial to the political powers that be, and that it is their critics who are "ideological" and therefore easily dismissed -- all reveals that they have not changed at all.

They may not know it, but the disaster of the Iraq War and the absolute myths which they allowed to take root -- and which they never investigated, exposed or attacked -- is an inescapable indictment of what they do. That is the foundation on which media criticism rests, and there is nothing "partisan" about it. It is the opposite of "partisan." It is instead a demand that the media fulfill their core responsibility -- to serve as an adversarial check on government -- a responsibility which they have profoundly abdicated.


I'm not sure which is worse: that our media have completely failed us when we needed them most, or that hardly anyone seems to care?

___

Hey, the liberal light is always on at the Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy. Please stop by and say "hi!"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:35 AM
Response to Original message
1. It's baffling that most people (both in and out of the media) don't seem to notice
what's happening here. That's not a good sign!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:50 AM
Response to Reply #1
4. Our media this century have reminded me an awful lot of Pravda;
but no, I haven't seen a lot of comment about that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #4
11. Pravda was less dangerous because
everyone had learned to disbelieve the face value of anything they published. The paper was actually useful because people developed wonderful skills for finding out what was really going on by reading between the li(n)es (I meant to type "lines" but my fingers wrote "lies;" so be it). Americans have not yet learned the nature of their news media, and still believe too much of what they are fed. However, I predict that the existence of the internet(s) will hasten their awakening and the eventual entropic end of conventional news media.

I say "entropic end" with an awareness of Shannon's information theory, its derivatives, and its mathematical connection to entropy theory. When truth and lies become indistinguishably mixed together, the signal has no value, and comes to be disregarded.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #11
18. That's why CNN and the Washington Post are worse than Fox
because people don't yet understand how insidious and deceptive that they are.

However, I agree that it's getting to the point where the gig is up- you can only lie so many times, after which people stop taking anything you say at face value- or worse, begin to ridicule you.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #4
13. We are a centrally managed economy much like the Soviet Union was.
But somebody figured out it was a lot easier and a lot less mess to simply ignore most critics of the regime, rather than to throw them in jail (or worse...)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 11:16 AM
Response to Reply #1
12. It's been like this since mid90s. Corpmedia applied so much teflon to Bush in Texas and post 9-11
that it took the constant pounding from all the Dem candidates in 2002-3-4 just to crack it. And a category 5 hurricane to strip the rest of it down to a manageable amount.

We should have seen how bad it would get after 2000 theft and when Bush actually got away with smearing the Clintons on the trashed WH lie that Rove concocted. If a Dem as powerful and commanding of media attention as Bill Clinton could get smeared successfully on a bullshit story like the trashed WH and AF1 for 8 months, what chance would lesser known Democrats have with this GOP controlled newsmedia?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #1
17. You *can't* notice
if all you see is the corporate media. And you can't know you need to see something else if all you see is the corporate media.

Not *completely*, of course, or I wouldn't subscribe to more progressive publications than I can really afford, and I wouldn't be here at DU.

But if you only skim the surface, everything looks fine.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:36 AM
Response to Original message
2. The percentage of the population
that can think, thinks rationally and makes a decision by looking at the evidence is a minority and getting smaller.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:44 AM
Response to Original message
3. To the greatest with thee
:kick:

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
solara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:55 AM
Response to Original message
5. NBC's Today Show headline: Speaker Pelosi defies the President!
There was not one mention of the Republicons who are also in Syria. Not one. If I didn't have access to the net, how in the hell would I know ANYTHING beyond the RepubliCon spin?

I watched network news this morning, something I haven't done in about a year. They showed a clip of Junior at his press conference yesterday and all I got from their report was that the Democrats are refusing to fund the troops! Thats it. So since there are probably millions of Americans who do NOT read the blogs and whose ONLY source of news is the "mainstream media" How in the world can the Dems expect to have their support.? How can anything change? How can we even hope to take back our country?

It is painfully obvious that our so called "mainstream media" is absolutely nothing but a shill for the RW neocon Bush administration. Shame on them all for selling out America.


INVESTIGATE IMPEACH INDICT INCARCERATE :patriot:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #5
21. nbcnews is a joke.. they have 7 min of news...
from 6:58 am to 7:05 am...the rest is tabloid fluff.

If you yawn first thing in the morning and close your eyes, it's over.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:59 AM
Response to Original message
6. We no longer have journalists nor news agencies. We are subjected to
nothing more than corporate public relations pieces. Thanks Bill, I'm so glad that you protected America from information.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 09:17 AM
Response to Original message
7. Greenwald's columns are great, thought-provoking and insightful.
He is right on target with this one too, especially in correctly seeing how unwilling many journalists are to accept valid, important criticism and change what they do.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #7
8. Salon was wicked smart to hire him
It's mind-boggling to me the high quality commentary that he and Digby, my other favorite longform blogger, produce every single day. I don't know if Digby wants to "go commercial," but I don't want to live in a world where he and his fellow blogger Tristero aren't getting lucrative offers on a regular basis.

As for Glenn, it's been interesting to watch his evolution. He is a mature, measured person, but faced with so much GOP chicanery, he's starting to show hints of a snarky edge. In his book, http://www.amazon.com/Patriot-Defending-American-Values-President/dp/097794400X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-0070257-3472051?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1175698133&sr=8-1">"How Would a Patriot Act," he describes how he went from being generally comfortable with American politics to being ever-more horrified by the un-ethical, un-Constitutional, and un-American behavior of the worst. administration. ever.

___

Hey, the liberal light is always on at the Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy. Please stop by and say "hi!"

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 10:22 AM
Response to Original message
9. The 'Journalists' dinner where * gave his 'Nope, no WMDs here' joke
is a stunning indictment. They ALL sat there and laughed...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0TnqUlB4Gg
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #9
10. They are all part of the Royal Court. Of course they laughed at
their sovereign.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #10
14. They have assumed the role of the Court Jester from past centuries or maybe the Court Fool from
from 1400's. They are tools and fools in the hands of Corporations. They sing and dance for their supper. Eric Boehlert's book "Lap Dog Press" was a perfect title too...and a great read.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 01:31 PM
Response to Original message
15. Regarding your last question, I believe, the people do care, however
Edited on Wed Apr-04-07 01:31 PM by Uncle Joe
if it's not reported by the predominant medium of today, which is still television, they are as the tree falling in the forest, nobody hears their concerns.

Many other people are living in the mass corporate media's created *Matrix and for them, that IS their reality. They will not be aware of a problem until the media tell them otherwise or we have another Katrina type event which will blow the curtains back revealing the mass corporate media for what they are, just as the curtains concealing Bush have been removed, to some degree at least.

The mass corporate media spends far more time criticizing and attacking the internet for this very reason. They would happily do to us, as Bush has done to our nation's scientists, stifle debate or curtail it.

* See movie for details.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 04:09 PM
Response to Original message
16. I've always thought it was a three--parter: Congress let us down, the media
let us down, and we let them let us down, to a certain extent (those of us who were at least paying attention).
If we, the People, of, by and for whom this Government is supposed to exist, don't MAKE our representatives in Congress REPRESENT US, or MAKE the media INFORM US (not feed us Orwellian propaganda from the Reich-wing) then we have failed too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 06:19 PM
Response to Original message
19. I would be curious to know ...
how many MSM journalists actually have degrees in Journalism.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 06:40 PM
Response to Original message
20. The apathy of the people and the failure of the press are symptoms . .
Edited on Wed Apr-04-07 06:42 PM by pat_k
of the same "disease."

When people are told to leave it to the "professionals"; when they are incessantly told they are powerless in the face of money and power; when they are shoved out of the "game" that was once theirs, why would they "care"? If you don't believe you can do anything to help or change a situation, why would you be motivated to do anything but look away?

When politics (i.e., the processes through which we make our will known and give our consent to our government officials) becomes a professional's "game" where people are but game pieces; when perception trumps reality; when "strategery" trumps duty, you have entered a world of illusion in which there can be no professional journalism.

There is a single cure and we are it: People who know they are the REAL power brokers. People like Cindy Sheehan who show others how powerful ordinary citizens can be. People who, because they believe they CAN "do something" are "doing something."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 12:35 AM
Response to Reply #20
22. You said a mouthful
Somehow the "grownups" who cheerled this thing are still considered the serious professionals who must still be listened to, when they've been wrong about absolutely everything. They're the pundits, the experts. Attention must be paid. Shrill, whiny hippies that don't love the glorious war are to be marginalized. Fuck them if they were right about everything. No one likes an "I-told-you-soer."

___

Hey, the liberal light is always on at the Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy. Please stop by and say "hi!"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
emmadoggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 01:34 AM
Response to Reply #20
23. Exactly.
I agree. I was completely ignorant of what was going on politically in this country for the first few years of the Bush administration. I was busy being a first-time mom to twins and just trying to keep my head above water with that. Plus, I absolutely LOATHED Bush even before he was "selected". I couldn't stand to see or hear him - literally. I had little time or inclination to watch the news and so I just tuned out to it all.
A little over a year ago it all started to just be too much to keep out and I decided I needed to find out what was going on. I found DU and holy crap! I got more than I bargained for!! But I have learned SO much and have become so much more aware!

Most of the time my family avoids political discussions - I come from a mixed family, some Dems, some Repubs, some moderates/Independents. My mom has always been a Democrat (though sometimes her positions on things that have come up in discussion, really make me go, "huh?" sometimes). Anyway, a few months ago, I bit the bullet and brought up politics with my mom (being she is a Dem-safer territory). I started talking about many of the things that I had learned about this administration and what they have done. I talked about the media and how they cover for the administration and how they keep HUGE stories suppressed. My mom's attitude was one of great scepticism. Most of it, she was completely unaware of. And her whole basic response was one of, "Even if all of that is true, so what? What can you or I do about it?? It's all just politics. All politicians lie, they're all corrupt. We can't do anything about it."

And I think that is a very common response or attitude in America these days. Most people pay little or no attention to politics or world news and what little bit they do hear, they tend to just shrug off and move on to dealing with living their daily lives - it's all so removed and distant from them. Many people feel that what goes on in D.C. has no direct impact on their daily life, so who cares? Or if it does impact their life, they feel there is nothing they can do about it. And I have heard it from more than my Mom that "all politicians are crooks/corrupt" and that it's just the way it is, status quo.

But as we all know, when the Clinton/Lewinsky debacle was going on, it was HUGE - on the news non-stop. Everyone knew every little sordid detail and people chattered about it on the street corner and around the watercooler all over America. Everyone sat up and took notice. Of course, part of that was because of the naughty sexual nature of the issue, but the bigger thing was that it was because the media MADE it a huge story. It was everywhere. You couldn't NOT hear about it. Now, for the last 6 years, stories about scandals or abuses or failures of this administration are maybe mentioned once, a quick gloss-over and then never heard about again, or they are twisted and spun to sound like it's not a big deal or was a simple error by one person or some other such trivialization. It stinks to high heaven. And so people don't hear any warning bells. There is no tone to the stories that says, "Listen up! This is a BIG deal!". And so people go, "hmm" and go on with their life. Sometimes we have to be clobbered over the head to realize the impact of something and it's the media's job to break stuff down so that folks can get a real grasp of the issue. And that is the part that has been lacking and suppressed. No warning bells, no breaking down and explaining just what happened and why it is bad/wrong/illegal etc. - and then FOLLOWING UP on the story to keep it in viewers minds and show that it didn't just fade away or disappear.

Some people are starting to wake up and some voices are starting to break through. The dark tinted glass through which the public has been seeing things is starting to fade, but there is a LONG way to go to get back to the sort of journalism this country had 20, 30 or 40 years ago. And I don't think it will be possible at all unless there are huge media reforms - breaking up the corporate ownership, bringing back the fairness doctrine and so on.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri May 03rd 2024, 12:25 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC