We need a movement to re-draft Wes Clark

[Joe the Revelator]

If the drudge alligations are true. What else are we going to do?

[digno dave]

1. no dice

he knew about it before he dropped out. If he thought he could win he would have stayed in.

[xultar]

2. I'm heading up getting the eblocks back up and running on his site

we need to get Clark a 2nd place finish in WI.

Get to work baby!

[Joe the Revelator]

9. How is that working out?

[Terwilliger]

3. my god...why don't you just vote for Bush right now!

:eyes:

I mean, what the hell is this attitude?

[Joe the Revelator]

5. Well, if its not too late to get a clean canidate...

why settle for one thats going to have the same problems as Clinton.

[Terwilliger]

10. so, Matt Drudge has spoken, and you're ready to jump ship?

Is your attachment to the Democratic party so thin?

Maybe you could think of it as desperation tactics because of Bush's AWOL, and reinvest yourself into supporting Dems.

[Joe the Revelator]

12. Forgive me

but wanting to keep supporting the same democratic canidate i have since the beggning is HARDLY jumping ship.

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[Joe the Revelator]

26. You are right he did quit

Yesterday, situations change however, and he is still my canidate of choice. I'm not getting down on the kerry people, but still thinking from a political perspective, if Clark should get back in to save the nomination.

[krkaufman]

27. Nobody's talking 3rd party, here

I assume the Re-Draft Clark effort would be to bring him back within the Dem nomination process -- which still has FIVE MONTHS before the convention, and the leading nominee currently only has 20% of the necessary delegates.

(Clark still has my vote come March 16th.)

[Joe the Revelator]

29. Exactly! Thank you!

[John_H]

57. Even though you're as scared of a revived Clark campaign as rove is

I agree with you 100 percent. Clark is gone, will endorse Kerry tomorrow, and there ain't no bringing him back.

Clark supporters should defend Kerry against opportunistic, shameless, smarmy, despicable, ugly, and pig-like attacks, no matter where they come from.

[ignatiusr]

4. That's an awesome idea

Even if it didn't pan out, it would be another way to honor him, although if it's true that he already knew Kerry would implode, I doubt he would respond to it.

[krkaufman]

50. Clark wouldn't need to "agree"

We could all simply vote/write-in for Clark, and, in those states where we're able to hit the 15% threshold, the delegates would shift to the Clark-endorsed candidate at the convention.

[xultar]

6. Clark Supporters Pledge, place in your siggy and put the avatar back up!

Clark Supporters Pledge:

"I hearby solemnly swear, I will vote for Wesley Clark in the primary. I will not take my Wes Clark sign down, my bumper stickers OR pin off until after the primaries are over."

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. I swear.

My vote goes to NO ONE but Wes Clark.

[BootinUp]

7. I just saw this drudge thing - sobering

I think we need to let this ride for 24 hours before we bother Wes. Its too early to know exactly what is going on here. *secretly crossing fingers*

[Terwilliger]

14. sobering that it's something to "talk to Wes about"

Wes dropped out.

[krkaufman]

30. Yeah, what better maneuver could he have pulled?

Knowing that he couldn't fight the media... get out, let the media take Kerry down, and then get back in to rescue party. :)

(Obviously NOT the plan. He was sincerely emotional during yesterday's speech.)

[Terwilliger]

35. which would make him out to be a liar

I believe he said in his concession speech that he was withdrawing and that he supported the Democratic party...

:shrug:

what else is there?

[Joe the Revelator]

36. Things change Terwilliger

If for some reason this does force Kerry to falter, then we're going to need a strong leader back in the race because at the moment there is no one else left that can lead a ticket.

[Terwilliger]

37. that's your opinion

and Clark can't just say one thing and do another

[Joe the Revelator]

38. and that would be your opinion

It would be like Joe Gibbs never coming back to football. He saw his team was in trouble and he stepped back in to try to change it. The same thing could happen with Clark and the democrats. I wouldn't hold it against him.

[stickdog]

46. Why not? It's worked for Bush his entire political career. (nt)

[LiberalBushFan]

40. Changing your mind is obviously not lying.

Unless he said "I promise that I'm dropping out" which he didn't.

It'd kind of like when y'all were saying he was flip-flopping when he was deciding whether to run. That's Kindergarden.

[krkaufman]

51. As I said in my post...

I do NOT think Clark had any hidden plan in withdrawing.

However, as ColdnGrey says, things change. I don't think he'd refuse the nomination, were it to be offered, and getting back into the race should Kerry "implode" *would* be supporting the Democratic Party -- in that he'd be offering the Party a candidate who could win in the Fall.

[PAMod]

8. You just made me spit Yoo-hoo all over my screen! eom

[mrgorth]

11. I say we duck tape him to a pick-up and MAKE him run!

Vive le France!

[Adelante]

13. Spank

:spank:

No joy in this slime, no way.

[Joe the Revelator]

16. Who is joyful?

I'm just working on contingency plans.

[Adelante]

20. Remember how we felt the other night

when we were in terrible pain. This is a painful time for Kerry supporters, whether it turns out to be true or not true. Too many Democrats today appear to be relishing it. I think Gen. Clark would want us to be sensitive and circumspect today.

Now, if I am misinterpreting your post, I apologize to you, sincerely.

[Auntie Bush]

22. WesDem...I really miss your Clark atavar.

Can't you put it back for awhile?

[Adelante]

24. There you go, sweetie

:)

[Joe the Revelator]

25. Like i said, I'm not joyful at the news

I was hoping for a Kerry/Clark ticket, however I don't think it would be prudent to not discuss if there was any way for Clark to get back in after this because it evens the field a little going into wisconson. Its a pipe dream, but one that i felt should have been discussed.

If i offended anyone Clark supporters or Kerry supporters, i am truly sorry as that was not my intention.

[Adelante]

32. smooch

:loveya:

[Joe the Revelator]

34. I just now read your sig

I didn't know you changed your name :-D. Keep giving 'em hell.

[Adelante]

39. I'm surprised you didn't recognize my

:spank: :D

[youngred]

15. I wish he hadn't dropped in the first place

but it would be a disaster for his support to drop and then come back. If only he'd waited awhile :-(

[DancingBear]

18. It wouldn't have mattered

The same folks who are now fostering the Kerry infidelity stuff just would have waited Clark out.

The longer Kerry stayed in w/Clark, the more the media would have ignored Wes and given Kerry the nomination anyway. Whoever is behind this Kerry stuff (gee??) would have been just as glad to spring it closer to the GE anyway.

[HoosierClarkie]

21. I agree.

I will NEVER forget what the MEDIA did to the Clark camp. I do not care who is in denial! You're absolutely right. They (you know who) were just waiting for Clark to drop out to start unleashing.

[krkaufman]

52. E X A C T L Y...

Just watch how much more we hear Clark's name in the next few weeks, now that he's out, than during his active candidacy.

The anti-Kerry smears would have been kept in reserve until Clark left the race, so the sooner the better.

[Auntie Bush]

23. I won't abandom Clark

Something will happen...he's coming back. The Sheeple will wake up from their snooze and start thinking!

[Joe the Revelator]

54. Kick

:kick:

[maddezmom]

28. Clark is going to endorse Kerry

don't have a link. But folks are talking about it on anther link here at DU now.

[Joe the Revelator]

33. Yeah i saw that....weird...

In all reality i hope this blows over just like Bimbogate did in '92. Kerry needs to bring in Carville.

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41. The Daily Show suggested that clark is raising anarmy to stage acoup

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=749791#751930

[Adelante]

43. Merci beau-coup

:scared:

[mikehiggins]

44. Who spilled the beans? Bennett?

I thought that whole coup thing was supposed to be kept under wraps.

Damn. Can't even have a decent conspiracy anymore.

Unless you're Skull 'n Bones of course ;^)

[Nicholas_J]

42. The only source drudge has for his Kerry report

Were the statements made by Clark about Kerry's canpaign imploding over an intern.

Dont you think that a a day after Clark makes the comment, he drops out, and then two days after he drops out, he endorses Kerry a bit unusual?

[mikehiggins]

45. That wasn't what I read

My understanding was that this was an ongoing story AND that Clark supposedly mentioned it to some reporters in an off-the-record comment.

Naturally, I'm sure Clark counts on off-the-record conversations with reporters staying off-the-record these days.

Who were the reporters? Novak and O'Rielly and Scarborough and _ucker Carlson and Wolf Blitzer? Oh, excuse me. That isn't fair to Novak and O'Rielly and Scarborough and Carlson. They have ethics.

[bowens43]

65. Clark is not a stupid man

he KNEW that anything he said would eventually be used. He is quite familiar with the way the press operates. This was a calculated attack by a sore loser.

[Joe the Revelator]

48. I've heard a lot of people use the term "unsusual"

over the timing here. Can someone explain to me why because my frazzled mind can't make the connection today for some reason.

[krkaufman]

53. Clark wouldn't leave the race if he thought Kerry was going to implode n/t

[stickdog]

47. Don't change those avatars yet! (nt)

[Kolesar]

49. HA! times ten to the sixth power

[exclark4dean]

55. Support Dean / The closest to Clark ! -eom-

[YouMustBeKiddingMe]

56. Oh please. Why do you guys do this to yourselves?

[Joe the Revelator]

58. because if for some reason this does cause Kerry to falter..

then we're going to need a strong leader back in the race because at the moment there is no one else left that can lead a ticket.

[YouMustBeKiddingMe]

59. But get realistic

Neither is going to happen.

Let's say for the sake of argument that Kerry did drop out. It's not realistic that Clark would re-enter the race. He already knew about the Kerry allegations anyway, remember?

And, you guys are giving Drudge FAR too much credit. I don't know how Kerry will handle this, but deal with it he will. The Kerry campaign is not going to be derailed by this. No matter how much you wish this to be a fatal blow to Kerry, it's not going to happen. Be realistic.

That's why I said, why do you guys do this to yourselves. i meant it in all sincerity. It's like this is the first election some of you guys have ever been through. Totally unrealistic expectations.

[Joe the Revelator]

60. Speaking of being realistic...

If you don't think that this, even if its not true, is going to hurt Kerry in WI and beyond then you are the naive one not me.

[bowens43]

63. Any of the remaining candidates would be preferable to Clark.

Are you familiar with the primary results? Clark has no support. He is an extremely weak candidate. No experience, no history, no viable policies and his military career is a HUGE negative. Most people are not willing to turn the presidency over to a career military man.

[bowens43]

61. Give it up.

Clark's out. The people have spoken. Clark had nothing to offer and what ever happens with Kerry, that hasn't changed. What we should do is look into Clark's role in the release of these allegations.

[LuLu550]

62. you don't need to re-draft him

Just vote for him in your primary and get others to do the same...
He is on many ballots, like my state of NY...others can write him in.
If he gets enough delegates, he will still be a force at the convention.

[mikehiggins]

64. I just posted something about the Wesley Clark Society

you might find interesting.