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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 06:32 PM
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www.RunGaryHart.com
Why a draft?


The American ideal is, in Lincoln’s words, a government “of the people, by the people, for the people”. Unfortunately in today’s America, government comes at the people. The first requirement to run for office is a large campaign war chest. (Which is needed to finance attack ads against the other candidate.) That war chest frequently comes from special interest groups, each with their own agendas. Thus the candidates are beholden to their financial backers. The media then report on the “horserace” of which candidate has raised the most money. This is soon followed by the media then conducting and reporting polls comparing the candidates in the “horserace”. Thus the media attempts to define which candidate is relevant long before the average citizen has even started to think about the election. Somehow, in all of the media coverage of the “horserace”, ideas get lost and obscured.

We want to change this. With the magic of the Internet, we are again a village. We can now bypass many of the media filters on reporting news. More importantly, we can come together and organize for a candidate that we choose. One who comes from us, not one who comes at us, marketed and packaged like a bar of soap. Based up his vast experience we believe that former Colorado Senator Gary W. Hart is the best man to lead this country as President. To wit:

*Appellate attorney in the U.S. Department of Justice, a special assistant at the U.S. Department of the Interior.

*Campaign manager for George McGovern's presidential campaign in 1971-1972, which sought to end the Vietnam War.

*United States Senator from Colorado 1975-1987
-Served on the Church Committee which investigated abuses by US intelligence agencies in the 1960’s and 1970’s.

-Specialized in military reform, arms control, and defense policy

-Coauthored The Semiconductor Chip Protection Act (SCPA) of 1984. The SCPA recognized a new federal intellectual property right, independent of patent or copyright law, for computer chips.

-Investigated the environmental catastrophe at the Three Mile Island nuclear plant, and otherwise dutifully protected the environment.

*Winner of the most Democratic Primaries in 1984 with his campaign of new ideas, which sought to revitalize the Democratic Party.

*Co-chair of the U.S. Commission on National Security for the 21st Century which presciently predicted, ““America will be attacked by terrorists using weapons of mass destruction and Americans will lose their lives on American soil, possibly in large numbers.” US Commission on National Security, 9/15/1999

*Author of numerous books, essays and interviews on relevant topics in politics and related subjects. (See garyhartnews.com, HuffPost, or Google his name!)

More importantly, at a time when the nation is involved in a bloody occupation in a foreign land, he is the BEST candidate for the party to put forth both because of his experience, and his stated opposition to the invasion in Iraq. In 2002, Hart warned that invading Iraq would "kick open a hornet's nest". The issue of the war in Iraq is particularly relevant in that the present field of candidates is largely a clique of Senators who failed to assert their Constitutional duty of curbing the power of a war-mongering President to engage in an elective war under false pretenses, and instead, voted to allow an invasion of Iraq. One unnamed Senator, possibly now a candidate for our nomination, actually said, "we'll give him this vote, get it out of the way and then be able to focus the 2002 election on the issues we do best on: the economy, education, healthcare, corporate corruption."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-zogby/four-years-later-leaders_b_43601.html
This statement is a fair representation of how this Senator’s club played politics with the matter of war and peace. To them authorizing a war was nothing more than a political football, something to punt away. And these people want to be our President?

But if we are to judge the war authorization vote from a purely political perspective, and ignore the morality of playing politics when voting for war, this group is still inept. Not a single Senator in this clique offered an alternative to the Republican war authorization. They sat back and allowed the opposition to frame the debate as a choice between one, and only one, option: the pseudo-war resolution. (A pseudo-war resolution, in that it was not the declaration of war as required by the Constitution.) There was, of course, one wise man, who counseled Senate Democrats to avoid getting painted into a corner politically. "I told them, 'Don't get into a situation where you have to vote up or down on his war resolution; propose an alternative,'" :
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2003/04/03/hart/index.html
That wise man was, of course, Gary Hart. (Hart suggested increasing inspections by 3 or 4 fold with a U.N. force, a nationwide no fly-zone, and inspections of all commerce entering an leaving Iraq. All of which would have been cheaper than the war and present occupation.) To make such an alternative proposal required thought and effort, and was something none of these Senators choose to do.

Perhaps they were to busy raising money and planning their Presidential campaigns?


So let the word go forth from this time and place,

:kick: HART 2008! :kick:
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 06:33 PM
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1. how old is he now 100!!!
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 06:38 PM
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3. 70 and younger than McCain. So what? n/t
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 02:15 PM
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44. three months younger than McCain
and McCain is considered by many to be too old.

I love Gary Hart, and he'd make a great Secretary of Homeland Security in the next administration, but I don't think he should run, nor do i think he could win the nomination.
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-02-07 10:58 AM
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47. Ben Franklin was 84 at the Constitutional Convention. Should we take him off the C-note?
At a time of great Constitutional stress, the party and the country need an elder statesman.

Gary Hart is that man!

http://www.garyhartnews.com
http://www.rungaryhart.com

:kick: HART 2008!:kick:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 06:36 PM
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2. I always liked Gary Hart.
I think he has a lot to offer the country. If he decided to run, I think he would make an interesting addition to the democratic primaries.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 06:41 PM
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6. And his skeletons are already out of the way...
...since 1988.;)

It certainly can be argued that he's one of the foremost experts in national security as it relates to terrorism.:thumbsup:
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 07:19 AM
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8. Who else is better on this issue?
Edited on Tue Apr-03-07 07:26 AM by Hart2008
Who could the Republicans possibly run against Hart who is better on this issue?

Warren Rudman?
;)

Actually it was 1987, but the skeleton really belonged to others in the party, or at least the fingerprints on the knife in Gary’s back. That is another issue that has long been obscured…

:kick: HART 2008! :kick:


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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 01:04 PM
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41. Who stabbed him in the back?
Seriously, I need to know.

One of my students in my English Composition class is doing a paper on the Gary Hart scandal and I could help her find some information.
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-25-07 05:10 AM
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42. Qui Bono?
Edited on Wed Apr-25-07 05:18 AM by Hart2008
I will PM you since I don't want to be too controversial here, but this has been written about. I don't want to get the thread locked.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 05:51 PM
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17. Awesome
Gary Hart is one of those rare truly thoughtful politicians. The guy knows his stuff. We NEED a president like Hart. I'd vote for him in a minute.
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 02:39 PM
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29. Are you willing to publicly endorse drafting Gary Hart?
I tried to PM you, but you cannot receive private messages yet.

You state that you are Democrat who has considered running for the Presidency. Presumably you are a well known Democrat.

Are you willing to publicly endorse drafting Gary Hart?


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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 06:38 PM
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4. His voice would be most welcome in the primaries. n/t
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CaptainRant Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:31 AM
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40. He's a great guy.
nm
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 06:40 PM
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5. I will explore the website. 'Am in the Edwards camp but have long
admired Gary Hart.

I volunteered for him against Walter Mondale, in fact.

Hart is no slouch on foreign policy and would not be afraid to negotiate with Iran and Syria, for instance.

He's a good man.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 07:19 PM
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7. Draft Gore n/t
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 07:06 AM
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9. Hart’s latest post on Huffpost
Hart’s latest post on Huffpost, a publication of advise he offered to Congressional Democrats on relations with Russia:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gary-hart/letter-to-democrats-on-u_b_45075.html

Read Hart’s well reasoned advice and recommendation for cooperating with Russia in fighting the war on terror and preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.

Ask yourself, which candidate in the present field could offer the same advice or attract Independents and dissatisfied Republicans looking for a President with rock solid foreign relations skills in the general election?

:kick: HART 2008! :kick:
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 06:58 PM
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19. None
Edited on Mon Apr-09-07 06:59 PM by democrat2thecore
You are right about that. Hart is intellectually head and shoulders above the rest of the field. The man knows his stuff and is no fluff. Sorry...didn't mean to rhyme that(!)

EDIT: I read the post at Huff and that's what I was referring to. It's just so obvious how sharp he is.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 07:54 AM
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10. I've always like Gary Hart. If he gets in he moves into my top three. nt
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 09:17 AM
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11. It is clear from the percentage of your posts boosting Hart
and the newness of your participation at DU, that your mission is to recruit support for the former Senator. I would guess that you are associated with his campaign in some significant way. So could you provide some insight as to why you think that Hart has a realistic chance at winning the nomination given the current field, the amount of money raised so far and the collective short-term memory of the American people as to his prior accomplishments. This is not a hostile post, I genuinely want to know what Hart's people are thinking because it looks to be as long a shot at success as there is in '08?
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 09:43 AM
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12. It is better to light a candle, than to curse the darkness!
Edited on Sun Apr-08-07 09:48 AM by Hart2008
I wouldn’t say I am really new here. ;)

The questions you pose are mostly “horse race”. You are falling for the MSM propaganda trap of judging the contest before it has even begun. For perspective, Bill Clinton announced his bid for the Presidency in October 1991, so it is still incredibly early. This being a place where party activists blog, it is a great site to interact with other activists. The Internet is the natural medium for him. He can post his ideas without the media filter that has been present heretofore.

Gary Hart has long been my choice for President. I am not getting paid for blogging here. I sincerely believe he is the best person to nominate. This is a weak field. As previously stated, it is mostly a clique of Senators who voted for the mess we have presently in Iraq. So the field either lacks experience, Obama, or hasn’t shown good judgment or leadership. If Gary Hart enters this race against these candidates he will go through this field like a bull through a china shop.

Who in this field has better credentials and experience in International relations and defending the homeland against terrorism?

I do pray for his safety. Last time they assassinated his character. He has overcome that. Next time they may try to kill him. It is a very real concern. Many of the figures involved in the Iran-contra affair, the true scandal and affront to the Constitution in 1987, have risen to positions of power and they have done whatever was possible to remain there. They will not go quietly, and this may get ugly. In fact, I expect it. They don’t want the truth to come out, and some of the truth may surprise you.

But to return to you question, he is the best candidate. If he enters he will have the best plans, for healthcare and everything else. You will be amazed. If he gets a fair hearing on the issues, he wins.

In short, he is Gary Hart, and they are not.
;)


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treelogger Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 11:04 PM
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13. That wasn't an answer, it was propaganda.
Wow, that post was utterly devoid of any reasoning, or of any facts. Just innuendo and claims. I want to see a 2-page expose on Mr. Hart's "credentials and experience in International relations and defending the homeland against terrorism", or why he is "the best candidate". If "The Internet is the natural medium for him. He can post his ideas ...", then why does he have such a bad PR agent doing the posting for him?

If Mr. Hart's style of politics matches those of his supporters, then I'm extremely glad that he is an also-ran.

My take on it: Poster "Hart2008" is doing Hart's campaign a terrible disservice right now. Whether this is intentional or not I don't know. Don't ascribe to malice what can be explained by incomptence.
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 09:53 AM
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14. Here’s the Beef!
“A more visible spokesman on issues of national security than any Democrat in the Senate.”
The New York Times Magazine

To begin with, I am not Hart’s PR agent, nor is there a Hart campaign as such at this point in time. I do not post on his behalf, nor am I paid. I am part of a group of loyal Hartistas hoping to recruit the former Colorado Senator and Co-chair of the U.S. Commission on National Security for the 21st Century to run for President again as our candidate. I believe he is the best possible candidate for the party to put forth. I encourage any group who feels that a better candidate is not running to recruit that candidate as well. We will welcome the debate.

The issue is: Who is the best candidate for the Democratic Party to put forth to challenge the Republicans on the Invasion of Iraq and defending the homeland against terrorists?

I am still waiting for an intelligent debate on this issue.

What candidate is better than Gary Hart on these major issues of the day?

There is no answer to the challenge. I will take on all comers.


Instead of an intelligent debate, I have received a personal attack that I, as a volunteer, am an incompetent PR agent. The draft site volunteers have taken a bit longer than expected to get the draft site up and running, but Gary Hart doesn’t need me to put forth his ideas. He has written very extensively on the issues. His writings are available in print, and on the Internet:

http://www.garyhartnews.com/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gary-hart/
http://www.amazon.com/ (author of 17 books)

The beauty of the Internet is that it is not filtered. The reader can get the views of the candidate without editing or bias. Gary Hart is not, and has never been about money, pollsters, handlers, or focus groups. Hart has always been about ideas. To many, this is a radical concept. Because of those ideas, 20 years since his last national campaign, Hart still has a loyal group of followers that are ready to go forth and do battle for these ideas. I have also seen him on college campuses where is idealism attracts young people to these ideas and ideals.

The record is laid out plainly on the Internet:

Hart served as the co-chair of the Commission on National Security for the 21st Century (Commonly referred to as the Hart/Rudman Commission.) It is comprised of three volumes and is available for download but it is much more than the 2 page “expose” the poster requests:
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/nssg/Reports/reports.htm
“In its Jan. 31 report, seven Democrats and seven Republicans unanimously approved 50 recommendations. Many of them addressed the point that, in the words of the commission's executive summary, "the combination of unconventional weapons proliferation with the persistence of international terrorism will end the relative invulnerability of the U.S. homeland to catastrophic attack."

"A direct attack against American citizens on American soil is likely over the next quarter century," according to the report.
The commission recommended the formation of a Cabinet-level position to combat terrorism. The proposed National Homeland Security Agency director would have "responsibility for planning, coordinating, and integrating various U.S. government activities involved in homeland security,":
http://www.democrats.us/beta/forum/view_topic.php?id=788&forum_id=3
The Hart-Rudman Commission was the most comprehensive review of U.S. defense policy since the end of the Second World War. Both the report itself and the following presentation by the Commission to Congress was all but ignored by the national news media, Hart: “WShen our final report came out in 2001, it did not receive word one in the New York Times. Zero. The Washington Post put it on Page 3 or 4, below the fold.”
http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2004/04/02/hart/index.html?pn=2
Rudman-Hart Commission Warns of Terrorist Attack: Why Did the News Media Ignore It?
http://www.brook.edu/comm/transcripts/20020206.htm
Hart and Rudman met with senior Bush administration officials to discuss the commission’s 50 proposals. While notes where taken at the meeting, the matter was referred to the Cheney’s office where it died, Congressional Republicans deferred to the Vice-President. "Frankly, the White House shut it down," Hart says. "The president said 'Please wait, we're going to turn this over to the vice president. We believe FEMA is competent to coordinate this effort.' And so Congress moved on to other things, like tax cuts and the issue of the day.":
http://www.democrats.us/beta/forum/view_topic.php?id=788&forum_id=3
(And I might add, resurrecting the Star Wars defense plan.)

On September 6th, 2001 the headline in the paper in Montreal read, “"Hart predicts terrorist attacks on America." The story was completely ignored in the U.S. news media.
That same day, September 6, 2001, Hart again contacted Condi Rice and personally requested that the administration do more about domestic terrorism. Condi said she would refer his request to the V.P.:
Condi Rice's other wake-up call
http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2004/04/02/hart/index.html?pn=2

After 9-11, Hart continued to work with his colleague, former Senator Rudman on the issue of Homeland security, specifically what the Bush administration had failed to do:
America - Still Unprepared, Still in Danger
http://cis.state.mi.us/mpsc/reports/AmStillUnprep.pdf

When Bush indicated that he would use the war on terrorism as an rationale for invading Iraq, Hart was the first to speak out. Shut out by the MSM, his editorial was published in the U.K.:

Iraq and American Unilateralism
http://www.garyhartnews.com/hart/writings/columns/colum...
By GARY HART

“If we are at war against terrorism, that war's most visible battlefield for most Americans today is the luggage check at the nearest airport.

Meanwhile, 9/11 offered the first central organising principle for foreign policy and military action since the demise of "containment of communism" and the collapse of the Soviet Union eleven years ago. Now those whose ability to comprehend the world requires a villain are happily planning a new mission for the United States in the 21st century - eradicating evil from the world, starting with Saddam Hussein. Having helped to dispatch fascism in mid-20th century, and then successfully faced-off against expansionist communism in the late 20th century, those requiring a messianic purpose for America's role in the world have found it in the "axis of evil" - Iran, Iraq, and North Korea - and more vividly in the personification of evil, Saddam Hussein.

Having stagnated somewhere along Afghanistan's craggy border with Pakistan, the war on terrorism has migrated to Baghdad. If Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction, the ability to deliver them and the will to do so, there will be a broad consensus among the American people to undertake military operations to prevent him from carrying out his will.
But some better showing must be made than has hitherto been done that those conditions have been met. Though US presidents find it inconvenient to remember this, the Army still does belong to the people. And as bereaved and furious as we still are post-9/11 at the attacks on unarmed civilians, political leaders must still make the case for potential loss of thousands of American military personnel, and tens of thousands of Iraqi civilian lives.

Yet, it is a minor irony that those in America who ridiculed Jimmy Carter's human-rights beliefs as the basis for a "realistic" foreign policy have now trumped him by seeking to make America the world's avenging angel.”

You may excused for not knowing this since it was published in The Times (of London) in the U.K. Hart continued to speak out against the planned Iraq war in October 2002.

President Bush Silent on Potential Costs of War with Iraq:
http://www.international.ucla.edu/bcir/article.asp?parentid=2229

Hart’s latest thoughts on protecting the homeland are in his latest book, The Shield and the Cloak: The Security of the Commons (Paperback)

Editorial Reviews of The Shield and the Cloak
From Publishers Weekly
Former Senator Hart argues in this treatise the future of national security that 9/11 was an "opportunity to redefine America's role in the world," but one the U.S. is misusing "by waging preemptive warfare in the Middle East and thus possibly increasing the threat." Hart proposes the military abandon traditional notions of warfare ("Fast fighters, giant carriers, monster tanks, big missiles") in favor of increasing the number of special forces units that can be deployed quickly and quietly against insurgents whose organization is akin to "cancerous cells." Hart would have the National Guard, no longer required as an invasion and occupation force, recast as a "homeland security shield." This is an accessible and stimulating read for those interested in national security, politics and terrorism.
Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.

From The Washington Post's Book World/washingtonpost.com
In The Shield and the Cloak: The Security of the Commons (Oxford Univ., $22) former Democratic presidential candidate and senator Gary Hart defines American security broadly. It's not just protecting the United States from the kind of spectacular terrorist attacks warned about by the commission he co-chaired before 9/11; it's also a matter of ensuring trust between citizens and government. Hart roundly criticizes the Bush administration for misleading the public about the Iraq War. "The only issue for history," he writes, "is whether we waged preventive war unnecessarily based on staggeringly wrong factual mistakes or whether our nation's leaders were guilty of massive mendacity." He also argues that the doctrine of preemptive war is unprincipled. The world has many dangerous dictators, and we cannot invade the countries of them all. By "reserving to itself the right to determine when, where, and under what conditions it will invade other countries," Hart contends, the United States is behaving like "a bully at best and a renegade at worst."
Hart's proposed remedies for our current security gaps range from establishing a new, elite intelligence corps with "Arab-American young people, not Anglo Americans the primary recruits" to increasing federal expenditures for science education. Security, in his view, is not measured only by our ability to ward off threats from afar. "The national security policy of the United States in the early twenty-first century," he proposes, "must incorporate the transformation of the U.S. economy, a new role for the United States in the world, and a new approach to military and intelligence organizations and training." How will we know when we are safe? Hart suggests "one possible standard: When every child in America is secure, then America will be secure."
Copyright 2006, The Washington Post. All Rights Reserved. --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.

Book Description
Gary Hart has long been one of the nation's foremost experts on national security, combining a deep knowledge of national security policy with first-hand experience of the political realities that influence how America safeguards itself and its interests. In his new book, Hart outlines the fundamental changes with which America must grapple when confronting the current terrorist threat--a threat with no state and no geographic home-base and thus no real target for the world's largest and most sophisticated military force. Hart argues for a security of the commons, emphasizing that the new security will require a shield for the homeland as well as a cloak of non-military security, including security of income, community, environment, and energy.

About the Author
Gary Hart represented Colorado in the U.S. Senate from 1975 to 1987. He is the author of seventeen books, has taught at Yale, and lectured at the University of California and Oxford University, where he earned a doctor of philosophy degree in politics in 2001. As co-chair of the U.S. Commission on National Security for the 21st Century, he was credited with forecasting a 9/11-type attack. He resides with his family in Kittredge, Colorado.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-description/0195326962/sr=8-3/qid=1176127790/ref=dp_proddesc_0/002-7059507-9628020?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books&qid=1176127790&sr=8-3
Hart is the recognized authority in the Democratic Party on Homeland security and National defense:

"In a word, what I advocated was 'Be proactive,'" he said. "Don't just vote against things put forward by this administration, and don't let just one party or one administration define national security."
Hart Urges Democrats to be Proactive on National Defense
By Jeff Johnson
January 10, 2003
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPentagon.asp?Page=\Pentagon\archive\200301\PEN20030110a.html

This is the same advice that he gave to the Senate Democrats in the previously cited link:
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2003/04/03/hart/index.html

So do you want to nominate the instructor, or the students who flunked the exam?

I am still waiting for a serious debate.

:kick: HART 2008! :kick:
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 04:07 PM
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15. More Beef: Hart on International relations
Gary Hart served as counsel in the Denver office of Coudert Brothers, a multinational law firm. Senator Hart represented the state of Colorado in the United States Senate from 1975 to 1987 and was a candidate for the Democratic nomination for President in 1984. During his 12 years in the Senate, he served on the Armed Services, Budget and Environmental Committees. He was also a congressional advisor to the SALT II talks in Geneva and held lengthy discussions in Moscow with General Secretary Gorbachev and Foreign Minister Shevardnadze on arms control, human rights and other international issues. Hart is a member of the Board of Directors of the Russian-American Enterprise Fund, which was created by Congress in 1993. In 1996, Senator Hart was McCallum Memorial Lecturer at Oxford and in 1998 was Regents Lecturer at the University of California. He also served as a member of the Defense Policy Board and a member of the Commission on U.S. National Security in the 21st Century. Senator Hart is a graduate of the Yale Law School, the Yale Divinity School and Southern Nazarene University.

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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 04:12 PM
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16. We need Hart in the race
It would be difficult for anyone to jump in the race and contend right now, aside from Al Gore. Elections should be about ideas, though. We need Hart's intelligence, experience, and most importantly his ideas in the race. The party and nation can only be strengthened by having more ideas on the table.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 07:04 PM
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21. People will be SICK of the front-runners
Come the big primary day, after Iowa and New Hampshire - if you're on the ballot you'll have a shot. I am one of those that believe this has all started so early that people will be so sick of the front-runners that by then a dark horse will have a shot. Money buys commercials, which can sometimes just remind people of how much they DON'T like you. The last thing a lot of voters will want to see is ANOTHER (fill-in-the-blank of front-runners) commercial.
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 02:21 PM
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38. It was 20 years ago today that Hart announced in '87
I still remember the majestic Colorado Rockies behind him as he spoke.

I disagree that it is too late for him to enter and compete.

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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 05:54 PM
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18. Hart2008: Has Hart weighed-in on this?
Hart2008: Have you heard if he's the least bit interested? I remember when I toyed with the idea of running last time and hoped he did, but decided it wasn't the time. Does
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 07:04 PM
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20. Maybe Hart2008...

.... is Gary Hart!!

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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:50 PM
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23. Thank you for the high compliment!
:rofl:

Thank you for the high compliment, but I do not write as well as the former Senator, nor am I he.

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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 11:59 AM
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22. He still has an “itch” to scratch.
The Sage of Troublesome Gulch has been “silent as the Sphinx” so far, which, in and of its self, is very unusual for him. Once the draft site is up and running, I expect we should get a statement from him.

I do know that in 2003 he gave serious consideration to running and it was obvious, to me at least, that he still has an “itch” to scratch.
;)

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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 06:05 PM
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24. Ohferchrissakes ...
:banghead:
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AshevilleGuy Donating Member (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 06:53 PM
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25. 1984 was the best example of the machine kicking in.
All of a sudden Mondale started winning primary after primary. Didn't Hart win several at first? Then it was obvious that Mondale would be our nominee no matter what, and that was that! I remember that Tip O'Neal was jubilant over it, and told Hart publicly that "You will have your turn next time, Son!".

Hart probably couldn't have beaten Ronnie, but we will never know. He would certainly have done much better than Mondale!!!

Where does he live now? Could he run for the Senate in 2008?
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ISUGRADIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 07:07 PM
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26. It was a lot longer process back then
Mondale had an orgizational advantage that Hart could not catch up with. If the 2004 calendar was used in 1984 Hart would have probably won the nomination.
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 04:54 AM
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27. The Gallup poll said Hart would beat Reagan!
Edited on Wed Apr-11-07 05:12 AM by Hart2008
The Gallup poll published at the time of the San Francisco convention showed Hart beating Reagan.

Hart won more primaries than Mondale, but Mondale won some of the bigger states with union support:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/8088/Dem1984.html
Mondale needed the “Super-delegates” to secure the nomination. Hart,I believe, had more pledged delegates from the primaries and caucuses.

Hart still lives in the Denver area, so we should expect to see him at the convention. He has no intention of returning to the Senate.



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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 02:30 PM
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46. IMAGINE if Hart won in 1984...and why the polls do matter
Edited on Sat Apr-28-07 02:31 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
If Hart won the nomination in 1984 we may have been spared four more years of Reagan--and consequently four years of Bush I and most importantly eight years of Bush II. That would have meant no Iraq war. That would have meant none of the Bush disasters of the past six years.

We ignored the polls in 1984. We paid a heavy, heavy price. We cannot afford to foolishly do the same again and sentence ourselves to even more years of Republican rule.
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 07:55 AM
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28. um... NO. nt
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 02:46 PM
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30. Baby boomers had their shot. It is time for a new generation!
A generation that went from idealistic to compromised, cannot be trusted with the reigns of power again.
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 06:56 PM
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31. What a bigoted statement ! And factually incorrect too!
Edited on Wed Apr-11-07 07:03 PM by Hart2008
What a bigoted statement you just made. You really should be embarrassed. Not only was the statement bigoted, it is also factually incorrect.

You must have failed math or history.
Hart is 70 years old.
2007-70=1937
Really he was born in 1938

But Baby Boomer refers to those born after World War II (1945):
“A baby boomer is someone who was born during a period of increased birth rates, or baby boom, and the term is particularly applied to those born during the post-World War II period of increased birth rates.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boomer

You are off by two generations.

Hart is from the Silent Generation:
“The Silent grew up as the suffocated children of war and depression. They came of age too late to be war heroes (they fought the Korean War to a tie) and just too early to be youthful free spirits…Thus far, they are the only generation from which no president of the United States was ever selected.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Generation

“A generation that went from idealistic to compromised, cannot be trusted with the reigns of power again.”

If you read Hart’s work on restoring the Republic, you would see how very wrong you are about your prejudice. Furthermore, Hart served two terms in the Senate and left. He has never returned to use his Senate floor privileges to work as a lobbyist. He didn’t cash out:
"I have never believed in careerism. The founders thought you ought to serve and move on. Otherwise, you become a captive of the system. You've got to raise millions and millions of dollars to stay in office, and you can get that from lobbyists, and what you trade is access. It's a corrupt system. It's massively corrupt."
THE WAY WE LIVE NOW: 01-08-06: QUESTIONS FOR GARY HART; Over Life on the Hill
New York Times
January 8, 2006
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B06E0D61030F93BA35752C0A9609C8B63&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fPeople%2fH%2fHart%2c%20Gary


Hart has never sold out. When he ran for office he never took money from a PAC.
Never.

When he ran for President in 1984 his refusal to take PAC money caused him severe financial problems, but he stood on principle.

You really need to get your facts straight before you go and slander someone with such a broad brush.

:kick: HART 2008! :kick:


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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:14 PM
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32. Correction: Gary Hart born November 28, 1936 n/t
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:24 AM
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39. The need for an elder statesman
General Zinni was on meet the press Sunday citing the need for "elder statesman" as President who can rise above politics:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10005066

We have that man!

After the past 8 years of "youthful" folly we need a President with deep wisdom. Hart knows what to do with the job.

http://www.rungaryhart.com
http://www.garyhartnews.com


There is no better candidate to run on the issue of the war.

:kick: HART 2008! :kick:

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 09:06 AM
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33. Gary Hart is a good man. I supported his campaign against Mondale,
and if he winds up as our candidate in 2008, I'd be even more strongly for him now.

It's a crowded field of major Democratic talent, though, so I think his odds at the nomination are long.

His odds are long because the field is already crowded and talented, and not because Hart is anything less than a great potential president.

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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 03:26 PM
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34. Well the field may be crowded...but is it really different from '84?
Hart has more name recognition now and no one needs to ask where the "beef" is.

The Hartistas have been waiting to ride again!

VIVAN LOS HARTISTAS!

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 05:19 PM
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36. I wish a good man all good steps.
Go, Democrats.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 03:32 PM
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35. I'm with you. I want MORE candidates, not less. n/t
n/t
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 08:50 AM
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37. We are working on it! n/t
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 02:12 PM
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43. Hart slams Rudy: keep your mouth shut about Democrats and terrorism.
Edited on Sat Apr-28-07 02:27 PM by Hart2008
Gary Hart's latest offering on huffingtonpost to Rudy:
Before you qualify to criticize Democrats, Mr. Giuliani, you must account for your preparation of your city for these clearly predicted attacks. Tell us, please, what steps you took to make your city safer.
Until you do, then I strongly suggest you should keep your mouth shut about Democrats and terrorism.
You have not qualified to criticize others, let alone be president of the United States.

Gary Hart
(co-chair, U.S. Commission on National Security/21st Century)
P.S. You might ask these same questions of George W. Bush while you are trying to find a better reason to run for president.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gary-hart/an-open-letter-to-mayor-g_b_47140.html


:applause: :applause: :applause:

http://www.garyhartnews.com
http://www.rungaryhart.com


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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 02:23 PM
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45. Hart had done careful and thorough thinking on international terrorism
and was among those very good minds that George W. Bush ignored.

A President Gore or a President Kerry would have listened, IMO.

I don't claim to know what Gary Hart is up to these days but I supported him for our nomination over Mondale, and would welcome his voice to the national dialogue now.

He's a good man.
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 06:37 AM
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48. American Security Project: our causes are new so must we think anew.
Hart pre-announces The American Security Project:

"The American Security Project board of directors is composed of respected military leaders, recognized foreign policy and security policy experts, and former elected officials of both political parties. The board and an experienced staff of security experts are committed to innovative approaches. based on historic American Constitutional principles, to new security challenges and to diplomatic and political opportunities to reduce threats and prevent them from arising."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gary-hart/the-american-security-pro_b_48360.html

There is no better candidate on the issue of defending the homeland!

http://www.garyhartnews.com/hart
http://www.rungaryhart.com

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