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ringmastery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:36 AM
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Drudge says recent Kerry infidelity
A frantic behind-the-scenes drama is unfolding around Sen. John Kerry and his quest to lockup the Democratic nomination for president, the DRUDGE REPORT can reveal...



CAMPAIGN DRAMA ROCKS DEMOCRATS: KERRY FIGHTS OFF MEDIA PROBE OF RECENT ALLEGED INFIDELITY, RIVALS PREDICT RUIN
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democrat in Tallahassee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:38 AM
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1. didn't hurt juliani n/t
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ringmastery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:39 AM
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4. more...
Kerry commotion is why Howard Dean has turned increasingly aggressive against Kerry in recent days, and is the key reason why Dean reversed his decision not to drop out of the race after Wisconsin, top campaign sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT....

In an off-the-record conversation with a dozen reporters earlier this week, General Wesley Clark plainly stated: 'Kerry will implode over an intern issue'...
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:14 PM
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82. That is NOT what they are saying on the talk radio
show I listened to on the way home. They are saying that Clark said Kerry could implode (no specific reference to an intern).
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:22 PM
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95. Yep. That was probably Clark's wisdom talking.
Looks as if he was right.
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:38 AM
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2. Oh for crying out loud. That was it?
Unless they were using a chicken, or there were large groups of people present, I honestly do not care where his penis has been.

In the case ot the "lerge groups of people" I only care in so far as I want to see teh pics.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:40 AM
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5. A chicken?
How would that work?
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:35 PM
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102. remember, kinky is using a feather...
...perverted is using the whole chicken.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:16 PM
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124. Ha!
I'll have to remember that. Thanks for the laugh!
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NoMoreRedInk Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:40 AM
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For me it's only a question of honesty. If Theresa is fine with it,
then so am I. That is, of course, if this whole mess is true.

And I'm sure we'll never know the answer to that.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:57 AM
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44. I do not think Teresa will be o.k. with this
She is a grown, independant woman who will not take crap. No way will she take this.
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:36 PM
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105. Why wouldn't she be?
You are, of course, assuming that she didn't introduce the two of them. If it happened at all, which is in doubt as far as I know.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:39 AM
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3. Is this in reference to the National Enquirer story?
:puke:
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:40 AM
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6. now there's new blurbs....
In an off-the-record conversation with a dozen reporters earlier this week, General Wesley Clark plainly stated: 'Kerry will implode over an intern issue'...

Kerry commotion is why Howard Dean has turned increasingly aggressive against Kerry in recent days, and is the key reason why Dean reversed his decision not to drop out of the race after Wisconsin, top campaign sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT....

A serious investigation of the woman and the nature of her relationship with Sen. John Kerry has been underway at TIME magazine, ABC NEWS, the WASHINGTON POST and the ASSOCIATED PRESS, where the woman in question once worked...
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:47 AM
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18. If Clark knew that, then why didn't he stay in?
WTF
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:52 AM
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29. My thoughts exactly
I don't think Clark would have gotten out if he knew this was true.
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Professor Hoodoo Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:54 AM
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35. Because maybe Kerry screwed Clark too?
Ever thought about that?
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:00 PM
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49. Absolutely right - why would Clark get out?
Drudge stuff sometimes disappears after an hour with no trace or mention it was ever there.

I guess he figured Bush needed a lift and didn't want tonight's news to consist of the free for all that is going to take place at today's press briefing over Bush's national guard records.
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libview Donating Member (241 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:19 PM
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93. keep dreaming.....
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:26 PM
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98. Perhaps he wanted to avoid a circular firing squad?
Clark is a good strategist, if he had history of his own that he wanted to protect, and knew it could be a in the street rock and bottle fight, he might want to duck the possibility of whatever it would be getting jumped on by Kerry or Dean.

I suspect this could be an ancient strategy called, "let's you and him fight."

If I am right, Clark might return, though at that point getting back the lost momentum would be difficult.

I will say that this should confound those who urge a narrowing of the field before super tuesday, or indeed, June.
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:53 PM
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116. Lost momemtum?
He didn't have any to lose.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:56 AM
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38. Clark doesn't speak that way.
It's very strange.
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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:09 PM
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70. Exactly, makes no sense
He would of had a smooth ride. Let's remember it's DRUDGE. Also remember the National Enquirer last week had a list of stars that Kerry supposedly had affairs with.
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shivaji Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:32 PM
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101. because Clark lost to Edwards in most states
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:40 PM
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108. probably because he would have to fight from behind Dean and Edwards?
He didn't have the money or support to do that perhaps?
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Shanty Oilish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 06:57 PM
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134. Sometimes it's the obvious
When you can't afford a fundraiser, it's not because you're out of money. The Clark campaign was acknowledging reality, Kerry's 12 for 14 by huge percentages.
Much as I disrespect Clark, I can't see how he would be responsible for this Kerry outing. He probably kept it from emerging, by the simple fact of employing Lehane. Lehane's been out of a job for what, 48 hours? Nobody to restrain him and he needs to shop himself. Suddenly the Enquirer has dirt on Kerry and Drudge, to no one's surprise, has to run the story because it's coming out in the Enquirer. Lehane can't get work from Kerry and so has no incentive to spare Kerry, and he may just have a grudge too.
Clark could have fired this gun anytime, and he didn't. He's getting some splatter because his was the last hand holding Lehane.
Moreover, I'm prepared to believe that Clark will endorse Kerry in the interests of party unity, not because he's looking for a foothold on power. Generals don't enjoy footholds, and he doesn't especially need to be someone's bucket of warm spit.
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:41 AM
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7. Clark: Jump Back In!!!
PLEASE???
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annxburns Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:06 PM
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63. I just thought of something ....
... Clark is still on the ballot in Wisconsin isnt he? What if he wins or comes in second to Edwards?

Does he have to get back in?
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:08 PM
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67. If he won that would be something
Why didn't he wait until Super Tuesday? Aaaaaaargghhh
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:42 AM
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8. Considering What this Did for Bill Clinton's Popularity
This could be the trigger that seals Kerry's nomination.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:46 AM
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14. Clinton accusations were years old, and alternatives were Tsongas, Brown.
However, the discussion did give Clinton and Hillary a chance to be in the spotlight which had been denied them.

Kerry already has the spotlight.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:51 AM
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25. Don't Forget Ms Lewinsky
Or Lewinski, whichever.

The initial crap made Clinton's approval/popularity go sky high, due to sympathy. It's only when looking back at the grief it all caused that some who were sympathetic got pissed at him.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:02 PM
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56. That came out in 98?
If that was the one that came out in 91-92, would he have won in 92?
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:17 PM
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89. I Wasn't Referring to Flowers
When those stories broke, Clinton hadn't yet been crowned King of the Primaries.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:22 PM
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94. He needed the publicity, the stories were old, HRC forgave him.
You remember the episode of Friends where Joey is watching the news report about how bad it is that kids get chicks for easter, only to abandon them by summer. Joey turns off the TV and calls a pet store to see if they have chicks for sale.

That's how the Gennifer Flowers thing worked for Clinton.

The media was paying him no mind, they thought they had a way to destroy him, they went into his home and listened to and saw how he got on with HRC, and millions of viewers ignored the infidelity stuff, thinking, 'hey, I like the way they get along -- they're a modern couple, kind of like my family!"
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:50 PM
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114. Yes, But
Look how it went the next time - "Clinton slept with intern!"

And his approval shot through the roof.

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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:57 PM
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117. That happened at a time when the economy was growing and people
were very happy with the Dems.

And he didn't actually have sex with her. And the Republicans wanted it both ways: they turned his wife into a bisexual shrew and then wanted to criticize the guy for accepting a blow job from a 23 year old.

I could be wrong. But I just wouldn't want to be running for president with FRESH allegations of infidelity. HRC said she and bill had already worked out their problems. Could Kerry say the same?
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:13 PM
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122. No
I do not watch "Friends."
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 05:41 PM
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133. Did I give you enough info so
that you could understand the metaphor, or analogy, or symbolism, or whatever you'd call it?

The media thought they were going to be sellacioulsy destroying Clinton's candidacy.

Clinton used it get people into his life and show them how he and his wife got along.

It worked, partly, because the even was so far in the past, and it wasn't something that was like murder. Gary Hart suffered a different fate because of the recklessness of his behaviour at that time -- he challenged the press to follow him, they did, and he was revealed.
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:17 PM
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88. I like Kerry, but.....
He's no Bill Clinton. Clinton got by because he's smooth and a great campaigner. He also has charisma. Kerry has none of those traits, or at least not on the level Clinton did. Apples and oranges.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:42 AM
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9. janet's breast, and kerry's penis
i don't care where either has been.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:44 AM
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10. It's not true if there's no link
Look. I'm not a Kerry fan, that's obvious. But come on! The Republicans aren't known for their creativity...if an attack worked in the past, then they recycle the same attack in hopes that it will work again.

And if Clark really thought Kerry's campaign would soon implode, then why the hell would he drop out before it happens?? Any Clark supporter would agree that it doesn't make sense, right?

And if it is true...Kerry's in big trouble. Not politically, but personally because from what I've seen of Theresa Heinz, I'm betting she'd kick his ass all the way back to Massachusetts! I would not want to be on that woman's bad side. (another reason why I respect her so much)
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:46 AM
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12. Exactly. Clark would not have dropped if he knew. eom
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:56 AM
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41. Also Clark doesn't speak that way.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:46 AM
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13. Great point
Why would Clark drop out?
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:47 AM
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17. Because he was finishing behind Edwards.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:49 AM
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21. But if he knew Kerry was going down
He'd have a shot, certainly.
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annxburns Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:52 AM
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28. That's right ...
... remember Kerry made Clark's war experience a moot point. Why would Clark drop out if he knew this was going to hit? He could then make the argument he had the experience to lead the U.S. "in a time of war".

But this is good news for Edwards if it is true.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:51 AM
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26. But if the people who support Kerry do so because of his military record..
then who's to say they wouldn't be inclined to vote for Clark if Kerry was brought down by scandal?

I'm not saying that Edwards wouldn't be the frontrunner if Kerry were brought down, but realistically, anything can happen and there's really no sure way to predict what will happen if the frontrunner falls.

The last person I expected to be the frontrunner this summer was Kerry due to his campaign problems...I thought for sure that Clark would have picked up more momentum if Dean fell but that wasn't the case.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:53 AM
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33. People were supporting Kerry because of electability. It'd be a stetch
to think they'd jump down lower than Edwards.

I'm sure they had some bad interenal polls.

They also said they were dropping out because they "weren't getting the smart money."

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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:58 AM
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45. Clark wouldn't be a jump down lower than Edwards
Don't get me wrong, I like Edwards, I honestly believe he would be a decent candidate, but so would Clark. I think Kerry had an edge over Clark because of his history in the Senate...Edwards doesn't have much political experience either. Granted it's more than Clark, but not by much.

But back to the original point, if Clark really though Kerry's campaign was about to implode, he could have ridden it out for another 2 weeks.

And what do you mean by not getting the smart money?
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:03 PM
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58. Read the NYT article.
Edited on Thu Feb-12-04 12:05 PM by AP
Incidentally, in George S's book about Clinton, he talks about how Clinton spent the summer of '91 going around to the smart money -- the top donors to the Dem party -- and convincing them he could beat Bush. They all agreed before the first vote was cast, when Clinton was polling really low.

That's who the smart money is.

If you can't convince the smart money that you're the candidate, you're in trouble.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:10 PM
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72. aahh, thanks for the info
I couldn't tell if you were talking about donations from highly educated individuals or top Democratic donors. Thanks for the clarification.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #72
83. I've summarized what I remember from the article
in my reply to Nashyra post 35 below.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:17 PM
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87. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #87
91. I'm quoting the NY Times.
Stephanopolus talks about smart money going to Clinton in All Too Human.

Amazing that I get criticized for talking about reality.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #91
96. It wasn't a critisizm, it was a compliment
But I withdraw it and bestow it on the Times.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:26 PM
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97. Care to contribute to a list of all the enlightening things I've said?
Edited on Thu Feb-12-04 12:29 PM by AP
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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:53 AM
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32. He was splitting the veterans vote with Kerry
Whole different picture with a 2 man race Clark vs Edwards.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:57 AM
Original message
In NH he was actually stickier with veteran vote than Kerry.
A higher percentage of his (albeit lower total) votes came from veterans.

There was a good article in the NYT about why he didn't do well:

- a candidacy that was perceived as only being about his military service

- internal strife in his campaign between the Draft Clarkers and the professionals (which he had to hire his brother-in-law to mediate)

- the fact that he was an empty vessel which lots of people poured meaning which Clark frequently contradicted

- the fact that he wasn't getting the smart Democratic money (ie, the kind of people at the top of the party who were convinced that Clinton was a winner and who bankrolled him to victory weren't getting behind Clark).

I'm not sure if enough of those problems are solved merely by having Kerry out of the race.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #32
113. Clark may have gotten promises from Kerry and Edwards for
positions in their administration before he dropped.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #10
90. WTF? Supposedly 3 reporters can verify Clark's statement???
then again, there's no link so this could all be bullshit. But if true, why in the hell would Clark get out????

Is AP right? Is it because he didn't think he could win regardless?
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:29 PM
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100. It was probably an educated guess on his part. n/t
Edited on Thu Feb-12-04 12:37 PM by janx
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INTELBYTES Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:44 AM
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11. Sucks for Kerry! But I was ABK anyway.
Go Dean!!
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:46 AM
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15. Like I said yesterday
they will uncover every rock, every mistress, every stock tip, bad real estate deal our front runner has ever had. This will happen regardless of who is the frontrunner.

We had better start digging dirt on Bush and fast. We need to be as dirty as they are.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:47 AM
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16. I suspect that Kerry's electablity has now been enhanced
These sorts of accusations never hurt Clinton.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:48 AM
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19. If it were true yes.
but Teresa would be pretty miffed.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:45 PM
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109. I disagree
After the impeachment I don't think anyone has the heart to defend a democrat with a sleaze problem. I think we have been worn out with defending Clinton. Who wants to go there again? Certainly not me.
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:48 AM
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20. Was this before, during,or after his recent bout with PROSTATE
cancer? If it was, he must be an IRONman. Nothing gets you quite as horny as chemo! ;-)
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:11 PM
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121. LOL
very true. God I can't believe this is happening again, true or not. I guess we'll see what it turns out to be.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:50 AM
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22. Well, will Dean and Clark renounce this garbage?
I'm sure the answer I'll get will be "As soon as Kerry renounces XYZ..." but heck, I'll ask anyway.
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:11 PM
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75. I predict dean will say...
"I was saddened to hear reports of Kerry's infidelity. It leads to questions of whether this is really the candidate we want to run against Bush."
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YNGW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:50 AM
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23. Oh Shit!
nc
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:50 AM
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24. "IF" it's true, I glad it is coming out now.....
and if it is true, I hope Kerry admits it and gets out of the race. There is too much at stake in the GE.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:52 AM
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27. Republicans love the penis
Oh, yeah!
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Professor Hoodoo Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:52 AM
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31. If that is true, then Kerry needs to be tossed aside
NOW.

We don't need another Bill Clinton scandal. Howard Dean is true to his wife, and has had no infidelity to date. The Repukes can pick this apart and render Kerry finished. To date, Dean has been the clean one, folks. And it's time to make the swap.

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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:54 AM
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36. There is no reason to believe this is true
And if this lame-ass trick works again, maybe I'll start threatening to leave the Democratic Party. Hey, all the "cool kids" are doing it...
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:15 PM
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123. sure there is reason to believe this is true
Drudge for all the slime he spews tends to get these stories right.

But feel free to leave the party if defending sleaze is more important than having a clear choice between bush and the democrat nominee in Nov.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:54 AM
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34. It better not be true...Theresa will kick his ass!
Like I said before, I don't think I would want to be on her shit list.
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:57 AM
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42. Teresa said she would kill him
http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:8e8up8pKS0AJ:forum.johnkerry.com/index.php%3Fshowtopic%3D2936+elle+magazine+heinz+kerry+interview&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Heinz Kerry, the multimillionaire, multilingual daugther of a Portuguese doctor raised in Mazambique, doesn't fit the sterotype of a conadiate's dutiful wife. She has spoken frankly about receiving botox injections "once in a while, " as well as about the prenuptial agreement that she made Kerry sing before their 1995 marriage to protect the $550 million fortune she inherited from her late husband, John Heinz III, a Republican senator and heir to the Heinz food fortune, who died in a 1991 plane crash. She has also flashed a steely wit: In an interview in Elle magazine last June, Heinz Kerry recalled how she jokingly warned her former husband never to cheat on her" " I'll maim you." "Not kill you, just mam you." She regrets the comment: "I learned not to tell jokes after that."
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:02 PM
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57. Gotta love that woman!
And I think we all know how she would "maim" him.

The thing about infidelity is that it's bad enough when it happens in a relationship that is out of the public eye, but when everyone knows you and you're in the spotlight, it must be beyond humiliating.

Theresa Heinz is a smart, beautiful, unique woman. Any man would be stupid to mess things up with her.
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:09 PM
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69. She was smart to get a prenup
Turns out she may need it.
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:54 AM
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37. Dean is about to get a second look from voters
I predict a ressurection for Dean.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:57 AM
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43. That would be a disaster
What a mess.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:58 AM
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46. If a Drudge Report story contributes to Dean's "resurrection"
... well, that would be ironic. To say the least.
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Stupdworld Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:59 AM
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48. when its time to party we will party hard party hard!
party at edwards' house
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:04 PM
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60. "I tried," said the angel, "but that stone was just too damn heavy!
Guess we'll just have to leave the body where it is."
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:56 AM
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39. If this is true
Then it is very damning. Not many people want to go through what happened with Clinton and the constant investigations. If the man can't be faithful to his wife, knowing what is at stake, then he isn't very disciplined and therefore does not deserve the nomination.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:02 PM
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55. Well, he's no reason not to be faithful...
...Heinz is still very wealthy. Was the woman he's rumored to have had his dalliance with similarly well endowed?
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Red State Rebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:56 AM
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40. I've said it before...this is only the beginning!
Everything possible will be drug up and thrown in this election - period! They have just started.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:58 AM
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47. MORE - she's left the country
"Intrigue surrounds a woman who recently fled the country, reportedly at the prodding of Kerry, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned."

and..

"A close friend of the woman first approached a reporter late last year claiming fantastic stories -- stories that now threaten to turn the race for the presidency on its head!"

http://www.drudgereport.com/mattjk1.htm

As a Dean supporter who has some problems with Kerry, this is bs, even if true.

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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:00 PM
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52. A woman claiming 'fantastic' stories
Yes. I am sure they will turn out to be fantasy.
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Monument Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:01 PM
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53. My guess...
...is that there will be a bunch of stories about Kerry's behavior, and that they mostly will have occured between the time when he was divorced and was dating Teresa.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:00 PM
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50. Here's what chaps my hide...
...Senators don't win in presidential races against incumbents. If Kerry has lots of baggage, that the press to this point has been willfully ignoring, it seems that SOMEONE has been wanting the Democratic party to nominate a SURE LOSER to run against Bush, just as his approval has been dropping precipitously. We've said for a while that any of the democratic candidates could beat Bush. That said, why rush to nominate the one with the GREATEST chance of failure? Certainly makes one wonder about the rumors of machinations to lose 2004 in preperation for Hillary to run in 2008.
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YNGW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:00 PM
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51. News reports saying it's a 23 yr old Senate staffer
Not confirmed. Will provide links when avaliable.
Apology in advance if reports are wrong.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:04 PM
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61. What news reports--that is, where did you hear this?
I'm curious.

Sludge mentioned Washington Post, Time, and Associated Press.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:01 PM
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54. Wow, Drudge is Howard Dean's saviour
Whoda thunk?


Dean nominated.........by a penis.
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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:04 PM
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59. How do I put someone on
ignore
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:07 PM
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64. See the little guy snoozing--the icon on your posts?
Click it.
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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:09 PM
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71. Thank you
I think now I will appreciate DU more
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:13 PM
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79. It's a handy tool to have, definitely. It's survival!
;-)
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:36 PM
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104. Can't live here without it nt
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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:06 PM
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62. Makes no sense
If Clark new of this, then why would he of gotten out of the race. It would have been down to him and Edwards with Clark getting most of Kerry's votes. It just doesnt add up. I think I won't hold my breath on this one.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:07 PM
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65. how would Kerry have the time and energy to have an affair?
The campaign trail is HARD. These guys barely get a second to themeselves much less time enough to get it on with an intern. Hell, they barely get enough time for sleep! And isn't Theresa campaigning with him?

This man is the frontrunner. The press is around him all the time. Supposedly this affair has been "recent". Doesn't make any sense to me. And with an intern? Could the Republicans get any less creative?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:08 PM
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68. Could be a couple years ago.
Who knows
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:15 PM
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84. oops. you're right. The allegation is "recent"
I read it wrong, I thought it said the affair was recent, but it's the allegation.

But then again, if Drudge is the only source then I'm not buying it.
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annxburns Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:07 PM
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66. Is Clark still on the ballot in Wisconsin?
What if he wins? Does he get back in?
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Mick Knox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:10 PM
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73. I cant get drudgereport to open...
Anyone got a dif link or its only drudge?.. this is not what I wanted to see when I logged on.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:19 PM
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92. Source: "A woman claiming fantastic stories"
I'll bet they are.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:11 PM
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74. Dean campaign saved by Kerry's penis?
Not something I'd be proud of.
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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:16 PM
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85. Nothing will save Deans campaign
He is finished.
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Kusala Donating Member (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:12 PM
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76. Faux "Good Day Live" just reported it a few minutes ago
Any surprise they run with a Drudge piece?

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TheStateChief Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:13 PM
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77. I Guess We'll See How Deep His Support Is...
If all the stories about how Kerry's support is supposedly a mile wide and an inch deep are true then this could kill Kerry IF IF IF this is a true story (which I doubt until I see a real news organization mention it).
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:13 PM
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78. Well, I will reserve judgment until something solid comes out
There have been rumors about Kerry being unfaithful to Teresa, but there has been nothing other than that, rumors.

In the Clinton case it was different because we actually say Jennifer Flowers sell her story to a tabloid.

In the case of Poppy Bush there was plenty of evidence that he had a long term affair with Genifer Fitzgerald, but the media did not pursue the story as they did Clinton. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Being sexually active while single is okay as long as one practices safe sex. Most AIDS sufferers are straight anyway!

So, unless we have a bimbo explosion or concrete evidence that Kerry cheated while married to his current wife, this is nothing more than tabloid trash on the level of "I had Reagan's baby after being abducted by a UFO!"
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:16 PM
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86. ABC News, the Washington Post
were just a couple of the sources that I heard (on the radio) were investigating this charge.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 07:04 PM
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135. Hmmmm...
So when are these media outfits going to break this story?
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:38 PM
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107. I don't think of Drudge as a reliable source however........
can you imagine if this did turn out to be true? Clinton got away with this because he is Clinton (charming and likeable...kerry is neither). I can't imagine democrats letting themselves in for this again.
Maybe that is why Clinton said "Edwards could surge".
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:13 PM
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80. Ah, so there ARE going to be Bimbo Eruptions
Edited on Thu Feb-12-04 12:14 PM by Jacobin
The same question I asked about Kerry here four weeks ago.

:puke:
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:14 PM
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81. Vote for Dean before it is too late-he has been vetted by the press. I'm.
afraid Kerry is going to have so many skeletons in his closet that he will be a 50 state loser.
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:38 PM
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106. electability?
I wonder how this will affect Kerry's perception of electability.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:29 PM
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99. Kerry could always say...
...that gay marriage was destroying the sanctity of his marriage...
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:35 PM
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103. Yes he could!
LOL!
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:46 PM
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110. yup, damn all those gay people for trying to get in on such a sacred .....
heterosexual tradition.
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GumboYaYa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:51 PM
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115. Too funny.....
irony can be so rich sometimes.
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Anwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:47 PM
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111. This doesn't look good for Kerry.
Then again, this IS Drudge we're talking about here. We should reserve judgment on this topic until more credible sources can be obtained.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:47 PM
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112. Source : Drudge report
You know, if I caught MY kid looking at that crap, they'd be banned from the computer for a WEEK.

Stop dragging that filth in here just because it serves whatever end you strive for
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dawn Donating Member (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:00 PM
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118. I'm so tired of this kind of crap.
I'm not a Kerry supporter, but this is so silly It's his personal life. I don't care what he does.

It's times like this (and after Boobiegate) that I wish I was born in France, where people don't give a crap about nudity and politicians' private lives. It's so...boring.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:01 PM
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119. Well, this certainly has everybody at DU all a twitter
I remember seeing this movie called "The Matrix"

It looks like "THE MATRIX HAS YOU"
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:09 PM
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120. this is no one's business but the Kerry family's
The Repugs are truly pathetic.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:17 PM
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126. If it is true it is also the democratic voters business
we have a right not to be dragged through the mud again like we were with Clinton.
But I am not sure Drudge is a good source.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:42 PM
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128. So is everyone who are discussing this rumor. (Pathetic ...yes)
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:16 PM
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125. I just hope
that the mystery woman is better looking than Monica. Ugh!
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:36 PM
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127. The Drudge story is laughable and has about as many legs as a
squashed pomegranate.
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fertilizeonarbusto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:52 PM
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129. In another post
it was mentioned that Kerry having an affair might be difficult due to aftereffects of prostate cancer. This is a very good point. What if Drudge just did himself in? The timing of the release of this story is also highly suspect and it reeks of desperation. More inconvenient little facts just surfaced today about AWOL. TYhe desperation is obvious in that the wisest time for the repukes to let any affair allegations fly is AFTER Kerry is definitely the nominee, not now when Edwards or Dean are still in the race and rarin' to go. I betcha all this all comes to squat-and that Drudge didn't do his homework before running this and he'll regret it.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:58 PM
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130.  Excellent point. This story has a 36 hour shelf life. (eom)
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Saturninus Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 02:19 PM
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131. Percentage points in crucial states among swing voters
The hard truth is, though, that, assuming Kerry does have the
nom. sewn up (and he surely does), this could shave a few
crucial percentage points off his tally in some close states
in the general election, among independents. Ai yi yi! Was
this REALLY necessary? He could have at least waited until
shrub was beaten to have a little unofficial fun.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 02:21 PM
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132. Brought to you by the same party who impeached Clinton because his
Edited on Thu Feb-12-04 02:22 PM by stickdog
cigar was not always just a cigar.

Why do we have to know this stuff?
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