Skull and Bones is Nothing

[WillyBrandt]

Of all the preposterous crap I read on DU, the mindless harping on Skull and Bones is the most amazing.

What is Skull and Bones? Some rich kid club at Yale where bozos drank beer and acted like goofballs. It is not the Illuminati or the Stonecutters. They don't rule the world.

I went to Harvard. We had similar clubs with their own self-conscious sense of exclusion, and they tended to just let in rich kids, though athletes were sometimes admitted. What did they do in there? Talk shit, hang out, drink beer, maybe even encourage a nonsense myth about themselves.

That's it. There is no there there, no matter how diligent DU's data miners are.

Jeez.

ON EDIT: I'm glad I've been drinking. The crap people believe

[RichV]

1. Maybe so

But the tinfoil hat brigade is never going to let this one rest.

322...

[WillyBrandt]

3. What's 322 supposed to be?

[Mick Knox]

7. Ive been wondering myself...

I found this.. if someone has a better link re what skull and bones is.. it would be appreciated.

http://www.worldnewsstand.net/today/articles/skullandbones.htm

Ive been under the impression its just some college frat .. it seems thats the case .. with a few booo hoooo scary logos and secret handshakes... maybe we'll get to see it on inauguration day in Jan.

[liberalmike27]

9. Clearly

You've not bothered to look into, or check out anything about the Skull and Bones, and I suspect most people will be just as dismissive of this secretive cabal. You should read Kevin Phillips book, American Dynasty, Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Decieit in the HOuse of Bush, which by the way isn't a book on the Skull and Bones, but does include some talk of the bonesmen, how they've revolved around the Bush's, and how close to the seats of power this group is. They are so involved in the CIA, at times it seems like an old boys club from Yale.

Don't minimize something you know nothing about.

[WillyBrandt]

14. Yes, the only reason I disagree with you is because

I am an ignorant person. There is no way that I have looked at the same stuff and concluded that S&B was a diversion away from real issues.

[liberalmike27]

25. Kind of Like Bush

Dude, I've seen nothing but an opinion, and that doesn't prove anything.

You know, I'm surprised that people can be so dismissive of some pretty confounding evidence, and not be worried at least a bit about all the association. If a guy is beholding to 800 of the richest dynastic families, and lives by (as I've proven here, with a few excerpts) to a Secret Society, that he won't speak of (Russert asked) in public, then do you really think he will give much of a crap about the real working people. Even if he does manage to get elected, don't you think those additional, most powerful strings that have been connected to Kerry since Yale in 1966 will be yanking him here and there.

It doesn't take too much observation of human nature, and of Kerry's behavior to see he's still deeply rooted in their tradition. ABK

[interceptor]

15. But...

Why maximize something you know nothing about either, then?

I vote for "its just a drinking club." I mean, come on, you can't criticize the government for a lack of sophistication on one hand and then say they're really more organized than anyone realizes on the other.

The government sucks at keeping secrets. This should be apparent by now, even if you haven't worked for them.

[liberalmike27]

17. That's just the thing.

I do know something about it.

[Minstrel Boy]

18. "its just a drinking club."

Well, no. I don't mean to be picayune about it, but alcohol is forbidden in the S&B tomb. However, the skull of Geronimo is most welcome.

[NWHarkness]

2. Well, you know what I heard?

George Bush and John Kerry have both been seen eating at Pizza Hut.

So, that proves it, Kerry is a GOP plant.

[Virgil]

4. What about Council on Foreign Relations?

Kerry and Beers membership in the Council on Foreign Relations seems to be an important area of inquiry. What surprises me is it does not get mentioned, but Skull and Bones does.

[progressivebydesign]

13. Beers.. OSS.. Skull & Bones, CIA etc..

There are frightening connections that span decades with all of that.. and the shadowy shadow government. I guess there are some things I'm sorry I've ever read about. Too scary to comprehend.

[andym]

5. Agreed

It's more significant that Kerry is Yale educated :)

[WillyBrandt]

6. Why do you think I supported Clark? :)

[shance]

27. So was George W. - how is that significant?

n/t

[jonnyblitz]

32. good point.

its irrelevent as hell.

[progressivebydesign]

8. Have I dropped into a bizzaro world?

Am I the only poster here that remembers the year 2000 on DU??? Skull and Bones, and Bush's involvement in it was considered yet another good reason to keep Bush out of office. I read Fortunate Son... I'm not ignorant of Skull & Bones. Richard Scaife Mellon is Skull & Bones.. 'nuff said about associations.

It does freak me out to see Democrats talk as though S&B is some sort of Boy Scout operation. It's not. The roots run deep, and they are scary. Just because Kerry is the nominee, and is Skull and Bones does not make it okey-dokey all of a sudden. Wish I could find some of the most salient posts about Bush and his S&B experience.

Do some real research on the group. Read Fortunate Son. It'll open your eyes. I'm not saying it should necessarily preclude Kerry from the Presidency, but it does send up warning flags to me. And.. makes me realize why, perhaps, the Kerry's path has been smoothed by unlikely sources. LIke the 6.9 Million dollary equity loan made by the Mellon Trust?

[WillyBrandt]

11. Argh...

Um, rich kids at Ivy League schools tend to do well and gain influence. S&B is nothing, just some dumb frat

[liberalmike27]

16. Another Good Book

Alexa Robbins's Secrets of the Tomb is another good resource. At the very least they are a power-sharing, nepotism promoting group. Anyone find it coincidental that Kerry married Teresa Heinz Kerry, and she just happened to inherit the fortune of another bonesman, her former husband, Heinz of the pickle and ketchup fortune? They actually promote intermarrying, and apparently, Kerry takes it seriously.

The men called their organization the Brotherhood of Death, or, more informally, the Order of Skull and Bones. They adoped the numerological symobl of 322 because their group was the second chapter of a German organization and founded in 1832. They worshiped the Goddess Eulogia, celebratede pirates, and plotted an underground conspiracy to dominate the world.

This, from said book, pp 3-4.

Also, a clip from the book, while Howard Dean was still driving around in a van campaigning in New Hampshire, written in early 2002, perhaps 2001.

The list of prominent members of Skull and Bones is staggering, particularly given that, with only fifteen new members initiated each year, there are only approximately eight hundred living members at any one time. It would seem to be no small coincidence that a tiny college club has somehow managed to spawn three presidents of the United States. (Indeed, every president who attended Yale as an undergraduate was a member of Skull and Bones.) And recent events would suggest that as the society nears its two hundredth anniversary, this number could easily grow": as of this writing, the 2004 campaign could possibly become the first Bones versus Bones presidential race: incumbent George W. Bush, Skull and Bones 1968, against Senator John Kerry, Skull and Bones 1966.

Secrets of the Tomb, By Alexa Robbins p 163

Published 2002

[RafterMan]

20. Yawn

The whole Ivy League is a power-sharing, nepotism-promoting group.

And celebrating pirates while plotting to rule the world sounds like every other boys club that ever was.

If you want to find things to dislike about Kerry, people would certainly do better to search through his record from Congress.

[seventhson]

10. You are completely wrong

http://www.14wfie.com/Global/story.asp?S=1627312

try tarpley.net's bio of Bush for lots more

[WillyBrandt]

12. No Comment

[liberalmike27]

19. More

Bush, Bush Sr. Prescott Bush, and Jonathan Bush, the elder Bush's brother, all bonesmen. The only other family as deeply rooted in the bones organization is the Taft family. Bush and Taft are the only two bones presidents, so far. John Kerry is a bonesman, interestingly enough, and this may be the first election that has a bone vs. bones match-up. Is it an innocent connection, or a purposeful organization bent on a world fascist state, intent on doing anything to attain a World government Fascist state.
I was reading about Stimson, Harrison, Lovett, Harriman, and Bundy who essentially oversaw the production of the A. Bomb in the early 1940s, all bonesmen. The CIA is filled with loyal bonesmen, willing to do the bidding of the presidential bones member, George Bush. George Bush (H) was of course the head of the CIA, and it was said he made a secret arms deal in October before the 1980 election, to delay the release of the hostages, in exchange for weapons for Iran. Later they armed Iraq, and tacitly sat by while Saddam gassed his people in 1985, essentially creating the power in the middle-east that we now grapple with. The Bush's were all around this war, on both ends, just like in Nazi Germany, and still continue to be there. Other CIA members from Yalee's S & B secret society: Harriaman, William Bundy, William Sloane Coffin, Jr., F. Trubee Davidson (Bones 1918), Richard Drain (Bones 1943), Evan Galbraith (affiliated through the Navy), Frederick W. Hilles (Bones 1922), George Holmes (Bones 1945), Samuel Walker, Jr., (Bones 1948), and Charles S. Whitehouse (Bones 1944), all CIA operatives.
The CIA was so stacked with Bonesmen Yale alumni, other members of the agency would often feel uncomfortable and out of the loop around them.

Paraphrased from Secrets of the Tomb, Skull and bones, The Ivy League, and the Hidden Paths of Power, by Alexandra Robbins

As hard as it is to believe, the more deeply you look into these things, at the very least there is a Brotherhood of some kind, of the wealthy elite of the world, particularly strong in the political, financial, and military sector that seem to be running things from behind the scene. They are puppet-masters, and are I believe intent on World domination. It is the only conclusion one can come to but people will run like children scared of the dark. The really scary thing is the idea that Bush is not even high up in the organization, and there are other levels pulling American politicos strings. Give that a thought.

Truth is, the association is enough for me to want someone else, not obliged to the around 800 bonesmen who are alive at any time. Intermarrying? Creepy. I guess that's just a coincidence to you. Who knows who you are, for that matter. Work for the Kerry campaign?

I'd just as soon have someone not connected, and displaying symptoms of the group, like Dean, Edwards, or even Kucinich for that matter.

[RichV]

24. You lost me at "creating a world fascist state"

I mean, come on... I don't think even Bush has that in mind. And I'm certain Kerry doesn't. Unless that's why he wants to start getting the UN involved in the world...

All hail our new UN overlords.

[liberalmike27]

28. Been

Paying attention to Bush lately? Often curren versions of American fascism are rightly called corporatism, which is certainly being fully practiced.

Question: Do you think, when these guys in Bildiberg (sp?), CFR, Trilateral Commission, the Bones, and any I might have mentioned get together, that they discuss how they can make the plight of the working men and women of America better? You know, it isn't a logical leap to think that their purpose is to consolodate power. Why do you think they promote intermarrying with other bonesmen's families. Kerry has done that, to consolodate the Heinz fortune back into the group. Eight-hundred people alive are in the bones, and he marries a woman out of 150 million women, who was married to this fortune. Sorry, I can't imagine that the agenda, even if it was just an old-boys drinking club (and I'm sure they did some drinking, I'll give you that) is going to do anything but promote the wealthy interests. Clearly that is, and has been both of the Bush's agenda's.

We need someone outside of this cabal. Politico's have enough strings. I guess what I'm saying is, even if it just has the minimum purpose of helping each other out, do we really need another 800 strings pulling Kerry, or Bush around?

Kerry is soiled by this, and I'm sorry you can't see that. Amazing that Alexandria predicted this, nearly two years ago.

[parasim]

29. Well...

I tend to agree with John Quincy Adams' belief that those who take oaths to politically international secret societies cannot be depended on for loyalty to a democratic republic.

Frankly, I don't quite understand why more people aren't bothered by Bush's response to Russert's question on Sunday about his ties to the S&B secret society when he said "So secret we can't talk about it." with his infamous smirk.

One man's secret cult is another man's silly college frat club, I guess.

[The Magistrate]

21. You Are Quite Correct, Mr. Brandt

Though as an old lag, let me assure you the old "Military" Forum could have put the recent Skull and Bones outcrops deep in the shade for sheer obsessive logorrhea.

"By compare to chaotic indifference, unsleeping malice wears a friendly face."

[Mick Knox]

22. A Skull and Bones Site

http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/3/order/GBSBNW.html

[yowzayowzayowza]

23. Iran-contra investigation...

trumps frathouse bunk by orders of magnitude.

[sleipnir]

26. Nothing but the truth, families are powerful indeed

Sometimes the words are more important than the lines of others statesmenship. I hate to think it true, but indeed it is and probably will be forever, until it's gone. But to where?

[izzie]

30. I think so also. Crazy rich kids and also this.....

You grow up together so you stick together and besides would you really want anyone to know you repeated your so called sex life while in a casket nude? If I had done that I am sure I would have made up something and had you all swear in blood not to tell anyone I had been so stupid to have done it and then told someone. Most of us stop that stuff at 10 years old.

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[redqueen]

33. Yeah, and the BFEE is all in your imagination too.

:eyes:

[WillyBrandt]

35. Um...wha?

People see some terrible movie and read some crackpots, and bam--it gels. The New Masons.

I just think you all are looking in the wrong place, and are embarassing yourselves.

[redqueen]

36. That's well and good.

Just don't get all irate and uppity the next time a bushie tells you you've seen some terrible movie or read some silly book, and that's the only reason why you think bush is a criminal.

And respect them, for I'm sure you expected respect for your opinion.

:crazy:

[SOS]

34. The foreign policy of this country

has been hijacked by neocons. Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Perle etc.

Fiscal policy is under the influence of the "starve the beast" crowd, notably Norquist.

Social policy is under the sway of right-wing fundies ie Ashcroft.

None were S&B. Let's keep our eyes on the power people who are selling this country down the river, rather than on William Howard Taft.

[redqueen]

37. The foreign policy of this country

Is advocated by the PPI, which Kerry supports.

Make the 'other side' the enemy, and ignore the imperialists in 'our side'? No thanks. I prefer to keep my eyes wide open and observe the situation as it actually exists, not to blind myself to unpleasant truths to avoid any nasty cognitive dissonance.