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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 09:54 PM
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Is it OK for Mike Gravel to be shut out of the NH Debates by CNN and Crew?
I've just gotten back. Did this ever get posted here?
Does anyone care at all about this?


CNN AND LOCAL NEW HAMPSHIRE MEDIA IMPOSE CENSORSHIP AND TRASH FAIRNESS IN THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES
Washington, D.C., March 17, 2007

CNN, the Manchester Union Leader and the Hearst-owned WMUR-TV have formally decided to exclude Democratic Presidential Candidate Senator Mike Gravel from the debates they will be sponsoring in New Hampshire.

This decision calls into question media censorship and goes against a fundamental American belief in “Fairness,” which is especially critical in the political process.

The Senator said, “By denying me the same opportunity afforded to other presidential candidates into discuss in public debate the major issues that confront our nation, the sponsoring media outlets–– CNN, The Manchester Union Leader and the Hearst- owned WMUR-TV––are exercising censorship, unbecoming in a free society. They are dictating whose political voice they will permit New Hampshire and American citizens to hear.”

“These media outlets are depriving the people the right to hear a voice they may very well want to hear, and in my case, a voice with some new and different ideas not expressed by other candidates–– ‘politics as usual.’ This amounts to denying the people the right to an informed choice from among all the declared and legitimate candidates, not just those deemed worthy by a few media organizations.” The Senator continued, “It is not CNN’s, the Manchester Union Leader’s or Hearst’s WMUR-TV’s place to decide whose voice should and should not be heard in a debate between legitimate and qualified presidential candidates for the nomination of their political parties. When my staff inquired as to why I was being barred from participating in the debate, they received the Orwellian response that my candidacy did not meet certain criteria––a criteria that the media organizations refused to divulge when asked.
more....
http://www.democracyfornewhampshire.com/node/view/3636


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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 09:57 PM
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1. Gravel's just as relevant as Kucinich.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 09:59 PM
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2. Who decides that? Who has voted yet?
Please do tell.

The thing about Democracy last I heard is that the vote count is what determines who's relevant; not media conglamorates. But I could be wrong.
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:00 PM
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3. The corporate media whores are now deciding who the 'viable' candidates are?
Yes, I do believe this is a problem.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:03 PM
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4. So do I. Guess they only want the "serious" candidates that they "made"
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 10:04 PM by FrenchieCat
to be the only ones to "talk". Guess everyone else can STFU, far as they are concerned!

I'm waiting to hear which candidate will speak on media consolidation and the fact that these monopolies need to be stopped. Thus far, the "Frontrunners" ain't breathed a word about this.

It's easy to be "mad" at Fox....but CNN ain't no better, no matter what folks want to think, IMO.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:06 PM
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5. No. The other candidates ought to refuse to participate unless
Gravel is allowed to join in.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:09 PM
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6. Considering the outrage here at DU in reference to this interference
by Corporate media in barring a bonafide Democratic candidates' right to debate on the stage with quite a few others, I'm not sure candidates will "sacrifice" themselves for such a cause. Would be nice though.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:24 PM
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10. Frankly, I need more information.
There are A BUNCH of Democratic candidates running.

Will Warren Ashe and Randy Crowe be there as well? How about Laura Davis-Aaron and Michael Forrester? Dan Francis? Alfonzo Jones? John Kennedy? Karl Krueger? Sal Mohamed? Ole Savior???

All of the above are "announced candidates."

I'm serious: http://www.politics1.com/p2008-dems.htm

Per that same site, Gravel's campaign is characterized as follows: Long-since forgotten by most activists in the 26+ years since his defeat, Gravel has since moved to Virginia. Although running as a peace candidate, Gravel's campaign seems mainly to be a publicity device for his beloved "citizen power" national initiative concept to let voters regularly approve/reject federal legislation on key issues.

I am not yet convinced that I should be "outraged" frankly.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:13 PM
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7. him specifically? I don't know. But in general, they need to have standards as to whom they include
The criteria should be reasonable and public, but they do need to exist. If they let any yahoo who wants to be there participate, then voters won't learn anything and the whole thing would be useless.

In this case, without knowing all the details, I think I'll side with the media. I'm skeptical that they really "refused to divulge" the criteria because I think that it is polling numbers and I'm okay with that.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:16 PM
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8. If he was good enough for the DNC Winter meeting, why wouldn't be be good enough for CNN?
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 10:17 PM by FrenchieCat
Just asking?

I understand that not everyone and their cousin should be allowed, but last I looked Gravel is a bonafide candidate according to the DNC.

Utilizing polling as a "measure" one year prior to any vote cast.....understanding by most that polling is influenced in large part based by what the corporate media determines they will report and highlight is a bad excuse.

First they shut up Sen. Gravel.....and then they shut off your Internet.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:29 PM
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12. Where do we draw the line? Do we have twenty people up on the stage?
At that rate, everyone would get three questions.

See the link at post ten. There are a bunch of people running.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:17 PM
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9. I did post it earlier
A mere handful of DUers cared :shrug:

Amazing.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:29 PM
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13. Here's Gravel on YouTube
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thethinker Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:29 PM
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11. It is not OK
I can not understand why the other candidates are not speaking out. They were speaking out against Faux, but not against this?

Who is CNN to set a "criteria" for democratic candidates.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:38 PM
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14. I'm thinking, the more I look into this guy's candidacy, that it IS OK.
If you have twenty plus candidates on the stage, it's a waste of time--we won't hear from the major candidates enough to make it worth while tuning in at all, and where do you draw the line? We KNOW Gravel is not running to win, he's running to make a point or three. Fine, let him have a platform with the other candidates who are there to make a point.

Perhaps they should do two debates, one with the candidates polling in perceptible numbers, and then another with all of the "Who the fuck is that?" candidates, of which there are at LEAST ten.

There is a link at post ten that's pretty interesting. I didn't realize there were so many announced candidates on both sides of the fence.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:39 PM
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15. Just like Larry Agran in 1992. Same shit, different day.
Larry Agran's poll numbers either met or exceeded those of other Democratic candidates, including Tom Harkin and Bob Kerrey. Yet he was refused entrance into any of the debates (and was even arrested for the heinous crime of showing up to one) and any poll which showed him doing well was scrubbed to erase his name before print.

I don't think we need 20 Democrats on stage, but it would sure be nice if the field of "accepted" candidates wasn't limited to current high-profile office holders.
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Rusty MacHenry Donating Member (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:03 PM
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17. I disagree with CNN's decsion
The fact of the matter is that Gravel is an ex-senator for god's sake and should get treated with alittle more respect in this campaign, he should be allowed to be up there in the debate with Clinton,Obama, Edwards Etc.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:01 PM
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16. It's not ok, but I wish someone in the party would
come up with a workable system that would handle the number of Democratic candidates debating at once. Maybe a rotating panel of debates given over a couple of days? Maybe not.

Whatever, I'd rather have the DNC do it, not the media.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:37 PM
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18. Yep.....The media already decides who will be talked about
which is how candidates' profiles are raised and that's what helps their fundraising efforts which is what makes them gain even more notice from the media. I think that is enough power for the media to have.....I don't think they need to be part of the debate beyond manning the cameras, IMO.

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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 12:05 PM
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19. This is Gravel's campaign platform
Nobody will hear in the New Hampshire debates

WAR IN IRAQ

The Senator was one of the first current or former elected officials to publicly oppose the planned invasion of Iraq in 2002. He appeared on MSNBC prior to the invasion insisting that intelligence showed that there were indeed NO weapons of mass destruction, that Iraq posed no threat to the United States and that invading Iraq was against America’s national interests. Since declaring his candidacy for President, Senator Gravel has called for an immediate and orderly withdrawal of all U.S. troops from Iraq combined with aggressive and skilled diplomacy to end the sectarian violence currently consuming Iraq.

THE NATIONAL BALLOT INITIATIVE FOR DEMOCRACY

With The National Initiative for Democracy, Senator Mike Gravel is bringing the people into the operation of government as lawmakers. The slogan of the campaign is, “Let the People Decide.” The National Initiative is a proposal to amend the constitution and enact a federal statute so the People can be lawmakers in a partnership with their elected officials.

Read more about The National Initiative

FAIR TAX

There is only one one entity in the U.S. that pays taxes; the individual. Business and corporations do not, they merely collect taxes from consumer of their products and pass on the taxes to the government. The Fair Tax proposal calls for eliminating the IRS and the Income Tax and replacing it with a progressive national Sales Tax on new products and services. To compensate for necessities, such as food, lodging, clothing, etc there would be a “prebate” to reimburse taxpayers for the taxes paid on necessities.

Read more about The Fair Tax

THE ‘SURGE’

Senator Gravel firmly opposes President Bush's decision to send 20,000 more troops to Iraq. The majority of Americans do not support the move. Key members of the Bush administration, such as national-security adviser Stephen Hadley, are in disagreement. It goes against the recommendation of the Iraq Study Group. Every military commander interviewed by the ISG, including General George Casey, answered that they do not require additional troops, but rather, stressed the need for the Iraqi army to assume a larger role in security operations. The escalation is both dangerously reckless and irresponsible. It sends the wrong message to the Iraqi's; that the U.S military presence in open-ended and that there exists no certain time line for the Iraqi military to take responsibility for the security of their country. So far the democratic response to George Bush's escalation has been disheartening and disappointing. The democratic majority must decide on a unified policy to get out of Iraq. Non-binding resolutions will not get the job done. Senator Gravel has called upon the democratic majority in congress to respond to the will of the American people and demand and end to the Iraq war.

IRAN

Senator Gravel firmly opposes a military confrontation with Iran. Several signs indicate that the Bush administration is moving towards a military confrontation with Iran and Syria; the deployment of a "major strike group" of ships to the Persian Gulf, the detaining of six Iranian officials of a consular office flying the Iranian flag, pointed accusations that both nations are fueling the insurgency in Iraq and the President’s remarks that the U.S. would disrupt the flow of support from Iran and Syria to those insurgents. The threat of war against another sovereign nation while wars continue to rage in Iraq, the Palestinian Authority and Afghanistan, only serves to further threaten global stability.

CLIMATE CHANGE

Global climate change must be made an issue of national security. We must act swiftly to reduce America's carbon footprint in the world by passing legislation that caps emissions. However, any legislation will have little impact on the global environment if we do not work together with other global polluters. Fighting global warming can only be effective if it is a collective global effort. As President, Senator Gravel will see that the U.S. launches and leads a massive global scientific effort to end energy dependence on oil and integrate the world's scientific community to this task. A national public works program to rewire the country towards new energy technologies would create tens of thousands of new American jobs.

SOCIAL SECURITY

Senator Mike Gravel wants to put real money in the Social Security Trust Fund, investing it properly and identifying the interests of individual beneficiaries so they can leave their surplus funds to their heirs. He also calls on Congress to stop raiding the Social Security Trust Fund. This is key to ensuring that Social Security will be around long after the Baby Boomers are gone for the next generation of Americans who have paid into it.

NATIONAL HEALTHCARE

Medicine and medical technology in the United States is the finest in the world. However, it is also one of the leading causes of bankruptcies. With the rising cost of healthcare, it is time to rethink our approach. The solution to the healthcare crisis is a national, universal single-payer not-for-profit U.S. healthcare system.

VETERANS AFFAIRS

Senator Mike Gravel enlisted in the U.S. Army in 1951 and served for three years as an adjutant in the Communications Services and as a Special Agent in the Counter Intelligence Corps. Our war veterans are not, as some would have it, a “special interest” but are our primary interest. As President, Sen. Gravel would ensure that veterans receive full and unambiguous funding for their most important needs, including health care that is indexed to the increasing cost of care and medicine. He would also make permanent the 100 percent disability ratings of those diagnosed as suffering from Post-traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). He would also make sure that the VA system is fully financed and has sufficient well-trained personnel to provide the finest care that is available. As the senator says, “We can do no less and will do much more.”

EDUCATION

No Child Left Behind has left far too many children behind. We have a dire situation in America; 30% of our kids do not graduate from high school. Nearly a third of our children are condemned to a substandard economic existence. Education in America must be properly funded. However, money will not solve all the problems. Washington D.C. ranks first in dollars spent, yet ranks last in achievement. We need to approach education comprehensively. We must properly fund education while raising the overall standard of living in America and making education a vital part of a healthy, thriving community.


http://www.gravel2008.us/issues
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