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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 07:46 AM
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The inane ‘Clinton did it too’ defense
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/10193.html

Today, a number of far-right blogs have picked up on the same talking point, and even the traditional media is picking up on it, with NBC’s Kevin Corke repeating the meme this morning.

I had hoped this nonsense, debunked last week, would have disappeared by now, but it seems to be the only talking point White House allies can come up with.

The argument is premised on a mistaken understanding of how the process works. When a president takes office, he or she nominates federal prosecutors at the beginning of the first term. Under normal circumstances, these U.S. Attorneys serve until the next president is sworn in.

In 1993, Clinton replaced H.W. Bush’s prosecutors. In 2001, Bush replaced Clinton’s prosecutors. None of this is remotely unusual. Indeed, it’s how the process is designed.

The difference with the current scandal is overwhelming. Bush replaced eight specific prosecutors, apparently for purely political reasons. This is entirely unprecedented. For conservatives to argue, as many are now, that Clinton’s routine replacements for H.W. Bush’s USAs is any way similar is the height of intellectual dishonesty. They know better, but hope their audience is too uninformed to know the difference.

Clinton’s former chief of staff John Podesta told ThinkProgress last week that the entire argument is “pure fiction.”

Mr. Rove’s claims today that the Bush administration’s purge of qualified and capable U.S. attorneys is “normal and ordinary” is pure fiction. Replacing most U.S. attorneys when a new administration comes in — as we did in 1993 and the Bush administration did in 2001 — is not unusual. But the Clinton administration never fired federal prosecutors as pure political retribution. These U.S. attorneys received positive performance reviews from the Justice Department and were then given no reason for their firings.

We’re used to this White House distorting the facts to blame the Clinton administration for its failures. Apparently, it’s also willing to distort the facts and invoke the Clinton administration to try to justify its bad behavior.

Josh Marshall added this morning:

First, we now know — or at least the White House is trying to tell us — that they considered firing all the US Attorneys at the beginning of Bush’s second term. That would have been unprecedented but not an abuse of power in itself. The issue here is why these US Attorneys were fired and the fact that the White House intended to replace them with US Attorneys not confirmed by the senate. We now have abundant evidence that they were fired for not sufficiently politicizing their offices, for not indicting enough Democrats on bogus charges or for too aggressively going after Republicans. (Remember, Carol Lam is still the big story here.) We also now know that the top leadership of the Justice Department lied both to the public and to Congress about why the firing took place. As an added bonus we know the whole plan was hatched at the White House with the direct involvement of the president.

And Clinton? Every new president appoints new US Attorneys. That always happens. Always…. The whole thing is silly. But a lot of reporters on the news are already falling for it. The issue here is why these US Attorneys were fired — a) because they weren’t pursuing a GOP agenda of indicting Democrats, that’s a miscarriage of justice, and b) because they lied to Congress about why it happened.

Note to Bush allies: if the “Clinton did it” defense is the best you can do, this scandal must be truly horrifying.

Update: In case there was still any lingering doubt among conservatives on this point, in White House documents released today, there’s an email to Harriet Miers from Attorney General Alberto Gonzales’s chief of staff Kyle Sampson (who resigned yesterday), in which Sampsons admits that the Clinton administration never purged its U.S. attorneys in the middle of their terms, explicitly stating, “In recent memory, during the Reagan and Clinton Administrations, Presidents Reagan and Clinton did not seek to remove and replace U.S. Attorneys to serve indefinitely under the holdover provision.”

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 07:48 AM
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1. LAZY press (intentional if coming from RW)_---more dumbing down of US
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 07:52 AM
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2. If bush is doing what Clinton did
then why aren't conservatives carrying their pitchforks to the gates of the white house? Could it be that they are ignorant trash too proud to admit they are wrong and just smart enough to find limbaugh on the AM dial?

Or could it be, based on current conservative rationale, Clinton was just a fine outstanding good ole boy they'd like to have a beer with.

Please lurkers get pissed and jump right in and share your fucking ignorance. This veteran would love to read the trash which comes from morons who still support a drug addicted, corporate criminal, military deserter. You have got to be so proud.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 07:58 AM
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3. The absurdity of their using Clinton as justfication
The minute they knew they had the Florida vote fixed they set out to undo ignore or reject everything that Clinton had done focused on or supported. A complete 180

The 10 year ergonomics study
The Forrestry usage input and policy
and of course the events that lead directly to 9/11
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 08:08 AM
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5. It still works
my favorite line that makes conservatives so mad they go blind.

If Clinton had been President on 9-11 there would not have been a terrorist attack, because Clinton did not need a terrorist attack.

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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 08:07 AM
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4. i suspect they were considering firing all 93
Edited on Wed Mar-14-07 08:09 AM by dweller
which is stated above not an abuse of power, to get the 8 fired in the process.
It would have covered them. They found the provision in the Pat. act to 'replace w/out congressional approval' and took that route instead. They knew they would catch hell for singling out the 8, but one way or another, the 8 had to go.

dp
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 08:15 AM
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6. Chris Wallace just spewed that on Imus.
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 08:15 AM
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7. Unfortunately, it appears to be working
We need someone of real stature to stand up and shout the truth right now or Chimp gets away with this one too.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 02:57 PM
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8. Saw it here several times yesterday.
Not so much today.
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