But, Bush has had such success in dismantling Social Programs/What DEM

[KoKo]

Could Win and reconstruct it all with a Repug Senate and House?

Wouldn't it be better to re-elect Bush...let him implode..take PNAC and Supply Side Economics Down...and we would be rid of the infection we've had since Nixon?

Wouldn't letting them implode: Gingrich/Reagan/PNAC/WHATEVER side of the party go down and serve jail times be better than just having an "Interim?" I'm not down on having the "Interim/Kerry" but, I wonder if this is the best thing "LONG TERM" for our Party.

I honestly am in a quandry about this......and that holds me back from Kerry.

To die for an idea; it is unquestionably noble. But how much nobler it would be if men died for ideas that were true!

[TennesseeWalker]

1. I understand your thinking.

I have mixed feelings as well. I would love to see true, across the board change in this country. We need to move toward a more sustainable society, and soon.

However, the sacking and looting of the US Treasury and of third world countries that's happening right now can't be allowed to continue. PNAC is setting up the Western World for a return to feudalism when Peak Oil finally registers on the economy. I don't want to be ruled, and maybe Kerry, prodded on by the newly awakened, will respond to our concerns.

[KoKo]

3. Yes. We might need to do this incrimentally. Baby Steps Back? I hate

to think, that's what it's become in the three or actually four years since this Corrupt Regime came into place.

I wish we could do what Bush did. Come in strong and just do everything by "Executive Order." Since the Chimp has created the "Imperial Presidency" why can't we as Dems do this if we can get back into power?

Why be timid, consensus builders? Just go for broke and do it all with Executive FIAT! They did it and pushed it all through. Isn't it time for a Dem President to do the same back? Just "Turn back the Clock" and include back what Clinton had...with the exception of NAFTA/MEDIA GIVEAWAYS and CORPORATE SEC DE-REG?"

WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT??? Since they did it?

Shouldn't bill and Hillary just rammed through their "Health Insurance Overhall?"

Bush did it.....why couldn't they? :shrug: Timidity doesn't win much in the world of hard knocks. (well..a bad analogy...just go with it..)

[rogerashton]

2. Lenin said: the worse things are, the better they are,

because, supposedly, things getting worse would bring the revolution nearer. And the German Communists watched the NAZI takeover with the attitude: Nach Hitler, uns. After Hitler, us.

I don't buy it, and I think history proves that they were wrong. Worse is worse, and after worse, worse yet, if progressives don't do everything they can to turn it around, as soon as possible.

[KoKo]

4. I agree, think there's no bottom depth for "Worse" because folks readjust

their expectations downwards. I think the only thing that works for us is that Americans have always been an "optimistic/inventive" people. So, we may have more resiliance and a higher threshold of expectations for our politicians which provides a "balance."

In the end, that might be what saves us from other civilizations downfall at the hands of Imperialistic Deceivers. But, maybe we've morphed so much with our "McMansions and love of SUV's" that that's no longer true. I hope not....but America has indeed changed. There's much wealth out there which wants to hold us who can't compete with that down so we can keep proping them up. :-(