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George_Bonanza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 07:50 PM
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To which candidate will Clark's support go?
I perceived Clark supporters as pretty broad-minded on these boards, ranging as potential supporters of Kerry, Dean, or Edwards. But please, check in and state who your support has gone over to now. And please comment on how you think the national Clark support will sway, not just DUers.
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 07:52 PM
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1. To the nominee's candidate
That's who.

And that's where the national support is going.
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 07:53 PM
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2. to whichever one is most right for them, that is, could be anyone
and thats as it should be. People are individuals, there is no one right answer.

Good luck for those confronted with this challenge.
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 07:54 PM
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3. No one.
I'm out of the game till the nominee has been decided. After that, I'm going all out to get BushOut.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 07:54 PM
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4. Not sure who I'll vote for in the primaries.
I'm tossing back and forth between Kerry and Edwards. It's a tough call. But I'll support the Democratic nonimee 150%.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 07:54 PM
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5. Clark supporters are not monolithic and will support whomever they choose
I believe that we are generally thoughtful people who will give much consideration to our choice, and we won't make that decision today--it hasn't even been 24 hours since rumors of Clark's withdrawal surfaced.

Give us time...you will see soon enough who we support.
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George_Bonanza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 07:58 PM
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11. "I believe that we are generally thoughtful people"
Yes, I agree, which is why I said it in my post.
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 08:10 AM
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51. I Seriously Doubt It
At least, not the core Clark supporters who understood what he was all about. Wes Clark is the polar opposite of Dubya. On almost every issue that matters, Clark is in opposition to Bush. On gay rights, on abortion, on voluntary wars, on foreign policy, on taxes, on any number of things. A Clark supporter who goes to Bush either didn't understand what Clark was all about or is just plain stupid.

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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 07:55 PM
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6. The other honest candidate.
I'm for Kucinich until Clark is picked for VP or the convention. If Clark is on my primary ballot he gets my vote since I worked so hard to put him there.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 07:50 AM
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48. me too
Kooch! (Kucinich!!) until he bows out...

Although I was lucky enough to vote for Clark on Tuesday in Virginia.

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Tim_in_HK Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 07:56 PM
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7. Won't support anyone till after nomination
Will vote for Clark in NY.

Once nominee is decided, it's ABB.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 07:56 PM
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8. My support isn't moving just yet
I have a candidate in mind to support, but I'm not ready. I will be voting for Clark in the primary, in any case, unless the race tightens significantly. As Clark supporters here decide where to place their trust and support, I expect it will go in every direction. I believe on a national level Clark's support fits best with Kerry, because of the commander in chief role. I believe national security is the critical issue and it is not the time for a president who is light on foreign policy experience. Others will disagree, though. I in no way represent the broadly nuanced mindset of Clark supporters everywhere.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 08:10 PM
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16. That's funny!
We both reached for the HST after Clark dropped out.
I'm feeling distinctly full of 'fear and loathing' myself.
How about you?

From a proud Wes Clark Democrat!!!

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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:34 AM
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35. It's the Gonzo Clark Twins!!
:smoke:

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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 07:57 PM
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9. Kerry.
I believe most will go to Kerry as I have. I know 75% of the delegates have yet to be decided but it's just about over now. Kerry's momentum is too much to overcome, he will be the nominee. I just hope there is a place for the General in his cabinet or on his ticket. Let's go remove the Chimp!
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 07:57 PM
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10. Stop it.


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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 08:05 PM
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13. Your point is cute and poetic. But it's not vulturous to go after Clarkies
Clark ain't dead and neither are his supporters. Please court me. I'm a Wes Clark Democrat but I sure ain't in mourning.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:08 AM
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39. Janx is right. Its actually very insensitive and lacks any class.
I would say the same for you if your nominee had just folded his/her tent.

Please lay off for atLEAST 24 hours and for now, stop thinking about how it may benefit you and your candidate.

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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:38 AM
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41. But my candidate (Clark) did just fold his tents. I'm not offended by plea
for joining another candidate. Maybe others are. Speaking for myself, when it comes to political suitors... Bring. Them. On.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 08:01 PM
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12. We're a fairly diverse bunch. I don't think even Clark could steer us
If Wes came out tomorrow and endorsed candidate X, I would still make my own choice. I doubt even he could sway more than 10% of us on his say so alone. Nope, there's no en masse deal to be made here. Candidates are gonna have to pick up the Clarkies retail, not wholesale. I suppose that means a Kerry nomination, which I'm not wild about. Kerry's sole grace is that he might retain a lot of the veteran vote that Edwards could lose. Flipside, Kerry will crash in southern states that Edwards would make at least competitive. I think this election will come down to Ohio & Pennsylvania, not Florida. The question is really who can bring those Erie states home.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 08:07 PM
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14. No one.
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 08:07 PM by in_cog_ni_to
I will vote for Clark in my Illinois Primary and I will write his name in at the GE.
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For PaisAn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:18 PM
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24. I feel the same right now
My vote wasn't needed or considered in this primary so They won't be needing or getting it in the GE. I'll stay with Clark.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 08:07 PM
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15. My support will go to Kerry.
I think he is obviously the best choice to win the GE (after Clark, of course) and that is my main goal.

I think Kerry will pick up most of the Clark support because it is the most pragmatic of choices.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 08:10 PM
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17. It stays
I will vote for Clark in the California Primary and I am doing what I can to see to it that he is endorsed as the VP candidate.
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britpopper Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:00 AM
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38. Exactly...
Here in California, I am still punching my ticket for the General on March 2...
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 08:12 PM
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18. I don't know yet.
I have been swaying towards Edwards or DK. I probably won't make up my mind until just before my primary which isn't until March 16. I will be ABB obviously in the GE.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 08:16 PM
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19. I've already voted for Clark
So I'll sit back and wait. I won't give any money until the Democratic candidate has been chosen. I WILL comment when I see stupid stuff posted ( ie kooky conspiracy theories) about any of the candidates left no matter who it is.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 08:21 PM
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20. Kucinich, Kerry or Edwards depending on why they're pro-Clark.
Kucinich opposed the war. Kerry is the frontrunner and a military hero. Edwards is from the same region as Clark.
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Donkey007 Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 09:00 PM
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21. Clark
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 09:24 PM
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22. Howard Dean, for the most part
Dean was my favorite until I joined the Draft Clark movement in May, 2003. Of course there are many reasons why a candidate gets support. I think however that Clark's early opposition to the way Bush handled Iraq, coupled with the silence of other Democrats except for Dean and Kucinich, resulted in his attractiveness to those who were very anti-war. That's primarily why I supported Clark and contributed to his campaign. Like Dean, Clark is an outsider and a maverick in having taken unpopular positions, with his defense of the French and of French culture in a March, 2003 Washington Post article while everyone else was French bashing leading up to the war, Clark's defense of Michael Moore when no one defended his right to speak out, Clark's prouncement that "we must understand the Islamic perspective" as quoted in an article on him in Arab News when no one dared to suggest such a thing, made him popular to those who want an anti-status quo rebel for a change. Dean was always my second favorite candidate after Clark, with Kucinich also very worthy of my support.
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 09:30 PM
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23. our primary's not until may
and with what's just happened with wes i don't want to get all tied up with somebody until i know he's going to be in the race for me to vote for then! am just keeping my eyes and ears open. and if there's nobody i consider worth voting for in may, i'll just write in wes clark!
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Piltdown13 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:28 PM
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25. I haven't decided yet.
Still mulling over the options, as well as giving Clark a little more time to possibly throw his support in one direction or another (I'd like to take his argument for supporting whoever he endorses into consideration as I make my choice). The core of my university Clark group is also considering whether we want to join another effort; it would be a shame to let all that energy go to waste, and might be a way to get the eventual nominee to take some of Clark's positions.
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celticartemis Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:32 PM
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26. No one
I'm voting absentee GA for Clark (just moved to VA). After the nomination it'll be the Democratic candidate, full steam ahead. No offense to Kerry people, I'm not ready to throw in with you guys. Our area coordinator in N. VA wants us to go to Kerry meetups, but I just can't. I signed up for Wesley Clark. I STILL believe he's the one to face off with Shrub. Please, someone tell me how to keep in touch with Clark supporters!
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:32 PM
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27. I'm a one man woman
I'll vote for the nominee in the GE.

But don't ask me to campaign for another candidate. It's not going to happen. It would be impossible for me to do that. I worked for Clark because I believed in him, not because I'm addicted to campaigning. The rest of you with candidates still in the race, who can still vote, will decide. Although I fear it is a forgone conclusion, at this point.
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:32 PM
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28. I'll vote for the Dem nominee in the GE, but until then, I doubt
I'll be throwing in with a particular candidate. On Super Tuesday, if Clark's name is on the ballot, I'll probably vote for him just to make a point. At this point in time, I feel that my vote would be meaningless that day anyway...particularly since I'm in Kerry's home state.
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WillyBrandt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:33 PM
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29. Kerry. I'm writing in Clark in the primary; but fully supporting
Kerry in the GE
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:39 PM
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30. I am a Washington State delegate for Clark.
I guess my second choice would be John Kerry because of his military background. One of the biggest reasons I came out for Clark is because of veteran's issues. In spite of all their though talk the Bush administration has literally taken a big shit on our men and women in uniform.

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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:50 PM
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31. Kerry.
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Turkw Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:19 AM
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32. no one, I'll vote ABB in November, my vote for another candidate in
the primary JUST as a protest, if I don't write in Clark's name. But that's it.
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:24 AM
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33. ditto eom
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funky_bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:30 AM
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34. My support goes to...
the worm at the bottom of whatever the hell it is that you all are drinking.

It's been exactly nine hours since Clark bowed out. It takes my dog longer to decide where to drop her next bowel movement.

Ya'll be soundin' like vultures! Unless of course, you are genuinly curious... in which case I will put down my beer and say this:

There are only two other candidates that I share ideological affiliation with: Dean and Kucinich. If Dean needs me, I might give him my little ol' vote, but if he's still hurting come Super Tuesday, I'll go with Kucinich. He's flopping around the bottom of the pond, but at least he's not the scum rising to the top.
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Kathleen04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:37 AM
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36. My thoughts:
I'm going with Edwards...but my own mental wrestling and hoping that Clark could have or that Edwards can prevail over Kerry is getting tiresome within my own mind. I don't want to be disappointed again. And, I want to genuinely like Kerry so I have to work on that now.

I have no idea where national Clark support will go, but it certainly isn't a block vote...

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Kosmos Mariner Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:52 AM
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37. Clark!
He is not a passing fancy. I will vote for the Dem nominee in the fall, but I am first and foremost a Clark Democrat!



:dem:
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George_Bonanza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:21 AM
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40. Didn't mean to be a vulture
It's just that when Gephardt and Lieberman dropped out, threads like this instantly popped up. Thought it was just a natural expression of curiosity to ask supporters of a former candidate whom they were going to look at next. Sorry.
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hope42mro Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:55 AM
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42. I will follow where Clark leads. I trust his judgment above all else
If he throws his full support behind one candidate, so will I.
If he disappears until the primary is over and the nominee chosen, I won't care about the primary either.
I invested so much devotion into this man. Just because his bid for the presidency is over doesn't mean I can't follow him.

I will follow his lead by being the best student I can.
I will criticize the Republicans for their abuse of "family values", for their sovereign claim to American Patriotism, and for throwing our young troops into an unnecessary war.
I will be gracious and noble.

I will forever be a Wes Clark Democrat.

:tinfoilhat:Long live the Liberals' General!:tinfoilhat:
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saoirse Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 02:50 AM
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43. I'm now in the Kerry camp
And I think most Clark supporters will join me, if they haven't already.

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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 05:22 AM
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44. Mine will eventually go to Kerry
I still haven't voted in my (CA) primary yet and I think that vote will still go to Clark after that I will most likely become a Kerry supporter.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 06:32 AM
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45. I think they will split for all remaining candidates.
People supported the General for different reasons, so they will find their 2nd best match in different alternatives. And some may be anxious to get the primaries over so that the battle with * will be focused, so I would expect the largest % to go to the current frontrunner.
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texasmom Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 07:16 AM
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46. No candidate, but I will work tirelessly for paper trails.
I'm going to jump back in and get more informed about the current work in this area and start fighting to get paper trails for E-voting.

I think that this might be the most productive place for me to channel my energy. We need more awareness of the various serious problems involved in e-voting, and we need to make sure the it starts getting media attention.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org
http://www.verifiedvoting.org

General Clark inspired me and gave me hope from the moment I learned about him in July, 2003. I've worked for his nomination ever since. Now I'll pay attention to what he says and where he leads us, will definitely support the Dem. nominee, but we've got to make sure the votes that are cast are counted in November.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 07:51 AM
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49. Inspired to write again
to my reps and state govt. for paper receipt after not getting one on Tuesday's primary. I want a receipt dammit! Is this so hard??

Definitely a worthwhile cause folks.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 08:06 AM
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50. That is a good
idea. I can't imagine working so hard for a candidate and then immediately being asked who I will now support. You have a good plan of action. May I suggest something without it being taken as "a vote for my guy"?

www.kucinich.us has a lot on the front page of his web site about this and a nice plan of action with suggestions of where to start, etc. I know there are other resources but his is a good and helpful one. I might help you get started if you have not already.
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