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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 05:35 PM
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Kucinich: Because he doesn't speak doublespeak and we're so used to seeing that as leadership
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1595243,00.html


Constant Candidate



Remember that kid in high school who ran for class president, the one who wasn't popular, who didn't have money or dress well or even make a decent hallway poster? Now imagine if he sticks to it so long he starts to win. And by the time he's 23, he's a city councilman in Cleveland. At 31, he's the country's youngest big city mayor. All this success, you figure, would make his skin glow a little, his suits a bit spiffier, his speeches a little punchier. But what if he was so damn earnest that it didn't? What if at 60 he still looked and sounded like Dennis Kucinich?

You would make fun of him. And you did.

But Kucinich--a six-term Congressman who is running for President despite consistently coming in last in the 2004 primaries and first in talk-show monologues--doesn't care. Because he's so sure that what he's been saying for four years is right--he's for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq, ratifying Kyoto, universal health care--he's convinced there's a moment coming, some event or speech or interview, when voters will suddenly realize he's not a joke: "When people see what I have to say, they go, 'Hey, wait. He's right about the war. Ha-ha. He's right about health care. Ha-ha.'" Kucinich believes deeply in the coming of this grand American epiphany even if no one outside his tiny camp does. "How can you take someone seriously that led us to war and not take someone seriously who stood for peace? It's a commentary on where we are as a society," he says. "Do we value celebrity over truth?"

That, of course, is a decision that society made when Star magazine launched. And Kucinich isn't a celebrity; he's an aging, 5-ft. 7-in. vegan. Last Saturday, as he spoke at a lectern on the corner of Hollywood and Vine in Los Angeles, accepting a Champion for Peace Award from the members of Military Families Speak Out at an Oscars for Peace event, none of the hundreds of people who walked right in front of him stopped, despite the fact that he was standing next to an 8-ft.-tall Oscar clad in camouflage and missing a leg.

Unlike most fringe presidential candidates, Kucinich has years of experience in elective office. But even mainstream liberals won't support a candidate who wants to end the war on drugs and create a Department of Peace. Nancy Pelosi and Henry Waxman passed over him for chairman of the National Security and Foreign Affairs Subcommittee, which he was in line to take over. Even Shirley MacLaine, who has been friends with Kucinich since the '70s, sees how his party won't embrace him. "Maybe it's because he doesn't speak doublespeak and we're so used to seeing that as leadership," she says. "Or maybe it's because he's so short."

And yet the universe has been going his way lately. Even his old kooky ideas are looking pretty good these days. His decision to allow Cleveland to default instead of selling its electric-utility company cost him re-election and landed him in a book about the worst mayors in American history, but he was later honored by the city council for refusing to sell, a move that saved customers nearly $200 million over 10 years. More inconceivable, less than two years ago, his office was visited by a stunning 6-ft.-tall Julianne Moore look-alike 31 years his junior, a Brit who was working for the American Monetary Institute. After some smooth wooing on his part ("I gave her a copy of my Department of Peace legislation and my e-mail address") and one date (at MacLaine's house), she agreed to marry him. If that happened to you, you'd think you could be President too.

Kucinich said he knew after that first meeting that Elizabeth would be his third wife: "I went up to Stephanie Tubbs Jones , and I said, 'I met her.' And Stephanie said, 'Shut up!'" Now with his new bride constantly at his side, Kucinich has picked up his campaigning a little. Speaking to the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, he broke into Sixteen Tons (standing ovation from Jesse Jackson; four stars on YouTube). At an event in Nevada, Kucinich ended his speech with his new move: after listing his goals, he asks, "Why is it I'm able to do this?" Then he puts his arms out and spins, waiting for someone to yell, "No strings!" Once someone does, he twirls more and then yells, "A President with no strings!" (five stars on YouTube).

Kucinich will run all the way, waiting for that moment when he transforms from punch line to President. And he insists that he isn't frustrated that it hasn't happened yet. "Not at all," he says. "The real test of power is whether you can endure the setbacks and still meet each day with integrity and courage." That, though, is the test of moral fiber, not the test of power. The test of power is whether you can persuade others to do your will. And it may be that an earnest man with progressive ideas who still can't make a decent campaign poster will always fail that test.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 05:45 PM
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1. I can't believe Kos cited that stupid book ranking him as a poor mayor...
as a reason he says "Ugh" to Kucinich.

Grr. How stupid is that?

Lost a LOT of respect for ole Markos over that major lapse in judgment.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 06:01 PM
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2. And afterward they realized that he saved their ass 200 million. So quick to judge. nt
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 06:16 PM
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3. I know... and Kos STILL has it wrong!
:wtf:
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 06:23 PM
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5. I could have sworn you were being sarcastic. Pardon me.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 06:22 PM
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4. Until he decides to run for President...
Then all of a sudden straight talker Dennis decides he is pro-choice, pro stem-cell research, and maybe it isn't a good idea to amend the constitution to ban flag burning after all...

He panders like any politician...he just isn't called out here because he panders to the left!
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 06:25 PM
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7. There is no perfect candidate. This guy just happens to be the best choice.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 06:29 PM
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9. Hardly...he is the new Jerry Brown...
Nice guy, heart in the right place...totally unqualified to be President...
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 06:49 PM
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11. The best leader is willing to approach at the heart.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 07:17 PM
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45. Why don't you drop the right-wing meme
"unqualified to be President?"

It's bullshit. The piece of crap who's in the WH right now is "qualified to be president" according to 5 members of SCOTUS in 2000. The whole "unqualified" mime is bullshit.

Everyone who's running for the Dem nomination is more qualified than that piece of shit bush...

Dennis more qualified than most.
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AnOhioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 07:06 PM
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15. Somehow I knew...
that the above poster would weigh in with the typical "left is bad" nonsense. :eyes:
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 07:11 PM
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18. There are very few honest politicans. One is running for president.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 01:27 PM
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40. That should be his main message!!
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 07:18 PM
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20. Hmmmm.....
Can you point to where I said the "Left is Bad" in the above post....


And actually somehow I knew that Kucinich supporters would find some way to excuse his blatant pandering!
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AnOhioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 07:21 PM
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21. I have read other posts you have made...
Edited on Fri Mar-02-07 07:21 PM by AnOhioan
I do not have the inclination to search for specific phrases. But I do know that you have consistently made disparaging comments about Dennis in particular and lefties in general.

Like I said before, I knew you would show up in this thread the moment I read the title.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 07:22 PM
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22. And like I said...
Because he panders to the left I knew his blatant flip-flops would be excused!
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Egalitarian Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 07:42 PM
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24. Exactly. As all candidates pander, the question is
which pandering do you prefer.
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AnOhioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 08:50 PM
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27. Save it for the next meeting of the....
DLC
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 08:56 PM
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29. I'm not a member of the DLC...
So I will have to continue to post here...
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AnOhioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:00 PM
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30. As will I, and alot of other lefties
Hope you can handle it.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:01 PM
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31. Gosh...
I can't recall a time in the last 5 years that I have been posting here...that I have ever told anyone to "Save It"...so yes I think I can handle it
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AnOhioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:08 PM
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32. Good for you
Edited on Fri Mar-02-07 09:24 PM by AnOhioan
Playtime is now over, run along now.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:09 PM
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33. Nah...I like it here just fine..nt
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 04:01 PM
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41. You would criticizes someone because they came around to your view point on issues?
I wouldn't.

For instance, I'm glad Hillary is now criticizing the war. It's about time!
And I'm glad that Dennis became pro-choice 5 years ago. It was about time. I'm glad he's getting 100% ratings from NARAL.

Now if Hillary would embrace Single Payer fee for service universal health care, a vastly reduced US military posture, universal K through 4 year college, an assessment and re-evaluation of the war on drugs, and the implementation of fair trade, then I could see considering her. I don't see that as yet, but if she changed her mind on these important issues, I'd certainly applaud her conversion.

I'm tired of Empire America and would prefer a candidate who values a democratic republic over empire building. If you consider that to be "leftists" I can only shake my head and wonder about your goal posts.

Dennis says what he believes, provides written documentation to support what his plans are, how he would implement the plan, and why he supports those plans.

Hillary, on the other hand, says she supports universal health care but she has still to release plans to realize that goal. While I don't agree with the Edwards plan, at least he released a plan. That shows some leadership and responsibility over your ideas.

The pandering is from Hillary. She talks a lot about universal health care, but she doesn't talk much about how to do it. I think she said it would take to the end of her second term for her to achieve it, whatever that "it" is.



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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 08:15 PM
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25. I was thinking quite the same.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 01:16 PM
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49. Predicatable as the sun rising in the east,ain't it?
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Egalitarian Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 07:06 PM
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16. Oh yeah, well who else can do the "no strings" thing?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 04:11 PM
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42. A Hillary supporter whining about Pandering.
Awww...how cute they are when they're young.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 01:12 PM
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48. Oh I wish I were young...
Edited on Mon Mar-05-07 01:13 PM by SaveElmer
I have been around so long I have seen every type of pandering there is...

And Kucinich's is right there at the top...turn on a dime 180 degree shift right before his Presidential election run...


And the only reason he isn't called out for it here...cause he is pandering to the left...

btw: If Hillary were the abject panderer you seem to think she is...she would have already come up with some bogus non-apology apology for her IWR vote...like Edwards!!!

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 01:17 PM
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50. I wish you were young too
Maybe then you could start over.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 06:23 PM
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6. That's three for The Man. Good piece, thanks for posting it.
It (the article) raises several issues that I, for one, would like to have him address. As a supporter (don't forget to clink the banner below), I want him to get the respect he deserves for his unmatched record of accomplishments. For far too long he has been abused and misused by his own party, and because of that he has been totally ignored by the opposition, and I think it's time he "goes all in". To that end, I would like you (the reader) to http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=272x932">read this post and tell me what you think.

This next election is, IMO, absolutely vital. The last Presidential election was probably more so, but that opportunity was squandered and we have to live with it. The upcoming election will determine, among other things, who will get to name the next, possibly two, Supreme Court Justices and it is not possible to overstate how vital that will be. We have not seen a court this stacked against ordinary people in 175 years and if a so-called conservative gets in, I'm afraid that it will be the end for America as it was meant to be.

Think about it, the SCOTUS of the 1830's laid the groundwork for the domination of the ruling class in this nation to this day. From the genocide of Aboriginal Americans, Jim Crow and Plessy v. Ferguson, the Civil War, the robber barons, corporate "person hood", the Federal reserve, etc., were all brought about by the precedents of this court.

We just have to find some way to shake up the electorate and make it clear what is at stake this time. Seven of the nine justices were nominated by Republicans, only three of whom are generally considered at least marginally liberal and the youngest of these is Breyer who will be 70 in the next election. How long will they last? Can we afford to let more conservative Ideologues be appointed?

Imagine a bushbot with veto power deciding what reforms will be allowed to pass for the next 30 years. "Imagine a boot stomping on a human face -- forever." - George Orwell

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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 06:27 PM
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8. That's a great argument. I highly recommend you post a thread with it.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 07:02 PM
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13. Thanks, I will.
I'm working on an epic 8000th post right now, and I think I'll work it in there.

:D

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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 06:36 PM
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10. K for K
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 06:59 PM
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12. Good ideas aren't enough
Edited on Fri Mar-02-07 06:59 PM by Nederland
That's what Kucinich supports don't seem to realize. You need to be able to lead. You need to be able to garner support for your ideas and get things done. That is the fundamental problem with Kucinich--in all his years of politics he hasn't ever been able to get any of his big ideas (universal health care, Department of Peace, etc.) through Congress and into law. Heck, he can't even persuade Nancy Pelosi, a member of his own party, to give him a chair for a spot that rightfully should be his. What does that tell you about his ability to lead?
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 07:06 PM
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17. Isn't that funny Clinton wasn't able to get uni health through either.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 07:13 PM
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19. True
But at least he was able to get elected President while talking about it.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 08:17 PM
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26. Exactly right. He was a talker. He couldn't really do anything.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 12:48 PM
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47. Couldn't do anything?
He got elected for Christ sakes. He won a general election, as opposed to Kucinich who can't even get into the double digits in a Democratic primary. There simply is no comparision...
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AnOhioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 08:53 PM
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28. Maybe he would have been successful
If what he was proposing was actually Single Payer, and not some half-baked insurance company enrichment plan.
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Egalitarian Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 07:28 PM
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23. Couldn't say.
Might it say more about other members of congress than it says about Dennis? Look, I doubt any Kucinich supporters would bet money on him. But, what they realize and you don't seem to understand is that he is the one candidate who is actively pushing the progressive agenda. When he is dismissed, his message is dismissed. If you disagree with his message, then say so. If you do agree with his message, then why not support it by supporting him? What is there to lose?

Regarding leadership this reminds me of Dennis:

do not follow me, for i will not lead you.
do not lead me, for i will not follow you.
walk along side me, as a brother/sister, and a friend.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 04:43 AM
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34. You are attempting to reason with an unreasonable mind.
Doubtless another product of the non-existent indoctrination by the non-existent ruling-class.
:kick:
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 06:37 AM
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35. His difficulty in persuading other Dems tells me something
about the corporate agenda that's pervasive in the Party.
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AnOhioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 07:04 PM
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14. K&R for Dennis...Having him as a candidate makes the.....
whole process bearable...I could not stand to just have the "beauty/popularity contest" types running for President.
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 10:20 AM
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36. Kucinich is our only hope.
He is the only one that is progressive enough to push these nazis out for a long time.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 12:14 PM
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37. why the FUCK is this party still having debates about HRC and Obama...
...and Edwards and so on but not about the ONE CANDIDATE who has got it right on all the issues and has for years? Dennis Kucinich is the best hope for this country to seek the democratic party nomination during the last two elections, and he can't even get respect from his own colleagues. The media largely ignores him. Democrats debate about who the lesser evil is while the greater good stands ready to save the country.

:nuke:
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 12:27 PM
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38. Because
the party is corrupt. Corrupt party values place the greater good at the bottom of the priority list, and "winning at all costs" at the top.

Determinedly ignoring the fact that we don't "win" anything if we aren't representing and working for the greater good, and that putting focus and resources on the greater good instead of the lesser evil would result in a "win/win."
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 05:40 PM
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44. Excellent point.
Please see http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=272x932">this post and tell me what you think, it would be greatly appreciated as I feel like this may be our last chance.
:kick:

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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 12:36 PM
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39. Wow, she married him after one date?
Edited on Sat Mar-03-07 12:40 PM by Heaven and Earth
I didn't think stuff like that happened in real life. He's like that major league pitcher who found a billion dollars worth of stone on land that he bought to build a new house on.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 05:23 PM
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43. Kick and a plug.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 11:15 PM
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46. another
:kick: for K!

dp
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