Growing Jewish Woes Seen For Sen. Clinton

[cali]

Fresh data showing heavy Jewish opposition to the Iraq war may signal trouble ahead for Sen. Hillary Clinton’s campaign for Jewish support in her presidential drive while seeking a middle ground on the issue.

According to a new analysis of Gallup poll data over a two-year span, 48 percent of Protestants and 53 percent of Catholics surveyed said the Iraq war was a mistake —compared to 77 percent of Jews. The Jewish figure was second only to African American Protestants in opposition to the conflict.

In an indication of the breadth of Jewish opposition, even 65 percent of Jewish “non-Democrats” agree that the war was a mistake.

The numbers confirm what Jewish politicos say may be the 800-pound gorilla in Jewish politics at the start of a long election season: the Iraq war. And Clinton, with a cautious centrist strategy, may be the most vulnerable Democrat.

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http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=13736

[HereSince1628]

1. Is that link right?

It took me to an article on eco-Judaism not Jewish sentiment on the Iraq war

[cali]

3. No, it wasn't right.

but it's fixed now.

[HereSince1628]

5. Thanks.

[Clintonista2]

2. Good thing Mrs.Clinton is against the Iraq war then. nt.

[cali]

4. Except that many people don't

see it that way. They see her as hedging and triangulating.

[no_hypocrisy]

6. Political dilemma:

A) Go with AIPAC and continue to support the "war" and maybe expand into Iran and Syria,

or

B) Go for the majority of votes and curtail and incrementally end involvement in Iraq?

And you can't do both -- and win.

[cali]

8. Right. Because AIPAC is responsible for the Iraq war

and secretly directs it. That's the reason we're in Iraq. God I'm sick of this delusional bullshit.

[no_hypocrisy]

9. Clarification of my post with respect, please.

I'm saying the AIPAC does not have the position to end involvement with Iraq as soon as possible. The group does not promulgate that the U.S. should leave and leaves open the impression that it supports * in his military goals no matter what.

I didn't intend to imply that AIPAC was the control center behind the U.S. going into Iraq.

[Ian David]

11. You're implying that AIPAC is directing us to support the war and expand into Iran and Syria.

"A) Go with AIPAC and continue to support the "war" and maybe expand into Iran and Syria, "

[cali]

12. Your clarification

didn't make things much clearer. In any case, what does AIPAC have to do with this story?

[Ian David]

10. If we can't blame this mess on Da Joos, then we'd have to take responsibility for it ourselves.

That would be un-Christian.

[Porcupine]

20. Not fair. Supported, yes. promoted, yes. responsible, no. nt

I really don't like AIPAC but I like the truth more than I hate them.

[wakeme2008]

7. What I am SHOCKED the Israeli lobby AIPAC does not speak for the

Jewish population in the US.... SHOCKED SHOCKED SHOCKED...

[Hippo_Tron]

26. They generally do on matters directly related to Israel

But IMO there has been an influx of Republicans into AIPAC over the years which leads them to be too supportive of the neocon agenda (which doesn't make Israel more secure by any means).

[LeftishBrit]

13. What is most startling here is that only half the Protestants think the war is a mistake!

I'm less surprised over the Jewish opposition to what is clearly an idiotic and evil policy.

Of course, the post does say 'over a two-year span', and anti-war sentiment would have increased recently.

Hope that the pressure increases on all the candidates to oppose the war.

[qwlauren35]

23. Not sure why you're surprised.

This just reflects the fact that many American Protestants are Republican and support Bush's foreign policies.

[LeftishBrit]

25. I suppose it's just because in the UK there is an overwhelming majority against the war

and in any case it seems so self-evident to me that the war was wrong from the beginning that I'm always -naively no doubt - surprised when any group supports it.

But of course, someone had to vote for Bush!

[SaveElmer]

14. Unwarranted conclusion...

As the recent WaPo/ABCNews poll clearly showed...opposition to the war does not translate to opposition to those that voted for the IWR...

Most Democrats, unlike most here, are able to distinguish between the reasons for the IWR vote among Democrats, and the initiation and prosecution of the war by Bush...

They know where the blame lies...with George W. Bush!

[ShortnFiery]

15. "opposition to the war does not translate to opposition to those that voted for the IWR..."

Wanna bet? Of course it does! And as more blood is spilled in the streets of Baghdad, the American People are again reminded WHICH Senators choose their Country over their Career Ambitions.

Bullshit! Each day as more and more of our soldiers die for this immoral invasion and occupation of Iraq, I despise both The Unitary Executive AND those in Congress who voted "Yea" on the IWR a more. :grr:

I will not forget their priorities are 1) Personal Career Ambitions (IWR); 2) Political Cronyism (campaigning for Lieberman and not Filibustering Alito Nomination); 3) Large Corporations (Bankruptcy Bills); 4) A ort for The Peasant Class with a kiss on the cheek and requests for donations for THEIR personal campaign (NON-binding wrist slap for The Idiot King). :thumbsdown:

[SaveElmer]

16. Not according to the poll I cited...

And virtually every poll showing her in the lead...

It matters on DU...but DU doesn't even come close to representing mainstream Democratic thinking...

[ShortnFiery]

17. IMO, you nailed it with the word "Virtually"

With true respect, I don't think many folks here truly realize that those leads will dwindle when time for the primaries come. Right now, it's all about name recognition.

Both HRC and McCain are polarizing figures who don't stand a snowball's chance in hell despite the M$M whoring compliantly for their Corporate Masters. These two above Establishment Candidates will come across like "a turd in the punchbowl" the more we educate the Non-Investor Classes of their sycophantic ways. :shrug:

[SaveElmer]

18. I disagree

With you on her chance for election...they are very good...

However the point of the post was a poll that asked about the IWR vote specifically...

52% of Democrats did not believe it was a mistake at the time...

Of the remaining 47% only 31% believe an apology is required for that vote...

To put it into raw numbers

Out of every 100 Democrats, 47 believe the IWR was a mistake

Out of that 47 only 15 believe an apology is warranted...

So out of every 100 Democrats only 15 believe an apology for a Yes vote on the IWR is required...


And among those for whom the War is the #1 issue...Hillary leads Obama overwhelmingly...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/27/AR2007022701030.html

[ShortnFiery]

19. Again, as time passes, those numbers will increase. But we agree to disagree. Peace. n/t

[rinsd]

24. The name recognition meme has already been destroyed.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/1/30/181044/219

http://vermonter.mydd.com/story/2007/2/25/155026/887

"These two above Establishment Candidates will come across like "a turd in the punchbowl" the more we educate the Non-Investor Classes of their sycophantic ways. "

Yes because "Pinnochio" is really gonna win them over.

[rinsd]

22. Data to demostrate

"opposition to the war does not translate to opposition to those that voted for the IWR"

Which can be demostrated in poll data.

"Wanna bet? Of course it does! And as more blood is spilled in the streets of Baghdad, the American People are again reminded WHICH Senators choose their Country over their Career Ambitions. "

Really? Than it would stand to reason that Hillary Clinton's stock would have plummetted with her high visibility on the issue. But her approval ratings are in the 80's amongst liberals and Democrats, two groups considered more likely to be against the war.

Here's a link to a tracking poll encompassing the last 2 years.


http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=77ca4b7e-ec24-4213-a4d6-f5053467ebf4&x=0,0

[qwlauren35]

21. Oh HAPPY DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am actually amused - this leads me to believe that Lieberman's opinion is a minority viewpoint!

I have always gotten the impression that being pro-Israel meant supporting any agression against Arab nations. I am very glad to see that this isn't true.

[Hippo_Tron]

27. Lamont won the Jewish vote at least in the primary

Not sure about the general election.