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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:04 PM
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Clark supporter coming back to the Edwards camp here
Senator Edwards issued the following statement today:

"General Wesley Clark has served his country with honor and integrity, and he deserves every American's praise for his service. He has run a strong campaign based on leadership and patriotism-two characteristics that define him to the core. While General Clark may leave this campaign today, we are all proud that he remains committed to ending George Bush's presidency and launching a new beginning for America. I hope that he continues to offer his ideas and insights as we work together to take back the White House in November."


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Any others coming with me? Yesterday and today have been a huge letdown. I truely believe that Clark would have been the greatest president since probably Kennedy. But so too could John Edwards. I was with him until shortly after Clark got into the race, and now I'm back. There are a number of my aquaintances who have worked for Clark, mostly in the college democrats where I go to school, and we plan on signing on to the Edwards campaign officially. I think that Edwards can take this thing to March 9th and knock Kerry out.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:06 PM
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1. I too believe that Clark would have been one of our.....
nations greatest Presidents, but I would like to
make John Kerry the nominee by "knocking John Edward out".
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efront Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:10 PM
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3. So that's a no?
:)
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:09 PM
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2. I'll probably be joining you guys in the next couple of weeks...
Still pondering
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Patriarch Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:21 PM
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10. Count me in as ABB!
I'm going to take a good, hard look at Kerry and Edwards in the next couple of days.

I'm incredibly dissapointed with how everything turned out, but with the death toll in Iraq mounting and the Bush administration's most recent comments about how outsourcing is good for the economy, I will certainly join the ABB crowd.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:14 PM
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4. Will Vote In NY Primary For Clark If He's There Or Dennis
why would I vote for a personal injury lawyer who has little qualification to be President?

Edwards believes Saddam as a threat was NOT exagerrated.

He would be a puppet ala Reagan.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:21 PM
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11. Edwards is a senior senator from a state that Bush needs to win
in all likelihood

He will have had the same number of years in politics as Bush did when he ran, and all you need to do is line up Edwards and Bush's upbringings, careers in the private sector, and careers in politics, and see clearly who is the better man to represent American values.

He wouldn't be a puppet for anyone.

I think that him picking Clark, to debate Cheney among other things is a strong possibility, making a marvelous contrast on both ends of the ticket
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:47 PM
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38. link please?
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 05:48 PM by spooky3
to support your allegation about Saddam.

He commented about the war on terrorism, not about Saddam, at the last debate. Please check out the WPost transcript.
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SangamonTaylor Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:16 PM
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5. It really bothered me seeing the infighting between Clark/Edwards support
Clark was my number 2 candidate and it really bothered me seeing certain Edwards supporters crossing the line with questionable conduct. The same applied with certain Clark supporters here. I'm sure that John and Wes would not approve of much of the animosity that has shown it's ugly head here in DU.

John and Wes are both models of integrity and character. Wes Clark is a genuine asset to the Democratic party and I too "hope that he continues to offer his ideas and insights as we work together to take back the White House in November."

There's alot of ground to lay before March 9th! Edwards will take TX, LA, MS, and FL
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:49 PM
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39. I agree. I also like Dean.
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:17 PM
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6. Not a prayer

and many of us Clark supporters know the reason why.
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efront Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:20 PM
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8. That sounds juicy.
Care to share the reason???
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:20 PM
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9. I'm with you!!
How quickly they forget..
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:22 PM
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12. Not me - I have a long memory

And payback's a bitch.
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DjTj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:28 PM
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15. Can you please elaborate?
What is the payback you're referring to?
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:35 PM
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16. I don't mean to be cryptic

but I'll not divulge anything here. Many Clark supporters have a VERY bad taste in our mouths for John Edwards. Trust me when I say you had nothing to do with it, and if things happen primary wise like the pundits say we'll all know soon enough - 'cause we'll broadcast it. :)
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:36 PM
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33. Shelton?
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DjTj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:20 PM
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7. Welcome!
Our numbers have been small here on DU, and you are more than welcome in our camp. Together we CAN change America!
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:23 PM
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13. I saw Edwards in NH
Can't back him. For Attorney General certainly, but not prez.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:24 PM
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14. I truly appreciate the statement
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 04:24 PM by BeyondGeography
But Edwards is too untested on the international front for my tastes. That said, I hope he makes a race of it. It would be the best thing for the party. Kerry needs to get smacked upside his head every now and then; wakes him up.

And, if Johnny Reid wins and makes Wes his VP, you won't find a bigger Edwards supporter.
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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:36 PM
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17. I'm back in the undecided camp, but leaning towards Edwards
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SangamonTaylor Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:41 PM
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18. feel free to lean, we'll provide the support
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:48 PM
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23. QUICK! Somone push him over the edge!!!
Hehe, just kidding.
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jmaier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:41 PM
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19. I'll vote Clark in IL primary and
then get whole-heartedly behind the eventual nominee. In the meantime, I don't feel strongly enough about the other candidates to choose an alternative.
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Taeger Donating Member (914 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:16 PM
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29. Going to cross the border

I think I'll cross the border and help with SOMEONE's campaign. I'm probably back to Kucinich.

I don't believe he has a chance, but he can still force Kerry and Edwards to renounce WTO/NAFTA openly. No more of this waffly "fair trade in new deals" shit. WTO is a personification of evil and American destruction.

If Kerry secretely backs WTO, I don't want Kerry PERIOD!!!! It is a super-sovereign organization responsible only to the international corporations who write it's rules.

WTO is the NUMBER ONE threat to America and the American middle class. It is an attempt to institute a form of corporate global feudalism on the world. They aren't trying to drive up wages overseas, they are ACTIVELY driving them downwards (read Greg Palast on how the IMF fucks over citizens of 3rd world nations). We won't reach equalization until the American middle class is decimated. IMF Policies WILL NOT ALLOW for the creation of healthy middle classes in third world nations.

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Tweed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 06:59 PM
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49. I too will still vote Clark in the IL primary
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:42 PM
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20. No
but thanks.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:43 PM
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21. I'm still pondering, but it's likely down to Edwards or Dean for me.
I have a feeling I'll be joining the Edwards camp, officially, soon... for as long as it lasts. :-(
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:46 PM
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22. No thanks
I do not have a strong preference right now, and besides that, Kerry has this thing locked up. As for how I feel the candidates would do in the GE: I think all three have glaring weaknesses that Bush can exploit. (Hope that's clear enough).
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PatGund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:52 PM
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24. After the mud that Edwards threw at Clark....
....and the lies his campaign told about his "wins", ("tied in Oklahoma" for example), the answer is not only no, but hell no.

Not to mention the fact that certain of Edwards supporters really gave me, (and other Clark supporters) a bad taste in our mouths re: Edwards.

The only reason I would vote for Edwards is if the Democratic Party has the incredibly bad misfortune to select him as the nominee. However, he will *not* get my primary vote. Dean, maybe. Kerry, maybe. Edwards, not a snowball's chance.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:57 PM
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26. The Clark camp didn't treat Edwards any better
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 04:58 PM by Bombtrack
they started off the entire thing by snubbing Edwards official anouncement speech, by leaking to the press that Clark would announce at the very same 10 minute interval as Edwards speech was going on, giving Clark 5 times the press coverage that Edwards recieved

He also has very recently bashed Edwards unfairly on his tax plan and another unproven issue, one about Edwards record on military pay, as well.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:35 PM
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32. I had a big problem with what Clark said about Edwards's tax plan.
So shoot me.
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:53 PM
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25. Welcome back!
:hi:
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:58 PM
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27. I'm ABB and will support the nominee
but I have only one heart to give away and it belongs to Wes. I'm genuinely sorry that I can't get behind any other candidate at this time.

I've been disenfranchised by my state anyway so it wouldn't do any good, and would only make me crazy, as it doesn't seem that anyone but Kerry has a realistic chance at this point. I'm tired of chewing my fingernails down to the knuckles, and ending up with my heart broken.

That being said, it was a classy statement on the part of Edwards, and if he should get the nomination, I will be happy to support him.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:05 PM
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28. Torricelli involvement signalling that Edwards not VP choice?
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 05:05 PM by brentspeak
Torch is apparently enlisting the health insurance industry to raise funds for Kerry, and we all know how the health insurance industry views Edwards.

For the record, I am sickened that Kerry is employing Torricelli.

Brentspeak
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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:20 PM
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30. No
Could have thought about it but there were certain posters here who made my mind up for me. Edwards will be lucky to get my vote in the GE if we are unfortunate to have Edwards as the nominee. Not enough foreign policy. Caucusing for Clark and then switching to Dean
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:39 PM
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35. Edwards is for the average Joe if he's getting his third..
Once+I heard that Edward say that he never did a pro bono case, that clinched it for me. I believe him now to be a slick lawyer type and Washington pol. No thanks!
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:51 PM
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40. Lord. While he wasn't doing the pro bono real estate transaction, he
was winning cases that changed hospital, insurance and corporate policy and it was taking the misery out of hundreds of people's lives in NC and across the country.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:37 PM
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34. Heck no! Edwards is waaay to conservative for me. I'm going Kerry
He's a good liberal.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:43 PM
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36. I'm very happy to welcome you back as a JE supporter, Bombtrack!
We Democrats have had an embarrassment of riches in having many superior candidates this campaign.
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funky_bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:43 PM
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37. Tell ya what I'm gonna do...
... nothing, yet. I was leaning toward Edwards for awhile, but not solidly convinced. Then Graham announced, then OOPS back out again. Then Clark... my inspiring, wonderful Clark, and it was love at first sight. I flipped a bit on my number two (Edwards/Dean), but never gave my #1 a second guess.

NOW however, I have the displeasure of being one of many recipients of unsavory Clark bashing WHILE HE WAS DROPPING THE FUCK OUT OF THE RACE I DROPPED THOUSANDS INTO AND CLOCKED MORE HOURS THAN I CARE TO COUNT INTO, and so I'm supposed to just say, "oh, well, they sure seem sincere NOW..."

For those Edwards followers that spent their evening telling me that Clark needed to get out of the race so that their guy could have a chance at beating Kerry... I say, if you're guy can't stand out in a crowd of more than two fucking people, that's his problem, not mine.

For those Edwards supporters who bashed Clark while rumors flew about him dropping out, I say, thanks for the compassion and duly noted, you flaming sacks of dung.

For those Edwards supporters who now want us to all make merry to take down Kerry, I say... my memory is more impressive than Sharpton's one-liners, so lay in the bed you've made.

To Edwards himself, I say... you didn't tie for second place in OK. If you can't crunch numbers without a legal secretary doing all your work for you, then maybe you should have had someone with a degree in economics check your page over before posting your little banner.

I feel better every time I do this ;)
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:57 PM
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41. I presume you're talking to me.
and I think that's a mischaracterization of my arguments yesterday.

- I argued yesterday that Kerry would win unless Clark (or, implicitly Edwards) dropped out. I support Edwards, so I wanted it to be Clark. I think that's a legitimate argument to make. I want a debate on the issues, and we weren't going to have it as things were going.

- I probably posted three posts to Clark threads after he dropped out last night, so I can't imagine what you mean by "bashing while he was dropping out."
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funky_bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 06:01 PM
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42. You, among others...
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 06:01 PM by Wife_of_a_Wes_Freak
Don't flatter yourself.

But unlike Edwards, you did stand out in a crowd of more than two people.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 06:11 PM
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43. If you wanted Kerry to win, then, by all means, let's not thin out the...
...crowd.

Clark and Edwards stared each other down, and Clark blinked.

I don't know how you can take that personally.

I'm willing to admit that Edwards dropping out might have made it easier for Clark (except that I feel Edwards is the bettter candidate).

There can only be one winner. All of will be crying someday. But that doesn't mean that we should avoid making the obvious arguments about the candidates.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 06:19 PM
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44. BS! You were never a Clark supporter!
To all you clever enticers: I am not democrat enough for your guy. Thanks for playing. Voting Clark in March.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 06:26 PM
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45. can someone here please correct that false charge?
someone has to have seen the truth of who I've been supporting
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 07:49 PM
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54. Good luck, Bombtrack
:toast:

Can't come along, but I wish you well.

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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 06:30 PM
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46. Bombtrack was a Clark Supporter
We all have to deal with this in our own way, lets not cannabalize each other.

:toast:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 06:46 PM
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47. NEVER.
Kerry or Edwards will NEVER get my vote. Edwards is a fake and I don't trust him. Kerry is a bore and puts me to sleep and neither one can beat Bush. They BOTH voted for the war and the Patriot Act. They will never get my vote. Period. I'm leaving the Democratic party AFTER I vote for Wes Clark in my Illinois Primary.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 06:57 PM
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48. welcome back incognito
Sorry the Memphis thing wasn't a happier event. Are you going to write a post about it?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 07:48 PM
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53. Thanks! I was at the Nashville headquarters.
It was one of the most exciting, meaningful things I've ever done. Yes, I will post about it. It was an amazing experience. :)
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 07:44 PM
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52. My Sentiments Exactly in cog ni to....
I heard Kerry today on NPR and almost fell asleep at the wheel. He is down right Soporific! The only one who could best bush* and the nmedia is Wes and he is now gone.... :(
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 07:14 PM
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50. Hell, No!!!
Edwards is not qualified to be Commander-in-Chief.

Edwards is not qualified to carry Wes Clarks's combat boots!

Edwards supporters are clearly deluded to think that a 1st term Senator, who cannot win a 2nd term in his home state, is qualified to be President.

What has he done for his country? What sacrifice has he ever made?
And I don't want to hear the spiel about his cases. He made lots of money off those cases, & I just bet if there wasn't big money involved he would have had a different line of work.

He is a pretty face, already referred to as The Breck Girl, by conservatives, & has a slick spiel, but as Imus says: he sounds like a car salesman.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 07:30 PM
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51. He gave the disenfranchised a voice by beating back the Helms Machine.
Robert Kennedy would be proud of what he did.

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