James Carville on Imus actually sounds like a Democratic Progressive

[monmouth]

for a change. For the Al Gore lovers, James thinks Gore will run, good news! He's also being kind to the Clintons, says Bill is the most popular man in the "world!!" He said it, I swear. His wife was usually the guest on Imus, he's filling in, no answers to questions re the Libby trial. Says the Repubs will lose in '08. I could actually listen through the entire interview...
Some things do improve with age or perhaps with an agenda. Whatever, he did sound good.

[durrrty libby]

1. Sometimes, I like the guy, but he is clearly mentally ill. It is

the only explanation of his marriage.

[cali]

2. retch. Carville is the most vile of attack dogs.

And why the surprise about him being kind to the Clintons? He works for them.

[monmouth]

3. The last few times I listened to him he seemed, at least to me, to be

putting them down, especially Hillary. Maybe it's me. I'm usually very suspicious of him and his agenda.

[bemildred]

4. His words mean nothing, that ought to be clear by now.

A professional bullshitter.

[PLF]

5. He's a double talking slime bag.

[blm]

14. He's in primary mode and only using Gore to hide behind while he reshapes his

image back to lefty mode........ all for Hillary.

[geiger]

6. There is noone more committed to liberal principles than James Carville.

like him or not, don't mistake passion for a weakness of sorts. If you know his background, about his family and how he grew up, and how he was drawn to the political consulting business, and how he traversed some tough situations, it's difficult to think of him as anything but honest and dedicated, to a fault. James Carville is one of the Party's biggest assets. I suggest detractors do a little reading to learn a little more about him before casting fruitless aspersions (what is this anti-Carville agenda all about anyway? I don't understand the point). Start the book learnin' with "We're Right, They're Wrong," the campaign edition, and don't skip "Stickin,'" a book about the importance of loyalty.

[cali]

18. That's ridiculous.

He is not one of our biggest assets. He's merely an outdated attack dog.

[geiger]

19. and what kind of attack dog are you?

[madfloridian]

34. Our Brand is Crisis....video trailer from the movie.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=385&topic_id=9300

Carville's company in Bolivia. They were also in Venezuela, more on that later.

[geiger]

36. If this is referring to his stint into international politics, I would say he branded appropriately

[madfloridian]

41. Update: Bolivia trying to extradite the fellow Carville's group aided...from our own USA.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/845

[SaveElmer]

7. Uh...he is one...nt

[mtnsnake]

8. Carville, one of our strongest Democratic fighters, always gets a bad rap on DU

If only all our Democrats had the spine this guy has we'd rarely lose an election. I've always loved the way Carville gets right in the faces of Republicans.

[geiger]

9. In a sea of cowards, he is no coward

[zulchzulu]

11. I particularly like how he told his wife what Kerry was going to do on Election night

What a fucking pal he is...

[blm]

13. Except he chose to NOT do that from 2001-2006. He kept quiet about Plame outing

in 2003 through 2004 KNOWING FULL WELL that the WH outed her.

His few weak mentions of it were NEVER an in your face battle as you would expect from someone who HAD the real info for the 16 months before the election.

[geiger]

15. now why on earth would he have a dog in that fight. It's not his problem; it's not a Democrat

problem.

[blm]

16. It was an issue of Bush's credibility when media was touting him as a straightshooter who

was always honest with the American people.

It was an issue because Wilson was being attacked as a liar and a campaign operative working for Kerry. Carville and Grunwald staying quiet with what they both knew while Wilson was smeared in the mainstream media as a liar was unconscionable.

It was also a matter of TREASON that any American with information should have stepped forward.

[geiger]

17. the only thing "treasonous" is what members of the Bush Administration orchestrated

and allowed to happen, perhaps. Even they are innocent until proven guilty.

[blm]

22. And Carville KNEW they were involved and let Wilson get smeared as a liar instead.

Don't even bother pretending Carville had no reason to fight the White House on this - he had his gig on CNN precisely BECAUSE he was supposed to be the voice representing Dems and opposing BushInc on that network.

How did he do?

The entire ClintonTeam was built up with the help of ALL Democrats, but they chose to put themselves in storage and WOULD NOT oppose Bush in any public way from 2001 through 2006.

Us naive Democrats thought that team would be there for the Democratic PARTY and would be opposing Bush and his smears against any Democrats who opposed him.

Even the Clintons publically sided with Bush more on his major military decisions publically than they did with most of the other Democrats opposing Bush's decisions.

[mtnsnake]

25. I guess you won't be interested in joining the James Carville Fan Club?

Am I wrong in assuming that?

[Tellurian]

28. Is there an "ism" for blaming people for things they DIDN'T do?

I'm trying to learn what convoluted thinking is all about and it's applicability to logic.

Or is this dynamic more in the vein of martyr syndrome?

[mtnsnake]

33. Yes, there are two of them

"fanticisim" and "fanaticism"

[Tellurian]

40. mtnsnake...You nailed it...good and proper!

Main Entry:

FANATICISM

Pronunciation: f&-'nat-&-"siz-&m

Function: noun:

fanatic outlook or behavior especially as exhibited by excessive enthusiasm, unreasoning zeal, or wild and extravagant notions on some subject.

And this behavior is exhibited within small enclaves of "fanatics" devoid of their propensity as self defeatists..

gotit!

[madfloridian]

44. Yes, those who refuse to see that Carville and Begala et al

are Hillary's attack dogs out doing their job. Even when I post Carville's own words, you are in denial.

The group you guys appear to represent uses the right wing method of humiliating your opponent, calling them names, not presenting facts.

Facts and sources mean nothing to some here. Just attacking and making fun of.

[geiger]

48. I, for one, am not an anybody supporter at this moment, and, as a matter of fact, I am particularly

inclined to think Hillary's chance has come and gone. I wish there were another woman candidate running, but that possibility seems unrealistic at the moment.

[mtnsnake]

50. Funny you should say that

The group you guys appear to represent uses the right wing method of humiliating your opponent, calling them names, not presenting facts.

You and your minions taught us well (snicker) :smoke:

[madfloridian]

57. Be specific....who are my minions? To whom do you refer.

I think it is getting pretty sad here when folks just make stuff up and it stays.

[mtnsnake]

59. Am I in court or something?

Yikes, a little sensitive today, are we?

:hi:

[madfloridian]

65. You got very personal in your attacks. I am saying prove it.

It is that simple.

[mtnsnake]

67. Well...if that's so, then how about showing me where I got so personal. Thanks!

Jeesh, I can't believe a DU veteran like you would get so sensitive about the word "minion". Anyway, make sure to use quotes to show me these personal attacks of mine.

[mtnsnake]

71. Well, I'm still waiting for you to show me these attacks you imagined

:shrug:

[blm]

51. Typical approach - insult other DUers instead of refuting that Carville covered up for WH

on the Plame case for at least SIXTEEN MONTHS before the election.

Gee - - maybe because his WIFE is also part of that criminal circle of traitors?

Yeah - Carville is the best fighter the Dems have. Until his help would actually MEAN something.

[mtnsnake]

55. Wasn't insulting anyone. Just sharing my dictionatorial wisdom with Tellurian

:shrug:

O8)

[madfloridian]

58. You just said that my "minions" and I....were using humilating tactics.

It is getting to the point of childish here. It is bad.

[mtnsnake]

62. I didn't say any such thing, but you did

You told me, "The group you guys appear to represent uses the right wing method of humiliating your opponent, calling them names, not presenting facts."

I responded with, "You and your minions taught us well (snicker)"

So....WHO was it that said anyone was using "humiliating tactics?" Looks to me like it was you.

[madfloridian]

66. I am going to do what I should have done a long time ago.

.

[mtnsnake]

68. Awww

What drama.

Did you do it yet?

[blm]

49. Why should I? I'm a REAL Dem who would've told the public that the WH was lying

about the outing of Plame especially if I had the microphone AND the proximity to the case that carville had. Wouldn't YOU?

I watched Carville fail to oppose BushInc effectively throughout his 4years as the face and voice of Democrats on CNN along with Paul Begala.

Leaving Wilson undefended while he knew the whole time the WH was lying should have been an unconscionable betrayal to any American, let alone any Democrat.

[geiger]

52. I dont know what he did or didnt know, but I dont understand why you think it was his job to be the

whistleblower.

[blm]

54. Because he was not just a CITIZEN, but a Democrat who was supposed to be representing the Dem voice

on a major news network. His job throughout that time period was to give voice to the Dem OPPOSITION to Bush WH, not cover up for them when he KNEW they were lying.

Any CITIZEN would have been dutybound to reveal what they knew about the Plame outing, but any DEMOCRATIC CITIZEN who knew and chose to stay silent deserves special outrage as the corpmedia was especially fixed throughout that time on presenting Bush as an honest leader to the public before the election.

[mtnsnake]

53. You watched CNN for 4 years just to come up with that conclusion?

blm, you need to shut of the TV and get out more often. :patriot:

[blm]

56. You need to read NSA and stop protecting BushInc and their enablers with frivolity

while attacking citizens who voice their real concerns.

[Tellurian]

74. Three perfect examples of knowing what you don't know, you know!

blm

"I watched Carville fail to oppose BushInc effectively throughout his 4years as the face and voice of Democrats on CNN along with Paul Begala.

Leaving Wilson undefended while he knew the whole time the WH was lying should have been an unconscionable betrayal to any American, let alone any Democrat.

You need to read NSA and stop protecting BushInc and their enablers with frivolity

while attacking citizens who voice their real concerns.

And THEN how did he do once Plame was outed by his wife's little circle of players?

Edited on Tue Feb-27-07 12:59 PM by blm

He couldn't AFFORD to weaken the WH after that, so he kept silent while the WH lied about its involvement and smeared Joe Wilson as the liar for 16 months before the election.

You throw around charges of Carville's dereliction of his duty as a Democrat. When in fact, perhaps, Carville's knowledge of how the law works, is facilitated by his investigational skills behind the scenes.

....Has it ever occurred to you that Carville is not obligated to report his actions and findings to you on or off camera?

....Has it ever occurred to you, Carville does his own investigational work with little fanfare because he's smart enough to recognize, public acknowledgment of his findings when a microphone is thrust in his face could possibly awaken the opposition to his working for the relief of Wilson?

So, all the above I've outlined, you know nothing about. Correct?

Kerry2008, You HATE Carville?

WOW! That is really an unhealthy statement. Isn't it a fact grudges of HATRED make you become the very thing you hate most?

I'll know it's happening if I ever meet you in person and you are newly bald headed...then..

..

[blm]

79. HAHAH...Carville was INVESTIGATING quietly...HAHAHA... and still said NOTHING

for SIXTEEN MONTHS before an election? Yeah right. And I think I also heard that Carville investigated and went to Fitzgerald with the evidence he found and that is why he was the star witness during the Libby trial.


You know - maybe you should descend every now and then and give someone else that seat on the shuttle.

[Name removed]

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[geiger]

91. the more to be pitied, not judged. and we all act out of our convictions,

so maybe just let it drop. It seems that people either love or hate the man, and there's no convincin' back and forth either way.

[blm]

120. Or that some people don't trust anyone who protected Bush White House's LIES

for 16 months before an election.

[blm]

98. You always go for that same line of bull when you're confronted with the actions

or nonactions of those Democrats who protect BushInc.

That displays YOUR agenda. You will attack anyone with personal insults instead of refuting their concerns with the coverup wing of the Democratic party.

[Name removed]

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[mtnsnake]

119. She doesn't "attack anyone with personal insults". She exposes them

That displays YOUR agenda. You will attack anyone with personal insults instead of refuting their concerns with the coverup wing of the Democratic party.

The only ones I've seen with any agenda are the ones who spend every waking minute of their lives running down one of the best Democratic presidents in history, Bill Clinton....and his wife, Hillary, the lady who you just might be calling Madame President in a couple years. Or would you rather call her President Hillary if she gets elected? Hey, maybe once she gets in she can let you look at her books, the ones nobody ever closed on Bush. Ouch!

[Tellurian]

21. Yes, mtnsnake.

you're right about Carville. I'm glad he's back and in full fighting mode.
It's too bad Kerry didn't listen to him when he tried to help him nearing the end of his campaign.

I'm not aware of the particulars. If someone here is, I'd love to know the gossipy details.

[Name removed]

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[geek tragedy]

20. This isn't the Free Republic--wishing death on Democrats is unacceptable. eom

[zulchzulu]

23. I wish you understood just who Carville really is

I don't wish "death" for Carville Le Turncoat...just banishment from any leadership roles in the Democratic Party. He is scum...period.

[geek tragedy]

24. I know what progressives are supposed to be, and it doesn't include

lynching people for political disagreements.

The noose reference was most unfortunate, but I believe that you don't wish death on him.

[zulchzulu]

78. If Carville apologized for selling out the Democratic Party on Election Eve, I'd be happy

But until then...

[western mass]

12. He's 90% bullsh*t.

A good talker and an opportunist, underneath just a lackey of the corporate wing of the democratic party. You can tell alot about a person by the company he keeps: You think a progressive would have anything to do with the kind of scum he's *married* to?

[madfloridian]

26. He was kind to the Clintons? He works for them.

And how did you feel when he asked the chairman to step down right after we won?

Did you think that was really fair?

Did you know he implied the Clintons approved of his attacking Dean in public at least twice?

Did you notice that since that time Dean has been pretty hushed? Carville figured out he could not get Harold Ford in his place, so they gave Harold the chair of the DLC. They effectively put Dean on notice to shut up.

Carville is one of Hillary's close advisors. Read Hillaryland at TNR. Open your eyes.

[AtomicKitten]

70. never happened

And how did you feel when he asked the chairman to step down right after we won?

You have this knack of weaving truth with bullshit to augment your point.

[madfloridian]

27. Here's where Carville says Rahm and the Clintons agree with his Dean attacks.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/838

He has no credibility at all.

And another hit by his buddy Begala

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/894

And his interfering in Bolivian elections with his company, video included. Affecting close elections.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/846

[Tellurian]

29. Good of you to defend Dean, however..

Dean is no shrinking violet. If he was offended he would have said so-

I didn't see anything remotely resembling an abrasive response from Dean to Carville.

If I missed something, please post it.

[madfloridian]

30. No, because he had more class. Carville was proved wrong...

and he just attacked more.

Dean has class, just said it was inside the beltway silliness. Carville smashed an egg on his face on MTP one year.

Saying Carville speaks for most of us is silly.

Read Hillaryland. He speaks for the Clintons.

[AtomicKitten]

72. Love the scene you've set of the Sharks versus the Jets

within the Democratic Party, but elevating the natural course of jostling with pointed elbows in a crowded room is grossly exaggerated on your part.

Why some of you get so emotionally enmeshed in this crap boggles the mind.

[zulchzulu]

31. Questions Imus is too much of a pussy to ask Carville Le Turncoat

If Imus had any gonads, he would have asked Carville a couple questions and it would have probably sounded like this:

Imus: So Jimmy, I read a little bit of that book by Bob Woodward called "State Of Denial". Have you read it?

Carville: Um...nah...um.. can we...can we...um...talk about the 2008 race...c'mon, Imus...you said you wouldn't...

Imus: C'mon Jimmy. OK, how's your wife?

Carville: She's...she's fine... what's your point?

Imus: OK...back to the book... I flip over here to page 343 and lo and behold, you're in there! Wow! In an Woodward book. That must be an honor.

Carville: Listen...I'm gwoin' ta leave unless we get back ta talkin' about the 2008 election and how Hillary...

Imus: (interrupts) OK Jimmy, just one question ol' compadre. Is it true that you tipped off yer old lady about how Kerry was going to contest the Ohio race with the 250,000 provisional ballots and possibly demand a recount of the Ohio vote...

Carville: I cain't answer that, Imus. What I share with my wife is my own bidness...

Imus: (interrupts) So did you tip off your wife who then tipped off the Bush-Cheney team who then tipped off that black fella in Ohio...um...

Carville: J. Kenneth Blackwell, the Republican Secretary of State in Ohio at the time...

Imus: So you know him?

Carville: Me and the wife knows him real nice...real fella...

Imus: So you tipped off the opposing team what your team you're supposed to be on was going to do...on Election Night?

Carville: That's all under the bridge now. We gots ta talk about 2008. Whad is dis...2006? I'm outta here man...

Carville leaves set before interview ends...

Imus: So it does look like Carville is a rat bastard traitor to his party. When we come back after the commercial, I'll call Hillary Clinton's office and ask them if they know about this story...


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

It'll never happen unless we do something about it.

[Tellurian]

43. zulchzulu.. Is there a video forthcoming of the Imus interview w/Carville? nm

[zulchzulu]

75. Yep. You bet...

I'll do one South Park style.

[Tellurian]

76. You should be in Hollywood writing a screenplay for Chainsaw Massacre pt IV..then

[mtnsnake]

46. Now now zulchie

You know we're not supposed to say such things as pussy unless you're referring to a small feline mammal with claws because it might upset our local DU feminist contingent who think you're being sexist with such a remark. :evilgrin:

[madfloridian]

32. Carville implicates Rahm and the Clintons in his Dean attack.

http://men.style.com/gq/features/full?id=content_5251&pageNum=1

"Flush with victory after the election, Rahm’s allies, led by Carville, try to mount a coup at the DNC by publicly attacking Dean and suggesting he be replaced by Harold Ford, a Tennessee moderate who just lost a Senate race. “You can’t go into 2008 having a party chairman that is completely disconnected from the congressional leadership and the campaign committees,” Carville tells me, further pounding the wedge that divides the Deaniacs and the Clintonites. When I ask if Rahm agrees, Carville says, “It’s not any secret that Rahm has expressed disdain for Dean and not very secret that Rahm and I are close. It doesn’t take a lot of dot-connecting here.”

What about the Clintons, who, given Hillary’s presidential ambitions, have more cause for concern about who runs the DNC in 2008? “Let’s just say nobody has called me telling me this is a bad idea. Sometimes silence is eloquence.” Not only did Carville’s coup fail but it arguably strengthened Dean, who, speaking before his state-party allies, mocked the attempt as a desperate attack from the “old Democratic Party.” Cutting his losses, Rahm quickly leaked word to the press that he and Dean had negotiated a truce."

[mtnsnake]

35. men.style.com-that's the same site that had that article on men who pee sitting down

I guess it was in their December issue, according to someone who posts on their forums.

From menstyle.com

I agree with all of y'all who said it's okay to pee to sitting down, because it is. I usually always pee sitting down while at home and pee standing up in public. I don't know why.

More at http://forums.men.style.com/thread.jspa?threadID=27317&tstart=0

That's quite the source ya got there, MF. lol

[zulchzulu]

38. OK... since that link doesn't impress you...

http://www.washingtonian.com/blogarticles/mediapolitics/capitalcomment/3398.html

[madfloridian]

39. The author of the article was Ryan Lizza also of TNR. I don't play "gotcha" games.

They are so totally childish.

[zulchzulu]

37. Carville seems like the kind of guy who would turn over the table when he got checkmated

I used to like Carville...not anymore...

[Tellurian]

45. zulu...it's inappropriate to project your actions onto someone else..

unless you've personaly seen Carville turn over a table when checkmated before.

Carville's persona doesn't include violence unless he feels his life is threatened.
Carville would take being checkmated as a lesson learned, never to repeat the same mistake again.

[blm]

73. So what lesson did he learn when he betrayed his country and party by staying silent

about the lies he knew were coming out of the WH about their role in the Plame outing and their plans to smear Wilson?

[AtomicKitten]

80. Do you have any idea how outrageous your accusations are?

Your inappropriate incessant blaming is bordering on pathologic.

[blm]

81. If you know that Carville DID tell American people that WH was lying about Plame outing

then tell us about it. Do you know if he went to Fitzgerald with what he knew?

[AtomicKitten]

82. Who appointed you Grand Inquisitor?

Jesus, step back a bit and get a grip.

Nobody had to tell the American people the WH was lying about anything; we already knew because their lips were moving.

[blm]

83. Not at that time - not when most media was touting Bush's honesty back then.

.

[geiger]

85. good point. true, very true. that's the real bottom line. what's the big surprise here, I wonder

[geiger]

84. did you see post 33; it's the only explanation

At least Reagan had an 11th commandment, thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican. How can such self-described loyalists throw this type of mud at a fellow Democrat. I find it disturbing, and a bit worrisome, albeit if there is one person in the world I could have lunch with, it would be James Carville. I'd pick his brain good.

[blm]

99. Is it mud or the truth? How can any loyal Democrat withhold SERIOUS INFORMATION about Bush WH

for 16 months before an election?

And it wasn't just Carville - Mandy Grunwald is married to Matt Cooper and she also knew the WH was lying about their involvement.

How does anyone call themself a loyal Democrat and protect Bush and Rove at the same time?

[zulchzulu]

77. So Carville Le Turncoat's lesson for ratting out and telling his wife...

...the Democratic Party's presidential strategy on Election Night would be... um... whuh?

I know...he HAS to work on the Senator Clinton campaign. That should be enough punishment. Smelling McAuliffe's fat ass would be enough torure for anyone.

:sarcasm:

[wisteria]

42. Don't be fooled. He is nothing but self promoting. n/t

[oasis]

47. Carville promoted "Mediawhoresonline.com" during his "Crossfire" days. The "Horse"

links led me to DU. I am eternally grateful to Carville for that.

[blm]

60. And THEN how did he do once Plame was outed by his wife's little circle of players?

He couldn't AFFORD to weaken the WH after that, so he kept silent while the WH lied about its involvement and smeared Joe Wilson as the liar for 16 months before the election.

[geiger]

61. so, is basically what you are saying, is that James Carville himself was part of a vast right-wing

conspiracy?

[blm]

64. The testimony of Matalin's involvement is now part of the record. Let's all pretend

that Carville never heard a word about the outing of Plame or the plan of attack against Wilson, and let's pretend he didn't NOTICE that the WH was lying about their involvement.

Oh yeah, that's how a real Citizen Democrat should act in this country...none of this asking hard questions that need answers stuff.

[madfloridian]

69. All I remember from Crossfire is their daily attacks on Dean.

They never stopped. At least once a day they said he was crazy...Carville and Begala were the worst. Once they had a picture of Dean and Gore...said it was the doctor and the zombie.

Carville once said Dean had a poltitical lobotomy.

[PresidentObama]

63. I HATE Carville. But I hope he's right about Gore n/t

[Madspirit]

86. Carville

Carville has been known to be cool. He just has to live a schizophrenic life what with the nazi wife and all. It must be hard.
Lee

[Tellurian]

87. Matalin looks like she's prone to ticks and twitches..

a little too much Johnny Walker Red/Jack Daniels, methinks..

[Madspirit]

89. They were here

I live in Austin. A few years back Carville and nazi wife came to speak at San Marcos, (a small town about 30 miles south of Austin), law school. It was televised on a local station. It was just pathetic. It was stunning. They did a point, counter point type thing...and I could not believe it, even for show, he would allow himself to be spoken to that way by someone who supposedly loves him. I am a lesbian and a feminist and I still have to say...he was p. whipped. I don't like d. whipped or p. whipped. I like lovers to talk to each other, even in disagreements, like they love each other. He was totally respectful, even when disagreeing with her. She was a total bitch. She would say things like, (my own words), "I tell the kids if they want to learn NOTHING to talk to their empty-headed father." ...and that was one of the nicer things. He just took it and kind of half laughed. She basically called him an idiot and empty-headed, without substance, etc. I swear they must have some kind of S&M thingie going with her as Dominatrix From the Hell Dimension. I was stunned at the way she spoke to him and that he allowed it.
Lee

[geiger]

90. well, that's not good news

do you think she suffers from some time of disorder that he feels sorry for her? I agree, that type of abuse is unacceptable, and their daughters are going to watch this crap someday, too.

[Tellurian]

92. They were at the Convention Center in Providence..

in 99'..Some of the similar antics, you mention, I remember. I sat with one of their aides throughout their appearance. At the time, I don't remember Matalin being so caustic or maybe she did but it didn't register that way. In fact, ims, it was obvious it was their shtick to play up their political differences as part of the "show"..With Mary's abrasive remarks referring to demos and James, I never took it as anything more than showmanship and entertainment for the benefit of the audience.

Now, that I'm recalling those memories, I remember thinking, Mary is just pretending to be mean to Carville.
She really does care for him.

[Madspirit]

93. Seemed mean to me...

...and even what you said shows it was one way. He didn't do it back.
Lee

[Tellurian]

94. Carville is an old school NOLA gentleman..

and you have to be pretty secure in your own right to allow someone that close to you (pretending) to be the boss. I imagine, Mary has plenty to say and for the most part they are able to make their inhouse decisions in a :rofl: bipartisan way!

I also was a fan of their short lived "K Street" reality tv series. In hindsight, I think it was difficult for them to be themselves surrounded by actors role playing fictitious politicos and staff members. I may be wrong, but that was my take on it at the time.

[Madspirit]

96. I hope you're right

...because they have children and I wouldn't want my imaginary kids to see me fight that way with my intimate other unless they somehow KNEW it was a joke.
Lee

[Tellurian]

97. I've been accused of being an optimist..

I always give everyone the benefit of the doubt, until they prove themselves otherwise in my eyes; Or an affidavit of some sort stating my impressions were wrong to the contrary. It saves alot of time and angst worrying about a bogeyman that never existed.

[Madspirit]

112. You sound like my girlfriend...

I swear the woman would give Henry Lee Lucas a second chance and she hates it when I say that...<g> She always sees the good and the positive. She balances me out and keeps me sane-ish.
Lee

[Tellurian]

114. I have no idea who Henry Lee Lucas is..

never heard of the fella...Is he related to George Lucas of Star War's Fame?

[Madspirit]

115. serial killer

He's a famous serial killer...<g> Melanie just believes a lot in the Good of All...was my point.

She would actually try to sit down with George Bush and reason with him. After a point, she gets fed up but she really really believes anyone can be "reached". It's odd, to me.
Lee

[Tellurian]

116. You can reason with people capable of being reasoned with..

Sane-ish and secure people are becoming an endangered species these days.
Might be the another byproduct of global warming. Who knows-
I'm not going to discount any of the possible causes just yet..

[madfloridian]

101. Mary is Cheney's aide and close advisor.

That does not seem to bother you, that her husband is calling for the DNC chair to step down, accusing him of incompetence.

[Tellurian]

102. Nope, you REAL Democrats don't get out much do ya?

Ever watch the movies "Godfather I + II?"

It really works!

[madfloridian]

104. So you agree Carville, Clinton's advisor, should ask Dean to step down?

Is that what you are saying?

[Tellurian]

106. Your devisivness won't work here.. Sorry to disappoint..

Dr.Dean is more worldly than you are.

He is also an intelligent man.

Whatever Dr. Dean decides to do is fine with me.

I hope you won't be disappointed if he remains with the DNC..

Or will you?

[madfloridian]

111. Little old non worldly me. I have no world view.

I could tell you so much about my family. My worldview...my family members honored in DC and UK. But why bother, I would rather be the hick you guys seem to think I am.

Low expectations and all that.

[blm]

109. It doesn't bother them. They believe in the power of secrecy and privilege

and will stick by it, and believe we are just naive for caring about corruption, honest government and that quaint idea that Democrats should respect citizens with the truth.

[AtomicKitten]

113. don't flatter yourself

The thrust of your allegations, as always, is rife with strawmen created for the sole purpose of burning down, with no regard to truth or reality. It takes a certain amount of delusional chutzpah to so carelessly and thoughtlessly cast the aspersions that you do against political figures as well as other DU'ers, of note your targets always Democrats. I wonder if you imagine your world would implode if you didn't create something to rage against; what boggles the mind is that there is so much genuine material out there.

[k_jerome]

95. he is. nt.

[madfloridian]

103. Very classy....breaking egg on face, putting trash can on head. Pictures.

Classy man. Classy when doing these things. Classy when attacking good Democrats like Dean...true class.

Egg on face on MTP


Egg dripping from face.


Trash can on head.

[Tellurian]

105. No one is laughing NOW are they..

The Balance of Power has changed..

[madfloridian]

107. And he wanted to fire the chairman because we won. Makes so much sense.

I can not believe how people here demand we not question anything or anyone who works for the Clintons. If we do you make fun of us.

[geiger]

108. Personally, I think Dean is perfectly capable of taking care of himself

Plus, he learns from his mistakes, and he is always improving his work, his style, his techniques.

[madfloridian]

110. How do you feel about Harold Ford replacing Dean in 08?

Which was the message being sent. That was what Carville was doing.

When the Clintons get power in 08...he goes.

[geiger]

117. I think Harold Ford needs to try again where he's at

In the end, what happened to him also happened to Mary Jo Kilroy in Ohio, who ran against Debra Pryce. The Republicans pulled out all the stops, ran non-stop television ads and raised doubts and fears about their character and reputations. He needs to stay on the home front.

[madfloridian]

118. Where's he is at is the chairman of the DLC.

.
www.ndol.org

[Hippo_Tron]

121. The President appoints the DNC Chair, if Hillary is elected and wants Ford it's up to her

Personally I think it would be a dumb mistake considering the progress that Dr. Dean has made. But it will be up to her if she manages to get elected.

[madfloridian]

122. Why do you think Carville was sent out to slap Dean?

Of course it was about Hillary. Carville implied they were involved. And Rahm as well.

Of course if Dean cared enough, there might be a battle because technically the 447 members of the DNC are supposed to elect the chair,

They have hushed him so much I don't know how I feel about that.

[Hippo_Tron]

123. No, as said above, I think Dean can take care of himself

Remember, Dean is a reformer and reformers are never welcomed with open arms by the establishment. The establishment will adjust over time.

[Tellurian]

124. I agree..

Dr. Dean's experience with people will serve him well in the long run.
I believe they will adjust and come to some compromise in the end all.

[madfloridian]

125. You two seem to be excusing Carville's role in doing this publicly.

That's too bad.

It is the mindset of the party.

Dean is a party player now, he will do what is best for the party.

I find that kind of sad. I think I will do what is best for my country from now on.

After seeing Patrick Murphy say tonight on Countdown that we can only pray for the troops...I will have serious questions come 08.

Dean will be a player for the party. I hoped he would be for the country's best, but I am wondering now.

I don't think I can support Hillary with Carville, Begala, and Penn working for her. My personal view. Also what I see here at DU of the mindset of Clinton or the highway, of people accusing me and others of not having world views, not being smart.

It has turned me against her. I hope Dean survives to fight another day.

[Tellurian]

127. I watched The Bob Woodward Story..

He is the journalist who was seriously hurt while doing a story in Iraq.
Woodward was hit by shrapnel to the brain resulting in an almost fatal head wound.
His year long recovery was miraculous leaving him hardly scathed from his injurys.

Since his recovery he's been interviewing various DOD Heads..One of them
said there are over 200,000 soldiers wounded that the DOD refuses to publicly acknowledge.
The statistics he quoted were from the VA stating they are ill equipped to handle the
catastrophic injuries sustained by our returning troops and the cost is in the billions.

Another scandal in the making.

nice huh?

[rhett o rick]

126. Give me a break. He is a tool for the neocon democrats. nm