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littlejoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:49 PM
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Richardson, Bayh, Edwards or? Who do you like for V.P.?
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 02:57 PM by littlejoe
All three have a certain appeal, but I like Richardson. He has valuable experience, and would help with the hispanic vote. Also, he and Kerry are compatible on their love of the environment. What is your choice and why?
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Arbustosux Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:52 PM
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1. I like Richardson too
And don't forget, when Bush needed a special envoy to N. Korea, who did he choose? It would be difficult for Bush to criticize the man during an election when he chose him in time of need.

It would also put to bed that silly Republican claim that Dems are anti-hispanic just because we refused to let Miquel Estrada sit on the Court of Appeals.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:52 PM
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2. Baye ?
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 02:52 PM by hippiechick
:shrug: Who is Baye ?
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BL_Zebub Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:54 PM
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4. Probably means Bayh. As in Evan Bayh
Another worthless DLC/PNAC pawn.
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littlejoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:56 PM
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6. I'm glad you think so highly of him, and thanks for the spelling lesson.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:05 PM
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18. Bayh would be great
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 03:06 PM by Rowdyboy
A solid choice, though not a particularly good speaker. Richardson, Graham, Edwards, Clark and Gen Claudia Kennedy are all solid choices though. There's a strong field available.

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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:54 PM
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28. I have to disagree
Bayh is my senator and was my governor. He wouldn't bring much to the race. The state loves him - but they love Bush more. At the top of the federal ticket we haven't voted for a democrat since LBJ. He would not bring Indiana (and we don't bring that many votes to begin with.)

He has also moved significantly past the center (towards bush) since Bush was elected. On some issues, more than he needs to in order to keep his support in the state.

After the Kay report he did the news media rounds - and claimed essentially that Kay was wrong and the weapons were there.

He was part of the trio that appeared with Bush at the Rose Garden in a speech that was designed to (and succeeded in) end all ongoing negotiations on amendments to the IWR - bipartisan efforts that had participation of three prominent republicans (Lugar, Hagel and Spector) and would have put a few more restrictions upon the free latitude given to the president. He didn't bat an eye when he participated in this event that sabatoged fellow democrats work. It would have been one thing to vote his conscience on the war ... but he worked directly to give an assist to the WH at the expense of his fellow democratic senators. Again to prove that he did not HAVE to do this to get support in Indiana - our other senator is Lugar - who was working on those resolutions.

He simply does not have the instincts to 'fight' when needed - whoever is elected is going to have even more resistance than Clinton had - and better be prepared to play the role of power armtwister, a role that Bayh is wont to take on. I don't think he is suited for this aspect of the job.

I think there are many other available democrats who bring much more to the table.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:45 PM
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23. I detest Bayh. He's my senator.
But The Carlyle Group likes him enough to give him campaign money.

Richard Lugar has been a more effective Senator against Bush than Bayh has. At least Lugar, with the Lugar-Biden thing, tried to delay the Iraq war until someone could, so, I dunno, maybe vet the intelligence or expose some of the lying bullshit.

Bayh was one of the yes-men who made sure he cuddled up to Bush for a photo op on the White House lawn when they all voted and shelved the Biden-Lugar, or whichever way it was labeled.

He's a suck up to power.

Of those you mention, Edwards could bring in some southern votes, maybe. He's a good speaker.

I really, really don't want to continue the status quo in Washington, though, and if Kerry were to chose Bayh, it would be about the most disallusioning thing he could do, for me.

I'll wait to see how Kerry actually governs as a prez.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:42 PM
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33. ANOTHER Indiana senator on a presidential ticket?
Just say no.

As a midwesterner, I just don't think we look at things as regionally as other parts of the nation. We're not as tight-knit as Southerners, and we don't have a common cultural link like New Englanders. Basically, we talk with flat American accents, and we're interested in things like jobs, and our personal finances.

It's just not necessary to choose a running mate from a battleground state like Ohio, Michigan, or Pennsylvania. It's the MESSAGE, stupid. Midwesterners, I think, would be far more interested in John Edwards' message of "Two Americas" than they would ever be interested that Bayh comes from Indiana. And what exactly does he stand for, anyway?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 06:29 PM
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36. Bayh is anti-choice!
As Governor he supported and signed a law requiring women seeking abortion to see pictures of aborted fetuses as part of "counseling."

As Senator, Bayh voted to restrict abortion rights.

Bayh is the Hoosier Zell Miller.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:54 PM
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5. Evan Bayh
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 02:55 PM by crozet4clark
is the son of the great Birch Bayh from Indiana. My mom told me that :)
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blackcat77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:06 PM
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19. Birch was a great man and a great senator
Evan is worthless. They should do genetic tests because there's no way he's Birch's son... :)
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:53 PM
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3. Mark Warner, Gov. of Virginny
I like Richardson too.
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Piltdown13 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:56 PM
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7. Richardson would be good
But I get the impression that he's sort of being groomed to move up in the party at a later date; I know he was in Congress and an ambassador, but he's only on his first term as Governor. Not sure enough people know who he is yet...although his speech at the convention will help with that!
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:57 PM
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8. Kerry/Clark = winning ticket . . . n/t
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SangamonTaylor Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:02 PM
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12. too much bad blood
Clark may have soured his shot at VP given his recent attacks on Kerry/Edwards.
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:01 PM
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9. Draft Sen. Byrd of W.V. for V.P.
Hell give them hell!
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adadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:01 PM
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10. Max Cleland n/t
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:01 PM
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11. I think he will need a Governor who can Deliver a state.
Warner actually is not a bad choice electorally if it puts VA in play.
Richardson would be a terifice choice. COuld lock up AZ and NM which is worth more than VA.

Bayh would be a good choice politically.

Max Cleland...who is on no ones radar would be a very interesting choice as well...but I am not sure if the wheels are a big hinderance. I kind of wonder what the Vietnam Vet s would do with two vets on the ticket vs. Bush Cheney.

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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:03 PM
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14. cheryl27
I was thinking the same thing. WOuld it put GA in play?
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littlejoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:04 PM
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15. Hmmmm, very interesting, indeed.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:56 PM
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29. Senator Graham give you both
elected multiple times as Governor in Florida. Elected multiple times as Senator from Florida. Very capable. Very well respected.
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edzontar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:03 PM
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13. All three are conservative--Edwards less so,,,
Bayh is the most conservative Dem in the Senate other than Zell, and a frequent Bushco ally.


Richardson is also pure DLC, pro-Iraq war, and not to my liking, but then Kerry really isn;t either.
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:04 PM
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16. Clark!
I really think he's be great on the ticket
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blackcat77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:05 PM
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17. NOT Bayh!
He's a DINO of the highest order. I'm from Indiana and Dick Lugar, who is a Republican, has stood up to Bush on many more occasions than Bayh has.
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cbua34 Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:07 PM
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20. Edwards/Kerry...
is a great ticket. Kerry would make a good VP.
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jmoss Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:27 PM
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22. yes..
We need JRE on the top, no matter who is #2 :-)
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jmoss Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:26 PM
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21. Before you jump to conclusions...
..you're ALL missing the big picture. John Edwards is the one candidate who has been so successful because his campaign has been able to pull independents out to the polls. He jumped from 2% to 15% in NH b/c of this. He jumped from 12% to 30% in Missori because of this.

Look everyone: It's great for unity among hard-core Dem's that folks are falling in line behind Kerry. But last time I checked, Al Gore carried virtually NO States among NC, SC, FL, and the ENTIRE mid-west. We need a fresh, positive voice as our candidate. Face it, he's much sharper & presidential "looking" than JK. Petty, though it is, that's how many people (I've spoken to them in many States) decide to vote.

Now I'm not by any means suggesting that the well-informed folks who frequent DU are shallow like this, but we need to stand behind someone, John Edwards specifically, who will be able to bring undecideds, repub's, and simply MORE democrats from around our heartland, OUT TO THE POLLS for us. If they're the slightest bit opposed to GW, or are hard-core ABB, they'll have very little qualms about supporting Edwards for President.

I have been volunteering for his campaign when I'm not in the classroom teaching my 5th/6th graders, and THIS is the message I've gotten.

Much of the Kerry phenomenon is media hype+plus+people not wanting their vote to go for not, by pulling the lever for someone else.

We need Edwards. we need to win States that Gore couldn't win--NOT just focus on the hoop-la of how well JK has done in States where DEM's already have the edge.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:46 PM
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24. Kucinich or Edwards. I wouldn't vote for Bayh for dogcatcher.
He's too far to the right - like Dean.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:48 PM
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25. Why no liberals among your selections?
All 3 are of the tepid wing of the party.
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littlejoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:53 PM
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27. Pragmatism, pure and simple.
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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:48 PM
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26. Cleland or Clark
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littlejoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:00 PM
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30. Clark holds little or no political appeal now.
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:07 PM
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35. What a dumb conclusion!
I mean, in a world where I hear Gephardt is a top pick to be Kerry's VP, I have a lot of trouble believing Clark is politically unappealing now.
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Devil Dog Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:38 PM
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32. NOT Bayh!
With "Dems" like him, who needs republicans?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:45 PM
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34. No one
that doesn't have a problem with current foreign policy or the Iraq reasons for war.
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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 06:31 PM
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37. Clark
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