Has anyone personally talked to a pro-Mrs. Clinton fan firsthand?

[zulchzulu]

This is not a flame. Please don't play that game.

All I ask is for people here to tell me if they have actually talked to someone firsthand who wants Hillary Rodham Clinton as the nominee over any of the other candidates. Tell what they have said and why they like her.

I personally have found no one who wants her to be the nominee. This assessment is from a fairly wide poltical audience of people that range from "pretty far left" to "moderate" and even "conservative". Quite a few would be categorized as "feminists" and work during election cycles for women's reproductive rights. The geographic range of people I am referring to are from the East (mid-Atlantic region), the South, the West coast and portions of the Midwest.

The reason for this post is because I was talking to someone this morning who was for Edwards wholeheartedly in 2004 who now finds Obama to be the one for her. Most women I know prefer him as well. She told me that she knows no one who backs Hillary. This is not unusual in my experience.

This is not a time to trash Mrs. Clinton; just a chance for people to say what they have found with their choices for President so far.

Don't respond if you want to flame Mrs. Clinton or me...find another thread or start your own. If you have an example, tell something about them in terms of age, geographic region and even who they backed in 2004.

Just saying "I know many" isn't particularly valuable and frankly, sends a message that there isn't much to back up the statement. Also, trashing other candidates or their supporters is not what this thread is meant to be about either.

(On edit: tweaked some of last paragraph)

[wyldwolf]

1. yes. Many

But the only pro-Kucinich person I ever met wore a tie-dyed shirt and cut off jeans to Democratic function. He was there representing the Kucinich campaign.

[Lerkfish]

11. I'm trying to figure out the reason for this post.

?

[PresidentObama]

23. To be rude. As usual.

[wyldwolf]

44. what's rude about the truth?

[PresidentObama]

52. Whats the point in pointing out what he wears?

I remember in 2004, I'd come into the phone room at 9 A.M. to start making calls for Kerry/Edwards and we'd have people supporting Kerry in business suits, in their pajamas, in T-shirts and pants, and in 'hippie wear'

Pointing out what they're wearing was meant to be rude, that was rude. You know it, I know it. And you were trying to take shots at Dennis Kucinich and his supporters. Can't we do better then this on DU? I suppose not...

[Lerkfish]

59. reply #54 admits his intent is to discredit other candidates in retaliation

of what he felt the OP was doing.

by looking at the OP and comparing it to wldwolf's other posts, I don't see them as attempting to do the same thing.

[wyldwolf]

62. just as your post admits the OP's intent was to discredit Clinton

[PresidentObama]

And whats the point of.....

.....trying to discredit DK by taking one supporter of his appearance and trying to get some sort of leg up? Why is that any different?

[wyldwolf]

70. Why do you think it is OK to discredit Clinton but not Kucinich?

I don't see you questioning the OP's obvious motives.

[PresidentObama]

73. Read and respond to #78

The original poster isn't pro-Clinton, but the thread isn't pro-Clinton or anti-Clinton. It's fair, and doesn't discredit Clinton a bit.

[Lerkfish]

67. um, no. You're seeing what you want to see. I said the exact opposite.

I said I thought YOU perceived it as such, and did so mistakenly.

[wyldwolf]

71. uh, no. You're trying to have it both ways.

[Lerkfish]

79. how so?

I don't see that at all. Can you explain that for me?

I'm not the OP, btw, in case you're confused.

[wyldwolf]

108. I wouldn't retaliate against something that was not an offense.

... by stating I was retaliating, your admission was that there was an offense, namely, another attack post on Clinton.

[Lerkfish]

110. um, no, I was responding to your comment "good for the goose"

the first inference of retaliation was yours.

I'm guessing you were never on the debate team.

[wyldwolf]

111. doesn't change the meaning of my reply. Retaliations aren't needed when no offenses are committed.

...

[Lerkfish]

115. exactly. "aren't needed".

which is what we're all trying to communicate to you: your "retaliation" wasn't needed.

[Lerkfish]

103. I'll try again: how so? what exactly am I trying to have both ways?

[Tellurian]

139. Exactly, but we weren't invited to the phone room..

wrong response. You could have mitigated Wyldwolf's post with just a smile or an OK..ha!
He loves to clown!

Don't you realize that?

[Tellurian]

138. More than that-

nothings WRONG with the Truth.. -(zilch)-

But perception is everything..

if anything a responsive smile would have been appropriate..

Umbrage has no place with cut offs and a tie dyed tee shirt, I say..

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[wyldwolf]

43. the same reason for the OP - sort of

The OP's point is the polls are wrong and Hillary's lead is manufactured. My point is that I know far more Hillary supporters than supporters of any other candidate - even ones supposedly more "progressive?"

[Lerkfish]

49. but you felt the need to characterize a kucinich supporter

in a certain, oddly specific way concerning their appearance, which was gratuitious and unnecessary, and certainly not relevant to the question.

why?

[wyldwolf]

50. I was completely honest about the Kucinich supporter

..and I could have been even more honest about him. But I will lay some truth on you now: Supporters like THAT do far more to hurt a candidate than help him.

[Lerkfish]

53. your honesty was not questioned: your motive and intent were.

and actually, whether your characterization was necessary or germaine.

since you used terms like "supporters like THAT", I am wondering if you meant the description as a perjorative or derogatory one, in which case, again, I am asking why you felt that necessary or relevant.

[wyldwolf]

56. again...

The OP's goal is clear: To discredit Clinton's support. Good for the goose?

[Lerkfish]

58. 1. as far as I can tell, the OP never mentions kucinich, 2. the OP specifically

says:

"Also, trashing other candidates or their supporters is not what this thread is meant to be about either."


what goose are you gandering at, here?

[rinsd]

61. Well...

"Also, trashing other candidates or their supporters is not what this thread is meant to be about either"

Of course its not. This is about trashing Hillary Clinton. The point of the OP is that Clinton's lead is a media fabrication, that dozens of polls are wrong etc. basically whatever can be used to delegitamize her current standing. It seems this has backfired since many have stated they know Hillary fans.

[Lerkfish]

78. I didn't see that in the OP, myself. I saw it specifically say it WASN"T trashing

Clinton. What I read was a personal anecdotal observation and a request for similar anecdotal observations from others. If you'll look in the thread, there are plenty of those who experience positive or negative impressions from people they know.

I also point out elsewhere in the thread that I personally think these anecdotal observations are flawed on either side, due to people generally associating with people of roughly like mind.

[wyldwolf]

64. Great! From now on, I'll insulate myself with a lame disclaimer

[PresidentObama]

72. Heres what I see in this thread.

The OP is clearly not pro-Hillary. We all know that, and it's commonly known by their posts here at DemocraticUnderground. With that said, this thread was fair. It doesn't discredit Clinton as you say, it merely gives proof to the claims that Hillary has major support around the country. We've all heard the claims "In my area, Hillary is seen as ____" and this shows how DU in a whole views others opinions on the matter.

It wasn't unfair, and you lashed out and went after DK for no apparent reason making fun of his supporters appearance. Why? No real logical reasoning.

This reminds me of that thread I started when I got tired of the bitching back and forth with Kerry supporters and others about whether the Clintons tried to prevent Kerry from winning in 04'. I was pro-Kerry, and pro-Clinton and frankily was tired of it. So I launched an honest thread, and instead got accused of being anti-Clinton.

It makes no sense. How is this thread unfair? If you are going to open your mouth, put your money where your mouth is. Please!!

I personally like Hillary Clinton, and the Clintons. Not a big fan of their team, but hey. To each his/her own. I'm not anti-Clinton, and I see nothing wrong with the original post. It was fair!!

As the OP said "I would imagine that supporters of Senator Clinton (as their primary candidate) might find this valuable as well."

[wyldwolf]

74. here's what I see in your post.

this thread was fair. It doesn't discredit Clinton as you say, it merely gives proof to the claims that Hillary has major support around the country. We've all heard the claims "In my area, Hillary is seen as ____" and this shows how DU in a whole views others opinions on the matter.

Well, there really is no such thing as an unfair post. Even when the motives are obvious (as they with the OP) the post is "fair." But the motives are obvious. The OP wants to deny the reality of Clinton's lead - going to the ridiculous length of posting the post and expecting his perception (or wishful thinking) would be proven true.

you lashed out and went after DK for no apparent reason making fun of his supporters appearance. Why? No real logical reasoning.

Tell me. You admit the OP is anti-Clinton. It is obvious to others in the thread he had an agenda. So why is criticizing another candidate off limits? The meme against Clinton by you anti-Clinton types is she's "corporate." The meme against "progressives" are they're clueless and out of touch with the electorate.

As the OP said "I would imagine that supporters of Senator Clinton (as their primary candidate) might find this valuable as well."

Hmm...maybe I should have said after my post about the Kucinich supporter that "maybe Kucinich supporters might learn a valuable lesson." Then it would have been ok!

[PresidentObama]

77. Tisk tisk, geez....

The original poster doesn't support Clinton. So what? Does that mean if he launches a thread basically asking DU if they know anyone whose pro-Clinton, THATS UNFAIR?!? No it's not. We've all heard the claims on both sides "I know such and such who likes Hillary" and vice versa. And so far, the responses have been fairly good for Mrs. Clinton.

And that gives you NO right to launch a thoughtless non-issue attack on DK and his supporters. If the best you can do is attack his supporters dress, why post? Don't stick up your nose at anyone, buddy.

"The meme against Clinton by you anti-Clinton types"

EXCUSE ME? I'm not anti-Clinton. I'm pro-Clinton, pro-Kerry, pro-Democratic, and pro-logic. Thank you, very much!!

[wyldwolf]

81. See, I haven't said it was unfair.

What is UNFAIR is not expecting to be called on it and whining when a "progressive" hero is spoken of in less than glowing terms.

[PresidentObama]

84. Whats unfair is you just called me anti-Clinton above.

Baseless, and untrue :eyes:

Whats unfair is painting an image of the DK supporters based off ONE person image.

Whats unfair is posting about how since the OP doesn't like Hillary, he can't create a fair thread about whether people knew anyone who liked her or not.

:banghead:

[wyldwolf]

86. well, maybe you've finally found something legitimate to complain about

...if you truly are NOT anti-Clinton.

Whats unfair is painting an image of the DK supporters based off ONE person image.

Trust me. The image I have of DK supporters isn't based off of ONE image. I just gave ONE example.

Whats unfair is posting about how since the OP doesn't like Hillary, he can't create a fair thread about whether people knew anyone who liked her or not.

Again, where have I said the post isn't fair?

[PresidentObama]

87. I didn't say you said the post wasn't fair.

But you've bitched and moaned because the original poster is anti-Hillary when that has NOTHING to do with the original post. The original post could very well have been a question posed by Hillary supporters, and you wouldn't say a word. We ALL know the original poster isn't in favor of Hillary being the nominee, I hope they would vote for her if she gets the nomination as I would, but being against someone doesn't disqualify you from making threads leaving the door open for others opinions without implying people should support or beat up a certain candidate.

I find it really disrespectful that you would even imply I'm anti-Clinton because Hillary isn't my first choice, and I've questioned whether she'd be the nominee in the past. It's totally rude, totally wrong, and totally baseless!!

[wyldwolf]

89. then why do you keep beating the point TO ME, in replies to ME...

... that it isn't fair to call the OP "unfair?"

And the only people bitching and moaning here are those caught off guard by the level of Clinton support.

[PresidentObama]

93. Beating any point to you is impossible.

You don't listen. The point is you attacked Dennis, and his supporters. Why? Because you said this thread was to discredit Clinton. How? Because the original poster is anti-Clinton. Like that some how has anything to do with the OP which simply asked who knows people who support Hillary, and could have been posed by Hillary supporters and you wouldn't bitch one bit.

"And the only people bitching and moaning here are those caught off guard by the level of Clinton support."

Care to back that up? Trying to imply people are anti-Clinton again? Tisk, tisk.

[wyldwolf]

95. how can it be impossible when you're continuously doing it?

[PresidentObama]

96. Sorry, I stole your strategy.

Only difference, I spice mine up with logic :hi:

Edwards has a big house, and Dennis Kucinich has hippies for supporters. MAN, I've heard it all in non-issue attacks now. Thanks DU :argh:

Done implying others are anti-Clinton yet? Or should I imply your pro-Bush? I know, I know. You aren't pro-Bush, but hey...you seem to like baseless attacks. So why not? Two can play at this game!!

[wyldwolf]

99. ..and then you drift into irrelevancy

[zulchzulu]

113. Since I have the person you mentioned on "Ignore"...

I do find that people who say they support one candidate and not another during the primary season are somehow construed to being anti-(fill in the blank) bordering on a clinically insane judgement.

Certainly, if I support Obama, does that make me anti-Dodd? Am I anti-Edwards? Anti-Biden? Do I hate Al Gore or Wesley Clark?

Um...no.

I like to engage in a reasonable discussion about why I support my candidate and could provide what I feel would be sound, intelligent reasons. Some on this thread have posted their reasons for their choice. That's great!

[Lerkfish]

118. actually, I have not made a choice of candidate yet, myself

(just being conversational, I know you weren't talking to me)
I prefer to find out how people perform while they're campaigning, instead of just "announcing" before deciding on a choice.
I would say that unless Clinton and Edwards change their views on Iran, I'm not going to be behind them in the primary.

however, who becomes the primary candidate I will support.

[zulchzulu]

132. OK...I took that person off "Ignore"...

It's more fun this way... fun like watching a car accident fun...

[Tellurian]

141. By consensus..

you've been judged certifiable, if you think it's fun to watch car accidents!

what is fun, is to know who you are actually dealing with..

[SOS]

174. But I will lay some truth on you now:

Supporters like you do far more to hurt Hillary than help her.

[PresidentObama]

66. Whether the poster has an agenda or not....

.....The question they presented was valid, and the response has been pretty good towards Hillary and how many are seeing others in their individual areas pulling for Hillary.

[wyldwolf]

76. the OP DOES have an agenda

...and he/she is certainly disappointed with the answers in this thread.

[PresidentObama]

80. So if you have an agenda you are banned...

....to post fair, open threads? Good to know, I'll pass that on. We know the OP's opinions about Hillary, but he left the door open for people to present whether they know anyone who likes Hillary. It seemed pretty fair from someone who isn't supporting Hillary.

[wyldwolf]

82. where has anyone said or implied that? Hint: They haven't

But the OP and you should both know no one can post with impunity.

[zulchzulu]

90. It's good to see someone like you representing your cause

Keep digging...

[wyldwolf]

92. oh, please. I've heard it all before. Keep spinning.

[zulchzulu]

97. One last response to you...

If you read my post, you saw that I was looking for people who knew people who supported Senator Clinton. It seemed pretty simple to me. And I appreciate those who responded with maturity, intelligence and fairness. That was my intent and they complied.

You, however, seem to believe some notion that such a discussion should not be discussed. Such a conversation should not be allowed. Such a conversation should be banned, perhaps.

I'll say this as nicely as possible. You don't help your cause. It doesn't wear well. Others who support Senator Clinton can respond without making an fool out of themselves. You immediately had the kneejerk reaction to insult a Kucinich supporter and were promptly countered with questions on your intention. That kind of behavior tells me a lot about you.

But if you'd like to continue with your antics, have at it. This is my last response to you. Do what you will.

[wyldwolf]

101. I doubt that. And again, I've heard it all before.

You're like the kid who gets so used to slapping around other kids, you're shocked when someone pops you back.

[PresidentObama]

104. Slapping around others?

Where are you getting this? Are you in the same THREAD?!? Jesus. The original post wasn't meant to "slap around" anybody. None. Zero. Zip. Another baseless, and untrue post from wyldwolf. At least you're consistent!!

[wyldwolf]

105. reading is fundamental. Allegory is a bit more advanced.

[PresidentObama]

106. Such a thoughtful response.

One liners are overrated, in my book!!

The original poster gives you the reasoning behind the original post, and you respond by claiming they're slapping others around. WHO?? WHAT?? WHEN?? WHERE?? WHY?? HOW??

I'll ask again, are you in the same thread?

wyldwolf, you're killing me buddy. Please, just stop. We know your point, but you're wrong. Just plain wrong, and you can't settle for being wrong. Now please stop foaming out the mouth, this thread is meant to be productive. Oh, and don't bring up any more non-issues. Dennis Kucinich's supporters wearing cut off jeans doesn't make them wrong, and you right. Doesn't make Dennis look bad, and doesn't mean shit. I hate non-issues!!

[wyldwolf]

109. I guess you have to understand the concepts

[Kber]

2. I've talked to two.

My step-dad and my son's wrestling coach. They both are dedicated democrats who like her a lot.

My own feelings are that I'd certainly vote for her in the general, but I'm not sure she's our strongest primary candidate. I guess I'm waiting to be convinced either way.

[rodeodance]

5. i know several---professionals, teachers. Most women, a few men.

midwest. early age baby bommers to young women in 20's (not necessarily fems)

[Tellurian]

142. Yes , the majority of people I know are looking forward to the Clintons...

moving back into the White House.It hasn't been that long ago the Clintons were in charge..I still remember. An innocence of never knowing fear, war, terror, retribution, citizen body searches, long airport waits, not being allowed taking shampoo on airplanes... Really, I can't wait for the debates. Hillary is going to wipe the floor with her opponents. But then again, we'll have to argue who won and who was the decisive victor of the debates the next day. ah, well..sharpening my nails with facts.

[customerserviceguy]

3. My mother likes her

and she likes Barack Obama, too. She'd be fine with either of them as the nominee.

[rinsd]

Yes, plenty. My mother is probably the biggest fan I know personally.

Even my fellow office workers who could be charitably described as clueless were debating Presidential contenders this morning. Most preferred McCain but felt ok with Hillary though one made a PMS = WW3 joke.

[BL611]

4. Ummm yeah

If you talked to wide range of people and didn't find one that supports Hillary, you must be running in different circles than me (and also all polling which indicates she is the clear front runner). Personally she's my #2 choice.

[Clark2008]

127. Nope - not true.

I work at a school that trains everyone from the peon assistants to the professional to the computer geek. I see a HUGE variety of people in a day and I haven't met a soul who likes HRC.

I really think it depends on where you live. I live in a purple state (Dems run the state, and Republican, by a slim majority, make up most of our federal represenatives). Most people I know aren't for her because they don't think she has a snowball's chance in hell of winning the general election.

[liberalnurse]

6. Every one in southwestern Ohio is talking of support

for Hillary! Many bumper stickers too. Folks who just follow politics superficially all are voicing their support for Clinton. many are republicans!

[Lerkfish]

15. where in southwestern ohio? I live in Dayton and am not seeing that at all.

[rucky]

137. Not everyone.

My coworkers in Dayton are overwhelmingly in favor of Obama, but I haven't really heard anyone say anything negative about Hillary, either.

[LiberalVoice]

7. I know many. nt

:P

[ElizabethDC]

8. Actually, most of the Democrats that I know personally are supporting Hillary

quite a few are also supporting Obama, and a handful are undecided. They don't generally give me specific reasons why they support Hillary (or any candidate, for that matter), but many have expressed concern about her ability to win the general election. I'm on a college campus where politics is debated a lot, and I routinely poll my friends on who they're suppoting - I've been suprised by the number of people who are supporting Hillary. One of my close friends told me the week after Hillary's announcement that he was surprised to find himself really excited about her candidacy. So, I guarantee you, there are a lot of real, live Hillary supporters out there.

[wyldwolf]

9. this discussion reminds me of my college radio days

...lots of indy music fans who would constantly claim they didn't know ANYONE who listened to popular music so the music charts must be lying.

One conversation in particular had to to with a top40 station with MONSTER ratings. I mean they were killing everyone in numbers of listeners. One guy actually seemed horrified when I told him the station was Arbitron and Birch rated #1.

"That's not true. No one I know listens to them!"

[Lerkfish]

19. well, that goes both ways.

its a very valid point. People tend to congregate by similar likes or dislikes, so its not unreasonable to point that most people one knows would have a similar candidate in mind, or not in mind.

For example, I don't particularly care about country music or nascar. No one I hang out with does, but obviously there are many who do, but based on my own anecdotal experience alone, I'd say neither is that popular as far as I can tell.

And someone who is a big NASCAR fan will say everyone they know likes it.


So, you have a valid point for this thread, but its the same valid point for threads that cheerlead a candidate and make the same claim.

[wyldwolf]

24. true - but the difference is this

Hillary is polling #1. The radio station in question was #1. The point of the op was to somehow discredit the polling by showing no one in "real life" likes Clinton.

[Lerkfish]

38. maybe. But I think you're arriving at a conclusion that is subjective

The OP says they don't know anyone supporting her and asks others if they do or not.
That would seem to be an informal poll of DU members as to what their experience is. Most people answered it in that vein, as far as I could tell.

[wyldwolf]

47. not at all

It is the meme of choice on DU among the "progressive" set that Clinton's lead is manufactured. That no one REALLY likes her. The OP isn't getting the responses he/she hoped for, IMO.

[Lerkfish]

51. why do you need to use quotes around the word progressive?

Or why do you need to characterize a "progressive set" as apart from yourself?

As I understand it from the usage agreement, we're all supposed to be progressive here.

:shrug:

are you meaning a different word, since you put quotes around "progressive"?

if so, what word do you really mean?

[wyldwolf]

68. I don't need to.

But I choose to.

"progressives" meaning those self-described "progressives" who are actually just a lefwing mirror of the far right. Rigid. Uncompromising. Ideologically pure. Constantly in search of party heretics. Deniers of reality.

[Lerkfish]

85. and who do you view as fitting that definition?

[wyldwolf]

88. it is against DU rules to call out individuals

But you'd be denying reality yourself if you said you'd never seen the numerous posts here from "progressives" presuming to define who "real Democrats" are, and who DINOS are, and who threaten not to vote for certain candidates, and who advocate "kicking out" certain types of Democrats, and who (after the primary in CT.) said Clinton/Biden/Bayh/fill in the blank is next, and so forth and so on.

[Lerkfish]

102. putting words in my mouth doesn't help you, actually.

"But you'd be denying reality yourself if you said you'd never seen..."


I don't recall saying that. I was trying to figure out who you were talking about, since you said using the word "progressive" in quotes, to you, did not mean progressives. You then made a definion that didn't seem to fit the OP, IMHO, so I was asking who you were referring to.

unless, of course, you DID mean the OP, which would have made more sense.

so, if you didn' mean the OP, why are you discussing some nebulous group unrelated to anyone in the thread, since you don't wish to single them out and violate DU rules? That would seem to be a non sequitor.

[wyldwolf]

107. how have I put words in your mouth?

You asked for a definition of "progressive." I gave it.
You asked me to identify those fitting that definition. Per DU rules, I cannot.

BUT... in order to shed light on who they are, I elaborated on my definition and expressed doubt that you'd never actually seen that behavior exhibited.

[CTD]

39. But polling #1 at this stage in the game is all about name recognition

And I am not the least bit surprised that Hillary is #1 in name recognition at this point.

It doesn't in any way suggest that she'll be #1 when actual primary votes start being cast. And that's even if nothing dramatic happens between now and then. It's just that when voters actually start to pay attention, it becomes more about issues than strictly name recognition.

Personally, all the Dems I know are, to one degree or another, in the "Anyone But Hillary" camp and all the Reps I know are acting as if her nomination and subsequent election is inevitable. Seriously.

[wyldwolf]

41. A leading "progressive" source debunked the name recognition meme

[Lerkfish]

54. source? link?

[wyldwolf]

60. sure

Discussed in multiple threads recently at DU:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/1/30/181044/219

[Lerkfish]

65. so, in this instance, you accept the credibility of "progressives"

thanks for the link, btw.

so, even though you've attacked the credibility of "progressives" (your quotes) in other threads here, when a progressive blog supports your point of view, they are selectively and temporarily credible?

You're arguing out of both sides of your mouth, it appears. Are progressives credible, or are they not?

[wyldwolf]

69. I think you missed my reply where I defined "progressive"

But using a leftwing source do debunk a leftwing myth is pretty fun.

[zulchzulu]

75. I hope you find the thread valuable

My intention was as I stated. If I were you, I'd be happy to see the results of the thread.

[wyldwolf]

83. I'll refer to it as an example of a Clinton attack gone horribly wrong

[zulchzulu]

91. Dig some more...

This is amusing.

[wyldwolf]

94. spin some more. Amusing to watch an anti-Clinton post crash and burn

Guess what? Clinton IS the frontrunner. Clinton DOES have lots of support - even on DU.

[Clark2008]

129. OK - the Indie music thing is getting old

I also worked for my college Indie music station (Communications major) and, while I preferred that type of music, I knew far more people who listened to popular music. I was the oddball, but I knew it.

However, that's not the case in what I'm hearing about Hillary locally. I simply don't know a soul who's for her - no matter where I go or what I do (should the opportunity to talk politics come up) I never hear a positive word about her. From the women who do my nails to the people I train to the grocery store clerk (who, btw, is a Dem, but calls her a "bitch," go figure).

I really believe it's where one lives. In parts of the South, she's seen as a pariah, even by Democrats.

[wyldwolf]

152. I live in the south. Very much involved here. No Democrat I know sees her as a pariah.

[skipos]

10. Not one. And I come from a blue family and live in a blue town (in a blue state)

I know her fans are out there, but I haven't met one yet.

[Ronnie]

12. She's the first choice

of every Democrat I know. This forum is the only place I run into nasty comments about her.

[zulchzulu]

13. Where? Demographic sketch please...

I'm curious...

[wyldwolf]

20. why should ronnie do a "demographic" sketch of every Dem

when the OP hasn't ponied up the same?

[Desert Liberal]

119. I've been reading the posts back and forth

between you and other DUers, and I've come to the following conclusion:

You're a butthead.

:evilgrin:

[wyldwolf]

146. I've now reached my own conclusion about you

so are you.

[Desert Liberal]

148. Yeah, well, at least I don't

pretend to misunderstand everything said to me just so that I can keep arguing. Inane, really. Unless...you weren't pretending? Oh my, how sad that such clear statements become clouded in your mind. It must be awful for you.
Just so we're clear, this is:
:sarcasm:
Oh, and my assertion that you are a butthead comes from these posts you've made in this thread. Where does your assertion take root?

[wyldwolf]

151. ha ha! Right.

Asking for clarification and for facts to back assertions qualifies as "pretending to not understand."

My assertion that you're a butthead comes from you actually calling someone a butthead.

[Desert Liberal]

154. Hee hee

See, you're funny. That line about the butthead thing was hilarious! That's the thing that keeps you from being a step worse than a butthead. But make no mistake, simply telling the truth does not label one as a butthead. I call them as I see them, and you seem awfully hostile to anyone who poses questions or comments about your dear candidate.
Don't get me wrong, she's a strong lady. But forgive me if I don't want to see her as the Dem nominee in '08. If you think that the 'angry white male' vote won't count against, and possibly undo, her campaign, then you need to do a bit of research on the subject. There are still vast sums of men in the nation who are afraid of strong, intelligent women, to the point that they will turn out in droves to keep her out of office. Don't let your 'like' of a candidate blind you to the less favorable aspects of said candidate.

[wyldwolf]

155. yeah - next you'll call someone a "Beevis"

[Desert Liberal]

157. Actually, it's Beavis

and I've been using 'butthead' since long before those animated idiots showed up on the scene.

[wyldwolf]

158. see! I knew you'd know how to spell it!

[Desert Liberal]

159. Google, dear, google is your friend!

Besides, I was born at just the right time that I was subjected to all the 80's/90's pop culture crap.

[wyldwolf]

160. yes it is. But you knew I misspelled "Beavis."

[Desert Liberal]

162. Split hairs, why doncha? Told you I was born at the

exact wrong time to have good pop culture. And, (stay with me, here) I've got a pretty decent memory, particularly for numbers and words. I'm sure I've seen it spelled somewhere before (and my dirty little secret is that I actually watched part of an episode...well, like 5 minutes, before it became inane to the point of ignorance). Imagine that. I remember how to spell a word I've seen before! Miracle of miracles! I bet NOBODY can do that! Wow, I could be preznit!

[wyldwolf]

163. So it was your favorite show?

[Desert Liberal]

164. Indeed!

The very pearl of television programming! Even when I was about 13! :rofl:

[wyldwolf]

165. Well, we all have our guilty pleasures.

[Desert Liberal]

166. And yours, apparently, is being a...well, you know!

:evilgrin:

:pals:

[wyldwolf]

167. nah... it's riling up people like... well... you know.

[PresidentObama]

172. Atleast you admit it.

You're the type of kid that pushes people around until someone pops them back. Remember that? I know you do.

:evilgrin:

[PresidentObama]

171. aundria75, don't waste your time with WW.

WW goes in circles, and avoids the truth at any cost if it doesn't fit his/her opinion or view. And he/she likes baseless attacks too. Apparently I'm anti-Clinton. HA!! Not even partly true.

BTW, I see you're from Springfield, Missouri. Me too ;)

[wyldwolf]

173. aren't you the one who claimed the Clinton sabotaged the Kerry campaign?

[PresidentObama]

175. Proof please?

Another baseless attack?

I started a thread because I was sick and tired of the Kerry supporters/non-Kerry supporters arguing over if Clinton sabotaged/tried to prevent Kerry from winning. If you've read the thread, you'd know my final conclusion was that the Clintons DID NOT and if you read the OP I said I wasn't going one way or the other and VERY skeptical because I felt the other Kerry supporters had no proof.

Don't try and paint me as anti-Clinton when there is no paint for your brush. Lies, distortions, and baseless attacks. Are you sure you don't think your on a RW message board?

[wyldwolf]

176. yeah... it WAS you... in your typical "I'm not accusing... but look at this" fashion.

Now first off I want to say I'm on the fence on this...

:eyes:

Don't let this turn into a flame war... :puke:

...but from what I hear... :rofl:



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3093443&mesg_id=3093443

[PresidentObama]

177. Thanks for posting the link....

Exposes that you're full of shit. I don't trust Hillarys team, but I never bought into the "Hillary ruined Kerry" bullshit.

Please tell me how that thread paints me as anti-Clinton? Did you read where I said I found no proof of the Clintons trying to prevent Kerry? Did you read in the OP where I said I didn't want a flame war but I wanted an HONEST debate about why these charges are being thrown around?

That thread was trying to put the spotlight on those who were accusing the Clintons of wrongdoing, how is THAT anti-Clinton? That was putting pressure on those making charges to provide proof.

EDIT: Here was my final conclusion from that post-

"Based on this thread that no proof exists to show the Clintons purposely attempted to sabotage or prevent Kerry from winning the WH in 2004. Again, this thread was never about whether the blame for Kerry's loss goes to the Clintons. I don't understand why people went that direction, and tried to make this debate about that.

While the Clintons silently might have wished for Kerry to lose for Hillary to run in 2008, I don't know that I can believe they did anything to try and prevent Kerry from succeeding. Some of the posters bring up a good point that Bill did stump for Kerry while still recovering from surgery and still not fully well and he went out in front of a packed outdoor crowd."

And then this.....

Bill Clinton is one of my favorites, and Hillary will get my vote if she gets the nomination.

[wyldwolf]

178. yeah. Check the link. Exposes how...

..full of shit YOU are.

You can post all the weak disclaimers you want.

[PresidentObama]

180. The proof is in the pudding.

I welcome everyone to click that link, and expose how wrong your baseless attacks are. Like the examples I gave above, you did nothing to dissect them. You just merely ignored them.

[wyldwolf]

182. yes it is - as we can all see

[Desert Liberal]

179. Ah, I'm just givin 'em a hard time!

My mission: irritate those who like taking the bait.

I definitely choose to accept!

Anyway, yes, Springfield, Misery. Looking at your avatar, I assume you are 'family'. My mom is 'family' too! We probably know each other and don't even know it! Heck, if you're involved with PNO or anything like that, I've probably met you.

And besides, if I don't bother WW, s/he (betting 'he') might latch onto some unsuspecting newbie and then where would we be? Just doing my part to draw fire away from the thinner-skinned!

:evilgrin:

[PresidentObama]

181. aundria, aren't you the one that works with...

....the local chapter of DFA?

[Desert Liberal]

185. Aww you got me!

Yep, that's me! :hippie:

[PresidentObama]

188. Gosh. I thought so.

Andrew has been trying to drag me into meetings for months, and I've never been. Guess I haven't been as involved as I should lately, sheesh!!

[Desert Liberal]

189. Well, come see us!

The world is run by those who show up!

:silly:

[PresidentObama]

191. I probably will.

I've heard good things about DFA. I get so tired of the same old, same old Democratic groups with the same old farts in charge and calling all the shots. DFA seems to be the new blood in town, which isn't necessarily a bad thing!! I quit going to any group or anything after I was at some meeting back in 2005, and one of them was running down Howard Dean and I got tired of that kind of politics and the fact that locally things seemed so disorganized and unappealing.

:hi:

[Desert Liberal]

192. Well, those 'old farts' call us 'those DFA kids'

even though two of our three main executive members are in our thirties. We try not to run anybody down unless they just really deserve it! :evilgrin: We certainly don't allow any old-fart-shot-calling, and we're trying very hard to be organized and effective. It's definitely NOT politics as usual, because well, frankly, look at where 'politics as usual' has gotten us! We meet at Marco's Pizza downtown on the Square every first Thursday at 7 p.m.

:toast:

[PresidentObama]

193. Excellent. I'll try and make it n/t

[Ronnie]

21. The Keys

and Palm Beach County. Also, family in Texas and California. She's well liked by a lot of people. Get used to it.

[zulchzulu]

32. Thanks... n/t

[Lerkfish]

14. not really, but then again, I've not seem many people in RL naming a particular

democratic candidate for certain, either. I've heard people say they like Obama, for example, but aren't sure if they would choose him as their candidate. I've heard someone say they used to really like Edwards, but don't now because of the statement about Iran.
Actually, most dems I talk to have a "wait and see who's the nominee" point of view. They'll say they like certain things about some of the candidates, but I don't personally know any dem who is square behind any of the candidates at this point.

DU is the only place I'm seeing absolute supporters of any of the candidates.


but this may be due to my circle of friends, and has little to recommend it as a representative sample.

I do know that the republicans I know are vehement in their dislike of her and Obama, for whatever that's worth.

[elizm]

16. Hillary in Charleston, SC last night...

Hillary was in Charleston last night at an event honoring House Majority Whip James Clyburn. A blogger who was there saw my Obama pin so stopped to talk to me. When the event was over I saw him again on the way out. He said the odd thing was that this was an event where Hillary spoke and he had yet to find one person who said they were supporting her. There was someone there selling Hillary pins...I saw two wearing them. I know only ONE person personally who is supporting her.

[July]

17. I know some real fans in Buffalo.

Don't know their views on a presidential run, but they are thrilled with Hillary as their senator and signed up to help her when she ran for the Senate. Some are former Republicans, and all are women in their seventies and eighties (my mother, aunt, and some of their cousins). The main reason they like Hillary is that she is a strong woman (like them).

[PresidentObama]

18. Yes, actually.

My aunt is strongly for Hillary. After Kerry dropped out, my mom called me quickly endorsing Hillary. My father was in the background saying "If she can do half the damn job of Bill, I'll support her too." I have a few family members who like her. My grandma seems to enjoy her, and she voted for Bush in 2004 and used to preach to me about the 'evils' of John Kerry.

Outside of my family? Not really. I've talked to one or two people, but I've heard a lot of passion on both sides. They either love her, or hate her. I don't see any middle of the road opinions on her. I know our local establishment of Democratic activists and main supporters aren't too thrilled about it.

I was booed a little bit once back in early 06' at a Democratic local club meeting for saying she wasn't my first choice, but if she got the nomination I'll support her. Of course they booed when I said I favored Kerry, so boo them :P

[MonkeyFunk]

22. Yes...

many of them in fact. In the real world, she's quite well-liked.

[PLF]

25. Yeah, multiple chicks in the greater Michigan area.

Honest!!!!!!

[Lone_Star_Dem]

26. Most of the Dems I speak with are still undecided.

But, I have spoke to one who is 100% for Hillary and several who might be later on. It's too early to be picking a choice for most people.

[Freddie Stubbs]

27. You will be able to review the names of thousands of Hillary supporters in early April

;)

[paulk]

29. I know quite a few

here in Denver. They are mainstream Democrats, for the most part. Among my more "leftist" friends, she is not well liked. Those same people also disliked Kerry.

I have a friend in Cheyenne, WY, an activist in the Latino community, who has promised to come live in Denver to work for her campaign in Colorado. The last time he did that was when Pena was running for mayor here.

I have lots and lots of relatives in (red) upstate NY who are enthusiastic about her - their opinion is based on her record as their Senator.

There is a lot more support for her out there than one would guess, especially after reading this board. The only hatred I see out in the real world that mirrors the bile spewed at her here on DU is coming from some right wingers that I know...

[Radical Activist]

30. The supporters I've met fall into two categories.

One, are those who are Democrats but don't closely follow politics. They like Clinton in general but aren't strong in their support. This is one reason I think Hillary's support will erode quickly in the early primary states once people hear more from other candidates. Even now, she doesn't poll nearly as well in the early primary starts, where people pay closer attention, as she does in national polls. That's a sign of things to come.

The second group is women who like the idea of a woman being President.

That being said, I know very few people who are enthusiastic Clinton supporters. I think she has more support among the media and donor establishment than she has in middle America, which tends to exaggerate her standing as a candidate.

[kestrel91316]

31. Common courtesy would start with you referring to her as SENATOR

Clinton, rather than MRS. Clinton.

But I think you knew that.

And no, she's not my first choice for our nominee. I happen to think the polls are deliberately being faked, so when she doesn't get the nom they can say what disarray the Dems are in, or what a failure she is. I put nothing past these people anymore.

But please show some courtesy. She has EARNED the title of Senator. Use it JUST LIKE YOU WOULD FOR A MALE SENATOR.

[zulchzulu]

33. Wow...

So she isn't MRS. Clinton? I didn't know that...

I've also seen how it's "sexist" to call her "Hillary" even though that is on her own web site. But hey, thanks for playing....

[PresidentObama]

35. zulchzulu, you better call Obama and Kerry SENATOR.

Wouldn't want to be racist or anti-New England, would ya?

[zulchzulu]

36. Can I abbreviate it or do I have to put Party/State affiliation too?

Is Sen. OK...

B-)

[kestrel91316]

40. She may be Mrs., but in her professional life it's insulting to NOT

use her professional/workplace title, which she has EARNED.

I am unmarried, and a veterinarian. I get insulted when a client tries to call me "Miss", "Ms", or "Mrs". I am "Dr" in my workplace.

Deliberate omission of a professional title is a DELIBERATE SLIGHT. I'm quite familiar with that trick as a power play.

Run along now. You're way too obvious to keep this game up for long.

[PresidentObama]

45. Hmmmmm, I think you're overanalyzing this.

This reminds me of the Hillary sexist debate. Everyone thought it was sexist to call her Hillary instead of Senator Clinton or Hillary Clinton. Yet if you go to her website, the long banner says "Hillary For President" and not "Hillary Clinton For President"

So is it wrong to not include Senator when people are talking about Barack Obama, John Kerry, and others? It's not SOME dirty trick, it's calling them by their NAMES.

I like Hillary, but why is this an issue? :eyes:

I see no harm in this. It's making an issue out of an non-issue.

[zulchzulu]

48. Please reply to every post in this thread with your "advice"

I noticed some referred to names like simply "Clinton" and "Hillary" in their responses.

Please go through this thread and personally correct them for their extreme error. If you're going to be consistent...

[Norquist Nemesis]

34. Hubby told me a while ago he'd vote for her in a heartbeat

if she ran. It was several months ago that I asked him the question and he said "Absolutely. In a heartbeat." Needless to say, I was shocked and pressed him to see if he was joking or just trying to humor me. He wasn't.

He's not likely to change his mind if he was that certain then. One of the candidates is going to have to show him why he is better than Sen. Clinton. What really surprised me was that he said he wouldn't vote for Obama (in the primary) especially since he voted for him in 2004 all the way from primary to GE. He tells me Obama "doesn't have the experience" but refuses to go into details on that.

A bit of an explanation...Hubby's very well read and informed. He's a registered Democrat, non-practicing Catholic who describes himself as socially liberal and fiscally conservative (no comment on the fiscal conservative and the hole in his pocket LOL!). Sometimes I just simply can't figure out where he gets his info but he's always spot on the money about things, though.

I'm a political junkie with an admitted evolved partisan bias. I listen to progressive talk shows, watch CSPAN at a greater percentage than any other channel, and try my best to keep up with and read almost any political "news" possible. He, on the other hand listens to a couple of local light entertainment radio shows popular here in Chicagoland or pops in a mix-CD while he's in the car. His morning routine is to watch the local news before work. In the evening, he leaves the room for me to watch my regular line up of Hardball, Lou Dobbs, Jim Lehrer by myself until 7pm--except during dinner when he presses the remote for The Simpsons and/or Malcolm. :banghead: From 7pm until he goes to bed, network entertainment is strictly adhered to.

But he'll be voting for Hillary and he's wondering why I still haven't made up my mind.

[zulchzulu]

37. Your hubby is a non-practicing Catholic? OMFG!

Take the batteries out of your remote pronto!

:think:

[DeepModem Mom]

42. Absolutely! I live with one -- DeepModem Dad.

He's a supporter of and contributor to the Clinton campaign. I support Obama myself, but I'd be happy with Hillary, and DM Dad likes Obama, too. I don't think either of us look for perfection in a candidate, nor do we have an ideological litmus test beyond a moderate to liberal Democrat. We do want somebody with a chance to win, and then stop the war (if it, as I fear, is still raging).

DM Dad contributed to Dean in '04, and then to Clark. I was a volunteer in the Clark campaign. We both supported the eventual nominee, John Kerry.

DM Dad's a male, of course; we've lived many places -- and I don't like to talk about age. I think Dad, for one thing, would like to see Hillary exact revenge against Scaife and his evil ilk by ascending to the White House. Aside from that, I think she's a person he would, without question, hire. She's smart, tough, and no-nonsense. She got down to business in upstate New York after announcing for Senate, and through hard work and personal skills won those voters over. She's become an excellent Senator for New York, and is respected by her colleagues. She gets it done. I think DM Dad, with his support, is "hiring" Hillary -- for a big job.

Also -- a have a friend in NYC who very strongly supports her Senator for the WH. She's a feminist, and is really excited about the possibility of taking the historical step of electing a woman to the WH. And she cites Obama's inexperience, as do some women in my family who support Hillary.

[Cha]

46. There were a couple here in

New York who were talking about hillary and I set them straight on her stance on Iraq and they've back way off. hillary doesn't want our votes anyway..she said so.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x264108

[AtomicKitten]

55. Yes, my doctor and my lawyer here in SF.

Both young, brilliant men find her the best candidate of the bunch because of her experience, political savvy, and intelligence. And they both seemed genuinely stunned when I described the jihad waged against her at DU, pointing out that that is "reminiscent of the response from the nuts that crawl out of the woodwork every four years."

[PresidentObama]

57. I left out my dentist. She likes Hillary too. She was for Dean in 04' n/t

[zulchzulu]

133. I wouldn't go quite so far as to say there is a "jihad waged against her"...

Senator Clinton has her background, her policies, her statements and her media persona all by herself.

Let's say she's a menu choice in a restaurant. Not everyone picks her as a meal.

How's that for an odd analogy... either way, these brilliant young men you refer to can certainly refer to people that don't find her within their political yearnings nothing more than "nuts that crawl out of the woodwork every four years."

Nuts are good for you.

[AtomicKitten]

135. whatever you say, Mr. Zulu

... except we could have used some of those "nut" (my attorney's and doctor's word, not mine) votes in Florida in 2000 ... oh, and I have no problem with the discussion of any candidate's policies, background, statements, etc., it's the personal shit, the assigning of motives and feelings, etc., and the unfair/unequal treatment she gets here that gets on my last nerve.

[AZBlue]

169. If there's not at least one non-factual vehemently anti-Hillary thread here on any given day,

then you've mistyped in the url, you're not on DU.

I'd call that a jihad.

[zulchzulu]

63. -> Thanks for your responses

It gives me a better idea. I would imagine that supporters of Senator Clinton (as their primary candidate) might find this valuable as well.

[LaurenG]

98. No, not one in person

but I know of two here (I'm sure there are others though).

[Tellurian]

112. Thanks, I've been waiting for the so -called intellectual bloviating to STOP!

I have consistently been a Hillary supporter non-stop..

Apparently, it seems to be politicaly expedient to ignore that fact..
But I have been, to everyones chagrin, a Hillary Rodham Clinton supporter right along..

Oh, no, I'm not one of those attaching conditions to my democratic vote, such as:

"I will NOT Vote for anyone in the General who voted for the WAR."
"If they did know Bush was lying, they were either STUPID or INCOMPETENT!"

No, I'm not one of the fly-by-nights. But I am here, I may be drowned out from time to time
by the non stop attacks on me as I defend my candidate the best I can. But I am here. I don't plan
on leaving any time soon. So, get used to it, and STOP wasting everyone's time with your foolish semantic
arguments.

Just think, if Kucinich's representative had worn a suit and tie we could have saved 30 min
of nonsense watching a cat fight or better 2 bulls in a pasture locking horns about whose more/less right!


Here OP, put this graphic in your pipe and smoke it!

Now you know ONE Hillary supporter that has the courage to stand up against 100,000+ posters!

[PresidentObama]

121. Courage. I'm glad you use that word....

Courage. I like it. Hopefully more supporters of all of our candidates will have courage. Courage to cut the bullshit fighting, defend their candidate, support their candidate, and if all goes well we'll get the nominee that will go onto victory in 2008. If thats Hillary, so be it!!

"Just think, if Kucinich's representative had worn a suit and tie we could have saved 30 min
of nonsense watching a cat fight or better 2 bulls in a pasture locking horns about whose more/less right!"

Even though that was partly directed to me....

:rofl:

[Tellurian]

143. Heh, and here I thought you were being obtuse...

Yes, I like courage too-
I've been David so many times, Goliath winces, Not he/r again! :hi:

[JNelson6563]

100. Not much here in MI

I'm in the northern half of the mitten so I don't know about the Detroit area or the UP but I don't hear much about Hillary in this region. All believe the right would turn out massively if she were our candidate.

I've seen support for Obama and Edwards (lotta labor here and Bonior's his camp. chair) so far and hear rumblings from a Draft Gore group. Our state convention is Saturday so it will be interesting to see who's got visibility this early.

Julie

[Clark2008]

126. Why do the labor people like Edwards?

He didn't lift a finger to help them when he was a senator.

I'm sorry - I don't get that one.

[JNelson6563]

147. Not sure but with Bonior

on board there must be some seriously labor-friendly views outta Edwards' campaign. MI labor has a rock solid relationship with Bonior, they backed him in the primary against Granholm back in the day. Because of that there was a mighty bumpy start between the Granhom admin and labor.

Julie

[Colobo]

114. Very few, but I have

Like 3 people, all females. They also happen to like Obama.

[Robeson]

116. No. The vast majority of people I know...

...want Gore to run. I also know a couple of Clark supporters.

[IA_Seth]

117. Yes. Not many DUers, but lots of others.

I think some people here on DU underestimate the political juggernaut that is the Clinton campaign. I won't be caucusing for her, but I guarantee there will be plenty that do.

[PresidentObama]

122. DU is it's own little world.

You're right. She may or may not get the nomination, but she has major potential as a top candidate with a well oiled machine operation. DU underestimates anyone they don't like, void of reality.

[doc03]

120. No! Have not run into anyone Democrat or

Republican that likes her at all.

[Lorien]

123. Yes, one

he isn't very politically astute, but he figures that a Clinton will make things like they were back in the '90's Clinton era. That's his only rationale for supporting Hillary (not that it's a bad one...)

Every other person Dem I've spoken to has said that they will only vote for her if forced to. The independents I know won't vote for her.

[Colobo]

124. Why is it that

Some people equate Hillary with Bill?

[Clark2008]

125. I guess it depends on where you live.

I haven't. I don't know a soul - independent or Democrat - who wants her as the nominee (some Republicans do because they figure she'll be easy to beat, but they don't count).

However, according to wyldwolf, EVERYONE he knows wants her to be the nominee.
(Edited to add: LOL! I posted before even seeing that wyldwolf was the first person to respond to this thread! :rofl: Still, that doesn't take away from the fact that I see people of all shades and varieties through my work and I see all sorts of Democrats though play and not a one - to a tee - likes HRC).

:shrug:

[AuntPatsy]

128. Only my father.

[MrSlayer]

131. No, not one.

I talk politics with a lot of people in the neighborhood and on the job and I have yet to meet a single person who is enthusiastic about her at all.

[Blue_In_AK]

134. Not one...

She is very unpopular in Alaska.

[k_jerome]

136. is this the best Dick Morris has? nt.

[sandnsea]

140. OR - nobody

I'm getting Obama and Edwards so far. And, of course, Kucinich. No love for Hillary at all.

[lamp_shade]

144. Yes

Many

[LWolf]

149. No.

In the places I've lived since the 90s, she is universally disliked.

Both by the moderate republicans in the greater community, the democrats I've met and talked to for political purposes, and the eclectic mix of people I call neighbors, friends and family.

Not one of them has ever had anything good to say. If her name comes up, it is always in a negative context.

Two different communities, culturally dissimilar, 1000 miles apart, the same result.

:shrug:

[HeeBGBz]

150. Maybe one

And it was only because she wanted Bill back in the White House as First Hubby.

[BlueIris]

153. Nope. Never.

But you're the second serious political activitst I know to ask this very question. It is a curious one, isn't it?

[SaveElmer]

156. Absolutely...

I live in Northern Virginia, and am active in the Democratic Party here...and I run into and talk to folks almost daily who definitely would not mind seeing Hillary as the nominee!!!

[PassingFair]

161. No.

Well, yes.

I have met ONE.

About 2 years ago.

It stands out. She worked with me.

She was otherwise entirely apolitical and was married to a republican.

I think to voice her support of Hillary made her feel like a feminist.

I liked her for it.

She was otherwise a total idiot.

[MissMarple]

168. Oh, yes.

And they don't particularly like anything but enthusiastic support. The two I know are women. One looked down, frowned, and shook her head when I mentioned Hillary might be too divisive. The other, I didn't join in with happy noises when she expressed her support. She then became kind of quiet.

[AZBlue]

170. Although I'm suspicious of the motives behind this post, I'll answer: yes. Several.

Both men and women. Some supported Clark at first in 04, some Kerry; all supported Kerry after the nom.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

183. I haven't heard anyone discuss the 2008 race in real life

except for my mother, who watches TV all the time. She likes Edwards.

[Lady President]

184. SENATOR Clinton

I think it's pretty telling that you repeatedly referred to her as MRS. Clinton. You don't have to like her, but she should be addressed appropriately.

I'm not sure if Sen. Clinton is my first choice, but I certainly support her. For me it is partially a feminist issue. I think it is important for girls and women to see that a sex is not a barrier to the presidency. I also find it an embarrassment that the U.S. has never had a viable woman run for president. I think she is bright, extremely knowledgeable about domestic and foreign policy, and is completely capable of leading our country.

I'd also note that just saying that you "have found no one who wants her to be the nominee" is no more valuable than me saying that "I know many."

[Colobo]

187. Same thing happens with minorities...

[Lady President]

194. You're right

The media makes no effort to address Obama with dignity-- all the Osama mistakes, referring to him by his first name, or calling him the Dem. Rock Star. He is a highly intelligent Senator who deserves better. I hope that Obama makes a strong showing. I will happily jump on his bandwagon, if he is the nominee.

In general, I'm so pleased that we have an AA candidate, a woman candidate, and a Latino candidate who can all run on their credentials. :) Kids are going to able to watch the debates and see candidates who look like they do which is such a powerful motivator to involve them in the process.

[MasonJar]

186. I for one am a strong Hill fan; a friend of mine. a strong democrat and

educated woman (teacher and minister), is very excited about Hill because we both think that it is time to have a woman president. Hillary Clinton is brilliant and not nearly as centrist as some DUers paint her. As I have noted before, she was the first I heard to call for a Palestinean state. She has been an excellent senator for NY. which is proof of her capabilities in government. Her presidency will drive the right wingers mad, and they deserve it after the outrageous ways they treated Hill and Bill. That would be simply delicious.

[Upfront]

190. Yes I Have.

Hillery has signed up Governor Granholm's top fund raiser in Michigan who was and is a huge Hillary fan and expects her to be the 1st woman President. This person seems to think Hillary will be a great president and is gung ho for Hillary.

[snowbear]

195. Only on here...

Other than that.. .... nope.

But in defense of DU and those who think she's being bashed too much here -- wow ----- --

--compared to a lot of other Democratic websites, the gang here have been perect angels!

Really. Take a stroll over to Smirking Chimp, KOS, Political Cortex, etc.. etc... etc..

Hillary has a LOT of support here compared to <<<< MANY >>>> of the other leftie websites!

[zulchzulu]

196. I have a brother who was for her until recently...

East coast professor... he's now for Obama. I didn't even have to convince him.