Anti-Hillary campaign losing steam

[wyldwolf]

Back when Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton was first lady, no one better embodied what she once called the "vast right-wing conspiracy" than Richard Mellon Scaife.

Scaife, reclusive heir to the Mellon banking fortune, spent more than $2 million investigating and publicizing accusations about the supposed involvement of Hillary Clinton and former President Bill Clinton in corrupt land deals, sexual affairs, drug running and murder.

But now, as Hillary Clinton is running for the Democratic presidential nomination, Scaife's checkbook is staying in his pocket.

Christopher Ruddy, who once worked full-time for Scaife investigating the Clintons and now runs a conservative online publication he co-owns with Scaife, said, "Both of us have had a rethinking."

"Clinton wasn't such a bad president," Ruddy said. "In fact, he was a pretty good president in a lot of ways, and Dick feels that way today."

....

For every conservative who says Clinton will feel the wrath of the movement's grass-roots organizers later in the campaign, particularly if she becomes her party's nominee, another expresses doubt that Clinton foes can ever be revved up like they once were.

Some of her former antagonists say that terrorism and war have made the political battles of her husband's administration — gay men and lesbians in the military, the White House travel office, Monica Lewinsky — seem remote, if not trivial.

conservative fund-raisers and organizers acknowledge that the grass-roots hatred for Hillary Clinton and her husband has subsided substantially since they left the White House.

National efforts to raise money to stop Clinton's Senate campaigns in New York in 2000 and 2006 never got off the ground. Nor did plans to raise money for a "counter-Clinton" library in Little Rock. And conservatives note to their consternation that at the moment the woman they treat as the incarnation of 1960s liberalism appears to be campaigning as the least liberal of the Democratic front-runners.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/02/19/news/clinton.php

[derby378]

1. It ain't conservative Hillary-bashers that the Clinton campaign has to worry about...

Too many people have been trying to coronate Hillary as the de facto Democratic nominee. The grassroots in our party are saying, "Not so fast."

[wyldwolf]

3. Let me guess. You're going to blog about it...

...then you're going to go door to door and tell rank-and-file Democrats how BAAAAD the wife of Bill Clinton is. I can see it now. LOL!

[Windy]

6. Look, its too early to crown a nominee. People that want to elevate Hillary

to that posistion at this juncture are frankly a detriment to the democratic party. Such dismissive thinking is an insult to the voters. All candidates must prove themselves including Mrs. Clinton.

We have many debates over the next several years. We'll see who rises to the top and who doesn't. She is NOT a shoe in.

[wyldwolf]

9. a nominee has not been crowned and I see other nominess elevated

[Windy]

16. Hillary has been crowned by the MSM and the right wing!

If you want to align your belief system to those entitites, so be it!

Frankly, some of the ardent Hillary supporters here at DU are very disrespectful and dismissive of others opinions. I find that distressing.

[ElizabethDC]

18. I don't think anyone has been crowned yet

if you've watched the news at all in the past few weeks, they've been giving as much attention to Barack as they've been giving to Hillary - they can't mention one without the other. But just because the MSM are focusing on those two doesn't mean that you have to vote for them. I'm aware that I still have the right to make my own decisions.

[wyldwolf]

19. no she hasn't

so there!

[derby378]

8. ???

The main thing for 2008 is for Democrats to take the White House. I'm just not sure Hillary's up to the challenge, no offense. Then again, I'm not sure Obama or Edwards are, either.

[wyldwolf]

11. so who do you think is?

[derby378]

25. Well, that's the problem, isn't it?

My vote is currently going for Gore, but he hasn't even announced an exploratory committee yet, and even he's gonna need some work for the campaign trail.

Our nominee needs to be bulletproof and fearless, no matter who it is. Howard Dean showed us the way with his 2004 bid, and I think our current candidates could learn a lot from his example.

[wyldwolf]

26. You think Al Gore is bulletproof and fearless?

[derby378]

29. You should re-read my post...

I said that he would also need some work if he were to declare his own candidacy.

I was never totally happy with John Kerry's performance against El Diablo - I thought him too conciliatory, BTW.

[Double T]

2. When YOU compare the CLINTONS to the BUSHES..........

YOU finally realize how good it REALLY was during the CLINTON REGIME.

[blm]

4. They know that Bush2 needs Clinton2 to cover for him the way Bush1 had

Clinton1 covering up for him throughout his terms - gotta protect secrecy and privilege - Scaife knows it as well as any other fascist.

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

[wyldwolf]

5. LOL! LOL! LOL!

[blm]

7. In YOUR world, Bill diligently worked to reveal outstanding matters in IranContra,

BCCI and CIA drugrunning? Can you please share the evidence you have seen that showed you Bill did that?

You are welcome to use his book - surely he would have discussed his efforts to bring BushInc to justice over those serious crimes of office in his book, eh? My copy of his book seems to be missing those chapters about his work on those matters.

[wyldwolf]

10. ..but you forgot one thing

[blm]

12. Point out the chapters in his book that informed you what he did. Please share.

.

[wyldwolf]

13. they're making a movie about it

[blm]

24. A movie of Clinton exposing Bush crimes of office or Clinton's work rehabbing

Poppy Bush's legacy with the American public over the last 6 years?

Gee - which segment would have the greatest amount of real life material to draw from, ya think?

Do you know which CHAPTERS from the book they will be using as source material for the part where Clinton diligently works to get the truth to the American people on all the outstanding matters he inherited on IranContra, BCCI and CIA drugrunning when he took office?

[wyldwolf]

27. written by blm and produced by TinFoilHat Productions

[blm]

28. Why not use Clinton's own book, since you believe coverup never happened, then

you must have learned from his book how he DID pursue those outstanding matters he inherited when he took office - so please share with us what you learned.

Because all the evidence I have seen points to Clinton actively covering up for Bush while he was in office, and Clinton actively REHABILIATATING Poppy Bush for the last 6 years out of office.

Please explain what evidence you have seen that proves YOUR belief that Clinton did pursue Bush's crimes of office.

[wyldwolf]

30. ...or we could use TinFoilHat Productions and let you write it. You're good at fiction.

[blm]

31. Then share what YOU know of Clinton's efforts on the matters he inherited

when he took office - IranContra, BCCI, and CIA drugrrunning are three matters that you can start with. What is the REAL story as wyldwolf knows it to be?

Also curious why you never show up on threads where IranContra and BCCI are involved, like the Plame threads. If you have evidence to share that proves that the issues were already dealt with by Bill Clinton, why don't you share it with all the people on those threads who are concerned about the links to today's matters? Don't you think the evidence you have would be a great help? Isn't sharing TRUTH a big part of what DU is about?

Please share with those of us who have wrong information - correct us.

[wyldwolf]

32. I'm sorry. You've been put in charge of this movie project. I can get you a bigger tin foil hat?

[blm]

34. You feel Clinton dealt with Bush's crimes - share what evidence you have.

Clinton's book could help you, eh?

[wyldwolf]

35. ok. We might be able to spring for one of those directors chairs, too.

[BrokenBeyondRepair]

37. ridicule is all ur gonna get on this one.. can't let this become a real debate..

because he/she will lose

take it as a compliment

[wyldwolf]

40. "this one" became a "real debate" the first 20 or so times she posted it

Now people either ignore it or ridicule it.

[blm]

43. Only from those who know ridicule is ALL they have to make themselves

believe that Clinton didn't do what he OBVIOUSLY did, and continues to do - protect BushInc.

Others here know how to comprehend the history provided in the congressional record, in the National Security Archives, and in the last 6 years of Clinton's public appearances, including his over 900 page book.

[BlameCanada12]

45. Please BLM, please do not let these posters get you down.

As the other poster stated, 'take it as a compliment'.

I admire you're tenacity and drive to get the TRUTH out there. Some people are so ashamed, immature, and intellectually dishonest that the TRUTH scares them to the point of ridiculing and attacking others. Don't let that happen here.

I've seen you post more truth here than most.

Take care.

[blm]

50. Thanks - and, no, the truth never changes and it will survive the scorn.

Thankyou for noticing.

[wyldwolf]

47. yeah... there was THIS instance...

How many times have you put this wheeze up in the last week or two? It proves nothing, and simply states that the course adopted was not the one the author would have preferred. Unfortunate for the pride of the author, perhaps, but of no signifigance otherwise.

... He has in this intance reported things that people told him, most of them un-named. Probably he reports what he heard accurately, though he has certainly left himself some room for ornamentation. There is no easy way to assess whether what people told him is true, or even whether they were in a position actually to know the things they claimed to. None of this affects the basic point, which is simply that someone's choosing a course of action different than that Mr. Parry, or you, would have preferred is hardly sufficient grounds to denonce someone as a traitor to the Party and the Constitution.

Why you attach great signifigance to President Clinton making no mention of the Bank of Commerce and Credit International in his memoir escapes me. It was hardly his investigation, after all, and he was not writing a history of the U.S. or the world in the last quarter of the twentieth century.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2981139#2984952

[blm]

51. Why should Bill have mentioned BCCI? Because he INHERITED the outstanding matters

the day he took office. You think BCCI is removed from 9-11, the Iraq war, and even Plame outing? It isn't. And Bill Clinton KNOWS it, just as you do. You just are more committed to protecting Clinton than admitting the truth.

What would you say if GWBush inherited THESE outstanding matters the way he inherited HartRudman Report on Global Terror and never said a word about them?

Which of these matters are you certain have had no relevance from 1993 through to the publishing of Clinton's book in mid2004?


Matters For Further Investigation

There have been a number of matters which the Subcommittee has received some information on, but has not been able to investigate adequately, due such factors as lack of resources, lack of time, documents being withheld by foreign governments, and limited evidentiary sources or witnesses. Some of the main areas which deserve further investigation include:


1. The extent of BCCI's involvement in Pakistan's nuclear program. As set forth in the chapter on BCCI in foreign countries, there is good reason to conclude that BCCI did finance Pakistan's nuclear program through the BCCI Foundation in Pakistan, as well as through BCCI-Canada in the Parvez case. However, details on BCCI's involvement remain unavailable. Further investigation is needed to understand the extent to which BCCI and Pakistan were able to evade U.S. and international nuclear non-proliferation regimes to acquire nuclear technologies.


2. BCCI's manipulation of commodities and securities markets in Europe and Canada. The Subcommittee has received information that remains not fully substantiated that BCCI defrauded investors, as well as some major U.S. and European financial firms, through manipulating commodities and securities markets, especially in Canada, the Netherlands, and Luxembourg. This alleged fraud requires further investigation in those countries.


3. BCCI's activities in India, including its relationship with the business empire of the Hinduja family. The Subcommittee has not had access to BCCI records regarding India. The substantial lending by BCCI to the Indian industrialist family, the Hindujas, reported in press accounts, deserves further scrutiny, as do the press reports concerning alleged kick-backs and bribes to Indian officials.


4. BCCI's relationships with convicted Iraqi arms dealer Sarkis Soghanalian, Syrian drug trafficker, terrorist, and arms trafficker Monzer Al-Kassar, and other major arms dealers. Sarkenalian was a principal seller of arms to Iraq. Monzer Al-Kassar has been implicated in terrorist bombings in connection with terrorist organizations such as the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Other arms dealers, including some who provided machine guns and trained Medellin cartel death squads, also used BCCI. Tracing their assets through the bank would likely lead to important information concerning international terrorist and arms trafficker networks.


5. The use of BCCI by central figures in arms sales to Iran during the 1980's. The late Cyrus Hashemi, a key figure in allegations concerning an alleged deal involving the return of U.S. hostages from Iran in 1980, banked at BCCI London. His records have been withheld from disclosure to the Subcommittee by a British judge. Their release might aid in reaching judgments concerning Hashemi's activities in 1980, with the CIA under President Carter and allegedly with William Casey.


6. BCCI's activities with the Central Bank of Syria and with the Foreign Trade Mission of the Soviet Union in London. BCCI was used by both the Syrian and Soviet governments in the period in which each was involved in supporting activities hostile to the United States. Obtaining the records of those financial transactions would be critical to understanding what the Soviet Union under Brezhnev, Chernenko, and Andropov was doing in the West; and might document the nature and extent of Syria's support for international terrorism.


7. BCCI's involvement with foreign intelligence agencies. A British source has told the Bank of England and British investigators that BCCI was used by numerous foreign intelligence agencies in the United Kingdom. The British intelligence service, the MI-5, has sealed documents from BCCI's records in the UK which could shed light on this allegation.


8. The financial dealings of BCCI directors with Charles Keating and several Keating affiliates and front-companies, including the possibility that BCCI related entities may have laundered funds for Keating to move them outside the United States. The Subcommittee found numerous connections among Keating and BCCI-related persons and entities, such as BCCI director Alfred Hartman; CenTrust chief David Paul and CenTrust itself; Capcom front-man Lawrence Romrell; BCCI shipping affiliate, the Gokal group and the Gokal family; and possibly Ghaith Pharaon. The ties between BCCI and Keating's financial empire require further investigation.


9. BCCI's financing of commodities and other business dealings of international criminal financier Marc Rich. Marc Rich remains the most important figure in the international commodities markets, and remains a fugitive from the United States following his indictment on securities fraud. BCCI lending to Rich in the 1980's amounted to tens of millions of dollars. Moreover, Rich's commodities firms were used by BCCI in connection with BCCI's involving in U.S. guarantee programs through the Department of Agriculture. The nature and extent of Rich's relationship with BCCI requires further investigation.


10. The nature, extent and meaning of the ownership of shares of other U.S. financial institutions by Middle Eastern political figures. Political figures and members of the ruling family of various Middle Eastern countries have very substantial investments in the United States, in some cases, owning substantial shares of major U.S. banks. Given BCCI's routine use of nominees from the Middle East, and the pervasive practice of using nominees within the Middle East, further investigation may be warranted of Middle Eastern ownership of domestic U.S. financial institutions.


11. The nature, extent, and meaning of real estate and financial investments in the United States by major shareholders of BCCI. BCCI's shareholders and front-men have made substantial investments in real estate throughout the United States, owning major office buildings in such key cities as New York and Washington, D.C. Given BCCI's pervasiveness criminality, and the role of these shareholders and front-men in the BCCI affair, a complete review of their holdings in the United States is warranted.


12. BCCI's collusion in Savings & Loan fraud in the U.S. The Subcommittee found ties between BCCI and two failed Savings and Loan institutions, CenTrust, which BCCI came to have a controlling interest in, and Caprock Savings and Loan in Texas, and as noted above, the involvement of BCCI figures with Charles Keating and his business empire. In each case, BCCI's involvement cost the U. S. taxpayers money. A comprehensive review of BCCI's account holders in the U.S. and globally might well reveal additional such cases. In addition, the issue of whether David Paul and CenTrust's political relationships were used by Paul on behalf of BCCI merits further investigation.


13. The sale of BCCI affiliate Banque de Commerce et de Placements (BCP) in Geneva, to the Cukorova Group of Turkey, which owned an entity involved in the BNL Iraqi arms sales, among others. Given BNL's links to BCCI, and Cukorova Groups' involvement through its subsidiary, Entrade, with BNL in the sales to Iraq, the swift sale of BCP to Cukorova just weeks after BCCI's closure -- prior to due diligence being conducted -- raises questions as to whether a prior relationship existed between BCCI and Cukorova, and Cukorova's intentions in making the purchase. Within the past year, Cukorova also applied to purchase a New York bank. Cukorova's actions pertaining to BCP require further investigation in Switzerland by Swiss authorities, and by the Federal Reserve New York.


14. BCCI's role in China. As noted in the chapter on BCCI's activities in foreign countries, BCCI had extensive activity in China, and the Chinese government allegedly lost $500 million when BCCI closed, mostly from government accounts. While there have been allegations that bribes and pay-offs were involved, these allegations require further investigation and detail to determine what actually happened, and who was involved.


15. The relationship between Capcom and BCCI, between Capcom and the intelligence community, and between Capcom's shareholders and U.S. telecommunications industry figures. The Subcommittee was able to interview people and review documents concerning Capcom that no other investigators had to date interviewed or reviewed. Much more needs to be done to understand what Capcom was doing in the United States, the United Kingdom, Egypt, Oman, and the Middle East, including whether the firm was, as has been alleged but not proven, used by the intelligence community to move funds for intelligence operations; and whether any person involved with Capcom was seeking secretly to acquire interests in the U.S. telecommunications industry.


16. The relationship of important BCCI figures and important intelligence figures to the collapse of the Hong Kong Deposit and Guaranty Bank and Tetra Finance (HK) in 1983. The circumstances surrounding the collpase of these two Hong Kong banks; the Hong Kong banks' practices of using nominees, front-companies, and back-to-back financial transactions; the Hong Banks' directors having included several important BCCI figures, including Ghanim Al Mazrui, and a close associate of then CIA director William Casey; all raise the question of whether there was a relationship between these two institutions and BCCI-Hong Kong, and whether the two Hong Kong institutions were used for domestic or foreign intelligence operations.


17. BCCI's activities in Atlanta and its acquisition of the National Bank of Georgia through First American. Although the Justice Department indictments of Clark Clifford and Robert Altman cover portions of how BCCI acquired National Bank of Georgia, other important allegations regarding the possible involvement of political figures in Georgia in BCCI's activities there remain outside the indictment. These allegations, as well as the underlying facts regarding BCCI's activities in Georgia, require further investigation.


18. The relationship between BCCI and the Banca Nazionale del Lavoro. BCCI and the Atlanta Branch of BNL had an extensive relationship in the United States, with the Atlanta Branch of BNL having a substantial number of accounts in BCCI's Miami offices. BNL was, according to federal indictments, a significant financial conduit for weapons to Iraq. BCCI also made loans to Iraq, although of a substantially smaller nature. Given the criminality of both institutions, and their interlocking activities, further investigation of the relationship could produce further understanding of Saddam Hussein's international network for acquiring weapons, and how Iraq evaded governmental restrictions on such weapons acquisitions.


19. The alleged relationship between the late CIA director William Casey and BCCI. As set forth in the chapter on intelligence, numerous trails lead from BCCI to Casey, and from Casey to BCCI, and the investigation has been unable to follow any of them to the end to determine whether there was indeed a relationship, and if there was, its nature and extent. If any such relationship existed, it could have a significant impact on the findings and conclusions concerning the CIA and BCCI's role in U.S. foreign policy and intelligence operations during the Casey era. The investigation's work detailing the ties of BCCI to the intelligence community generally also remains far from complete, and much about these ties remains obscure and in need of further investigation.


20. Money laundering by other major international banks. Numerous BCCI officials told the Subcommittee that BCCI's money laundering was no different from activities they observed at other international banks, and provided the names of a number of prominent U.S. and European banks which they alleged engaged in money laundering. There is no question that BCCI's laundering of drug money, while pervading the institution, constituted a small component of the total money laundering taking place in international banking. Further investigation to determine which international banks are soliciting and handling drug money should be undertaken.

[wyldwolf]

53. after you were taken to the woodshed in that mentioned thread, people just quit trying with you

[blm]

57. They never answered because they had NO CLUE about BCCI at all.

And you all hide behind your snark as if that protects you from the truth.

None of you have anything of substance to reply so you replace it with attacks on me. All any of you did was PROVE you haven't the foggiest notion about BCCI.

[wyldwolf]

58. of course they had a clue. You cut and paste the same bile daily

[blm]

59. Historic facts that matter to us - bile to you because you know it was a colossal

failure of Clinton that hurt this nation in many ways, and no amount of attacks on me will change those facts.

Try this, wyldwolf - Can you state, with YOUR integrity on the line, that you are satisfied that IranContra, BCCI and CIA drugrunning matters that he inherited were handled correctly and thoroughly by Bill Clinton?

[wyldwolf]

61. one writer's conclusion of what he thinks is fact drawn from unnamed sources

[blm]

63. None of you can refute his article honestly. Clinton's book doesn't refute it either.

Unless you have different chapters than the book I read.

Parry tells us what informs him - what facts informed YOU that Clinton DID deal diligently with the outstanding matters he inherited re IranContra, BCCI and CIA drugrunning?

[wyldwolf]

64. Sure. I can used unnamed sources, too. MY unnamed sources say his are full of it.

[blm]

65. Then show us what INFORMED YOU that Clinton diligently pursued the matters left

to his administration regarding IranContra, BCCI and CIA drugrunning.

Shouldn't Clinton's book and his own words be a good place for you to pinpoint that information? I tried finding it in my copy, but, my copy must be missinf some chapters that you have in yours.

Please share HOW you know for certain that Parry is incorrect and that Clinton DID appropriately handle those outstanding matters he inherited.

[wyldwolf]

66. show us REAL NAMED sources that were close enough to him that say he did not

I got a phone call from an unnamed source who says what you've posted is bull shit.

[blm]

67. Clinton's own book is bullshit? Because my copy doesn't include his efforts that you

say he made.

So - please share the chapters YOU have.

You aren't trying to pretend that the BCCI Report that left the Outstanding matters in BCCI are bullshit are you? That report is part of the congressional record you can access through any government or congressional site.

All you have to do is show me where YOU received your information that Clinton dealt with those matters diligently as president, because I didn't see any discussion of it in the copy of his book that I have read. Your version of the book may have it - I must be missing those chapters.

Please share your knowledge on these matters.

[wyldwolf]

70. Robert Parry's article is Bullshit? I said my unnamed sources called your unnamed sources bullshit.

[blm]

71. Robert Parry is a CREDIBLE reporter and has been for 30 years. You have NOTHING to refute him.

And you can't even use Clinton's own book because his book PROVES Parry's assertion - Clinton had NOTHING to write because he chose to IGNORE the outstanding matters on IranContra, BCCI and CIA drugrunning, and his close relationship with the main criminal in those matters can easily lead us to believe that he is protecting him still.

Clinton LOVES Greorge Bush and freely admits so. I don't and want BushInc exposed fully.

[wyldwolf]

72. ...who draws his own conclusions based on unnamed sources.

[blm]

77. You drew a conclusion that Clinton diligently did what Parry said he didn't do. What information

do you have that led to YOUR conclusion that Parry is wrong and Clinton DID diligently deal with the outstanding matters left to him re IranContra, BCCI and CIA drugrunning?

Seems to me that if Clinton DID diligently deal with those matters then there would have been NO Bush2 administration at all, and no 9-11, and no Iraq war. But - since we are experiencing all those realities, then what more proof is needed that the matters were NOT pursued?

[wyldwolf]

78. No I didn't. I said my unnamed sources told me that. And they would know.

[blm]

79. Parry is a trusted source himself - you believe he is incorrect - explain WHY you drew a

different conclusion.

[wyldwolf]

80. I drew a different conclusion because my unnamed sources told me Parry's were bogus

[blm]

81. Did you employ your own knowledge of recent history as part of your conclusion?

Did you employ what you learned from Clinton's book?

[wyldwolf]

82. didn't have to. My unnamed sources told me all I needed to know.

[blm]

84. Really tried to give you the encouragement to make a case for why Parry is incorrect but

you really just insist on proving that you have no working knowledge of these issues.

[wyldwolf]

85. I did. My unnamed sources said his unnamed sources are wrong.

[blm]

86. Robert Parry's conclusions vs. wyldwolf's conclusions. Who has shown 30+ years of integrity

and commitment to the truth about this nation's governance?

[wyldwolf]

87. Unnamed sources are easily discredited no matter who cites them

[blm]

89. You have no case to make for Clinton's negligence. You prove it in every post you made here.

.

[wyldwolf]

90. there is no case to be made for any negligence by Clinton

[blm]

91. Then show his diligent effort - he forgot to mention it in his book.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x252817

[wyldwolf]

92. my unnamed sources say there was no case to be made

[Radical Activist]

44. Childish and lame.

A fact was stated and you responded with nothing.

[wyldwolf]

48. The only thing childish and lame is her repetition of this day in and day out.

Thus far, no FACTS have been stated. When she has anything beyond Bob Parry's reporting of things unnamed people have told him, let me know.

[BrokenBeyondRepair]

20. this rabbit hole is quite deep.. if one cares enough to take a peek

unfortunately americans have been dumbed down to the point where critical analysis is immediately categorized w/ conspiracy theory..

fuck it; the ship sinks regardless..

[wyldwolf]

21. rabbit holes are made deeper when innuendo, unnamed sources, and conclusion arrived from such...

...are the basis.

[BrokenBeyondRepair]

23. if you say so..n/t

[blm]

33. Then correct what you claim is wrong. Clinton's book would help you out, eh?

.

[wyldwolf]

36. tin foil hat on a tad too tight today, eh?

[BrokenBeyondRepair]

39. seems like an easy question; i dare you to answer it..

[wyldwolf]

41. why would I answer my own question?

[BrokenBeyondRepair]

52. the question/request you have been avoiding

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3121379&mesg_id=3121723

[wyldwolf]

54. This has been addressed with her repeatedly. The fact you've missed...

..does not mean it has not happened. This bile gets dragged up in almost every Clinton thread. People have quit trying to reason with her.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2981139#2984952

It is amazing how turf and cliques are so vehemently defended at DU that people fail to check the facts and take people at their word with no corroborating evidence when it is something they're desperate to hear.

[BrokenBeyondRepair]

55. translation: YOU have ridiculed her on other threads for attempting to discuss a serious issue..

you are very transparent.

good luck & l8r

[wyldwolf]

56. translation: MANY have tried to reason with her to the point it becomes a parody.

you are very transparent.

good luck & l8r

[SOS]

14. International Herald Tribune edited this article.

Here's the full David Kirkpatrick article as presented in today's NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/19/us/politics/19clinton.html?ref=politics

The vrwc is just laying low until a clear nominee emerges. As the article points out, "Republicans say her candidacy is the best hope to reunify their party."
Or as Ed Rogers has said repeatedly "She's our dream candidate".

Here's a line from the NYT version which was omitted in the IHT version:

"Mr. Viguerie, speaking by phone from a meeting at the office of a founding father of the conservative movement, Paul Weyrich, said they would attack Mrs. Clinton with everything they had."

The right-wingers believe Hillary is their "best hope" and plan on a massive onslaught in the event she is the nominee.
Their silence now is strategy, not a case of "losing steam".

[Radical Activist]

46. Thanks. That's an important clarification. n/t

[Clark2008]

83. Wow!!!

Talk about a "gotcha."

Great find, SOS! :applause:

[ulysses]

15. Scaife approves of the BC presidency.

I'll just let that stand, sans comment.

[SaveElmer]

17. A prime example...

Of why Hillary is our best bet for victory...

[oasis]

22. The Clintons will rapidly assemble a team that can repair America.(eom)

[JNelson6563]

38. They will love her

right up until she wins the nomination. :popcorn:

Julie

[zulchzulu]

42. This Rosy Scenario message that would make Neville Chamberlain proud brought to you by...

...people who think that the anti-Clinton people will not attack Mrs. Clinton relentlessly up to Election Day. I would imagine that negative ads and mobilized Righties would certainly make sure that as many that can vote...do vote.

Other candidates will get negative treatment as well, but I would imagine that once the reality of Election Day is within sight, all bets are on the fact that the Republican Machine will be on full demonization mode on any possibility of ANY Clinton getting back into the White House.

As Chamberlain said when he met Hitler in 1938: "I believe it is peace for our time . . . peace with honour.”

The only way that Republicans will not fully mobilize against a Mrs. Clinton candidacy is if she moves more to the right on issues. They can't pin her on her belief that flag burning should be a federal crime, for instance...

[AtomicKitten]

49. no worries, wyldwolf

There's plenty of anti-HRC steam to be had here at DU.

[AZBlue]

60. HA! Took the words right out of my mouth!

That's exactly what I was going to write. Great (and sane) minds think alike.

[Tesha]

62. Ahh, a ploy to sucker the DLCers. Well, that's no surprise, is it? (NT)

[fuzzyball]

68. No shyt...Hillary R Clinton 45%, Barack H Obama 12% based on

AVERAGE of 8 polls! This can't be pooh-poohed as some
isolated one poll results.

[elizm]

74. Here's a different poll...

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Political%20Tracking/Democratic%20Primaries/DemocraticPresidentialPrimary.htm

2008 Democratic Presidential Primary

Clinton 28% Obama 24% Edwards 11%

[wyldwolf]

76. the 8 poll average includes Rasmussen

[thoughtcrime1984]

88. Well then, take out the Rasmussen poll, and you have

Hil up about 50%-%10 over Obama. Yup, our new president has already been elected, you saw it here first! Oh well, at least Barack came in second....inevitably.

[geek tragedy]

69. Clinton-fatigue works both ways. eom

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