This post to some might look like it is coming from way out...

[oldtimecanuk]

in left field.... but here goes anyway....

Looking back to 2000 and forward from there I can't help thinking that this picture was put together years and years ago.... In other words this whole scenario was blueprinted by some unknown force long before our lives.
Why else would this Administration still be squatting in the White House, without a total on-mass demonstration bordering on armed civil disobedience in the US? I just don't believe that things are happening like they are, without serious, serious outrage by the American people out on the streets.

I guess what I am saying is that a power much stronger than what we currently have on earth is responsible for all of this (sorta like is talked about in the bible, but not necessarily God like as such) At times, I feel we are nothing more than a flea on a dogs back, and that as much as we bitch and complain about what is going on, it is destined to happen, and there is nothing we can do about it.

ww

[oldtimecanuk]

1. I will spice the pot a little more by adding a few URL's that ...

I have been recently looking at, while trying my damnedest to figure life in general out these days with the Bush Administration and there totally fucked up movements.

http://www2.oprah.com/tows/slide/200702/20070215/slide_20070215_284_106.jhtml

http://www.afterlife101.com/

http://www.spiritualresearchfoundation.org/

Just some food for thought, and I realize that I will probably get my ass flamed off, but hey I can take it....

ww

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. You need to check out

the research on the meaning of the Mayan Calendar. There's a coupld free videos you can download there that I think you may find very interesting.

http://www.mayanmajix.com

[AX10]

3. Mayan culture is absolutely fasinating.

[Mind_your_head]

4. Are you suggesting that this is a "spiritual battle"?

If you are, I would agree.

Peace,
M_Y_H

[oldtimecanuk]

6. I don't know if it is a Spiritual battle, but I certainly feel that there is..

something going on out there that is indeed evil, ie: Bush, Cheney, and his total Administration..... But my thoughts are this, Republicans like Boner, Blunt, and many others are there to enable this Administration to carry on. Theres just something that I find very bazaar about this, and my belief is that it is not of this earth, or it was written before....
One other thing that comes to mind... I don't know how many of you remember the newspaper pictures that came out during 911 where the so called ghosts showed up in the smoke.... very bazaar.

ww

[butterfly77]

8. I agree with you on that...

and I always try to tell my self , everything happens for a reason as much as I hate that it is happening...But, I do believe that it has something to do with the bible...

[Mind_your_head]

9. I don't know about the "ghosts in the smoke"......

but I do believe that we have to worry about the "Master of Deceit".

[oldtimecanuk]

12. Here is a picture of The so called Ghost in the Smoke...

Following the WTC Whatever happened!

ww

[Mind_your_head]

18. Interesting....however, I'm more interested in how "the deceiver" opperates

A good deceiver, for instance, doesn't break into a jewelry store and steal all of the most expensive watches.....oh no.

A 'good'/clever thief will break into a jewelry shop and change the prices of the cheap watches with the prices of the expensive/well-made watches and then in the morning approach the proprieter and buy all of the 'cheaply priced' watches (which are REALLY the valuable ones).

Think about that ~ think about the proprietor's reluctance to ADMIT that he'd been FOOLED and ROBBED....and apply that to AMERICA! The "great deceiver" has more power than just 'dust in the wind' or 'faces in the smoke'.

The "mistake" is with the proprietor b/c he didn't catch the scam, isn't it. It's a bait-and-switch.

WE are the proprietor's of this nation. And WE have caught this scam. So, do your DUTY as a citizen (each and every one of us) and say, "ENOUGH"!

[jakem]

5. not that this is meant as a flame as such...

but i think the theory is a load of crap.

the administration is in power without significnt challenge because of a kind of confluence of apathy, economic struggle which keeps many of us focused on the small picture of survival, and cultural distraction.

while this could all be occurring as an act of god (or whatever), it happens to be the same set of factors that keep millions of people glued to american idol, anna nicole smith, and whatever 'reality' is happening on tv today.

i prefer to think that god's (or whatever's) plan for us is not just watching bad tv and suffering fools in government.


but then what do i know.

[oldtimecanuk]

7. Hey your entitled to your opinion, but there are many out there...

that would disagree with you. My postings are JMHO of course...

ww

[jakem]

14. I completely respect that.

and I completely respect your right to say it.
i was just giving a counterpoint.

the use of the word 'crap' was a bit lazy of me, I apologize.

[oldtimecanuk]

15. No offense taken.... eom

[oldtimecanuk]

10. One other thing all... the prompting for my OP was due to the...

show that Oprah is doing today. She has psychic John Edwards, Allison Dubois (The psychic behind the TV show Medium). So although some of you might think that I am totally crazy, Oh what the hell, I am totally crazy...

ww

[Larry Ogg]

11. Don’t worry about God, worry about what we do and the men we give the power to destroy the Earth!

Things that are going on now have been in the making for a long time and history repeats itself, so knowing the past might make the future a little easier to predict. People think about Armageddon as something that God does and man can’t do anything about it. But God doesn’t have to start Armageddon in fact forget about what God can do because man now has the ability to do any thing as bad as any god, and that’s what we need to worry about. Let me emphasize don’t worry about God, worry about what we do and the men we give the power to destroy the Earth! And as far as a power much stronger than we, that may be our only hope, because few men dare look outside the allowed box as you have…

By the way I have read the Bible many many times, and I have no doubt in my mind that the fundamentalist do not have a clue about the teachings of Jesus Christ… Let alone much of anything else…

[nuxvomica]

13. I briefly mentioned what I think is the cycle in another thread

An egalitarian movement creates great prosperity and subsequent complacency. The situation is then ripe for sociopaths to manipulate a society so that they can acquire most of its wealth. This results in greate economic imbalance which drains the resources of the nation until the people lose their complacency and fight back, creating a new egalitarian state that continues the cycle. I think we need to fear our own complacency more than anything else.

[Larry Ogg]

19. And it makes me cringe at politicians like the “chimp decider” that talk about how all men are

created equal, and that no man is above the law, which is total bullshit. There all wrapped up in the American flag while holding a cross in one hand and the shredded constitution in the other, all while cramming stolen resources from the poor of other countries, down the throats of happy consumers at a ball game, getting ripe for the... Let’s call it a surprise!

Could you possible give me the link to the other thread you mentioned, or can I find it your journal?

[nuxvomica]

20. It was a thread about ponerology, the science of evil

Here's the link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=262414&mesg_id=262414

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."
I heard that quoted on the Franken show recently when Joe Conasen was talking about his new book about the Sinclair Lewis novel, "It Can't Happen Here."

[Larry Ogg]

21. That’s a little… coincidence…

I missed that Franken show and never heard of Joe Conasen that I know of. But like I mentioned previously about looking outside the permitted box, things get a lot more… clearer! And the obvious is there if one chooses to look for it, and I’ll leave at that for now.
I read the link to your previous post, and thanks. “Wow”, I’ll be busy researching it tomorrow, and look forward to discussing this subject further.

[nuxvomica]

23. I should've indicated that the quote was attributed to Lewis

In the 1930s. You had either heard it before and half forgot it or you were just plain describing what's happening now and proved how disturbingly prophetic the quote was. Regardless, it's a sign we are in trouble and need to pay attention to history. There's nothing unique about these times as you can tell from my sig line.

[Larry Ogg]

26. I started a poem of sort in 1980. Its called "Jiants of Words and Power". It started out like this.

I have seen men giants of words and power in many high places putting lids on those whose feet run to expose there many faces.

It goes on to say: Which I wrote about three years ago.

Dissenting voices silenced as truth despairs the shameless tyrants. Wolves in sheep’s clothing, cloaked in religious fever and patriotic reveling too deceive the faithful and the just.

And it ends so far with this, thanks to the conversation I had with you and this link you provided. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Here’s the ending still in progress though, might change it but don't know yet…
ware nature cannot, nor a mighty god save the future of man for mans fate now rest with men!
I hope you enjoyed the preview as none of this has ever been published until now.

Also have you checked out http://www.worldnewstrust.com/ ,it’s a new site and I really feel good about it. I also bought the book “Political Ponerology.” Again thanks for the links…

[nuxvomica]

31. That's a great first line

You should finish up the whole poem and post it. Goodness, you take a long time to write a poem! ;-) I'm intrigued by the ponerology book but haven't gotten around to purchasing it. I'm such a slacker compared to folks like you.

[Book Lover]

16. Hardly a supernatural force - think about it this way

In my family, we make 50- and 100-year plans as well as our short-term ones (due to certain real property we are responsible for). Ratchet that thinking up a notch, replace my family with one that has wealth and social power, go back 100 or so years to the robber baron era, when our modern world was formed, and hey presto! you have today's America: crumbling infrastructure, gutted educational system, broken social safety net, and a military-industrial complex that is given nearly half of your federal tax burden.

[oldtimecanuk]

17. NO.. You have a George W Bush and his wonderful Administration....

that the American people let steal elections, and remain in power to threaten everyone else in the world. That about sums it up as far as every other nation is concerned in the world. November 7/07 the American people say, Ok you assholes enough is enough, get this asswipe and his minions outta there, and what do we get..... A fucking Non-Binding resolution that is going no where.... This is just absolute Bullshit IMO....

ww

[blm]

25. The FASCIST AGENDA, brought to you by BushInc, enabled by coverup Democrats

who tell us to move on past BushInc's crimes of office.

This gang should have been taken down in 1993 - that's what an anti-corruption, open government Democrat would have done.

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

[Vidar]

22. I agree that there is a power of evil which this administration has

tapped into thoroughly, especially through its combination of blind faith & corruption.

[PassingFair]

24. All it takes is for good people to do NOTHING.

The bad guys have driven a truck RIGHT DOWN MAIN STREET
and CLEANED US OUT.

Everyone was too busy watching TV and worrying about
their potential "death tax" burden....

[Vidar]

30. You're right.

[GreenEyedLefty]

27. Think about the pre-Revolutionary war days

<Why else would this Administration still be squatting in the White House, without a total on-mass demonstration bordering on armed civil disobedience in the US?>

Thomas Paine said that in order for people to act against tyranny, they have to *feel* it. Notice that Bush's messages concerning terrorism and the war in Iraq say nothing about sacrifices of individual Americans. In fact, he encourages free spending, big SUV-driving, and his administration tells everyone to "move on, there is nothing to see here" when questioned about the Iraq war. Or he bitches when the media can't find anything positive to say...

People just haven't "felt" it - yet.

[PATRICK]

28. Every dictator

has been amazed by how much simple possession of power entitles one to more. Since they see that their criminal ways are successful in co-opting legitimacy it is a constant progress of fear and disbelief at daring being rewarded until total arrogance sets in and quite likely insanity. The people who acquiesce will pass on their insanity to their leader eventually.

The destructive cycle has reached its apotheosis in the uncharismatic boob named Bush. All the dark forces and makers and shakers on the top for decades of my life had this mystique and concomitant despair by the masses. Now it is an empty clownsuit that frauds we had minimal respect for bare their bottoms to.
The sad charades of ten thousand years have been revealed as a swindle. The doom of a con game of "civilization" the "world" and the "elite". Like R.J Reynolds prophets proclaim on street corners with clapboard signs- it is a matter of choice. We choose to go along and get along and killers choose to cull us for money.

Destiny is always in the hands of an individual who gains(takes in) the public trust. We need more individuals and a lot less super institutional loyalty. We need to support compassion and law more than anything else or any other individual. We will get nothing for doing less than earlier and more miserable deaths and more intervening misery and fear. Therefore there is nothing to really lose than the composure of the moment and the illusion of the "greater world" that exists only by an act of public will. That and war and greed and despair and perhaps a small refuge.

[SteppingRazor]

29. To quote Freddy Krueger: "Sorry kid, I don't believe in fairy tales."

The idea that our entire lives are preordained seems like hogwash, and even if you believe it, to point out events inside that preordained fate as being examples of the preordained fate is circular logic.

But moving beyond that, there's all sorts of reasons why there's no "armed civil disobedience" against Bush. I mean, hell, the government has been far more repressive at other points in its history, and there was no armed insurrection then. Look at the government's assistance in stamping out union activity at the turn of the last century, for example.

My point is, there are many, many terrestrial, logical answers to the question "Why ... would this Administration still be squatting in the White House, without a total on-mass demonstration bordering on armed civil disobedience in the US?" without having to attribute matters to some cosmic, supernatural destiny.