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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:59 AM
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Is Kerry Republican "lite" or an extreme leftist?
Depends on whom you ask. I am amused to read on these pages that Kerry is a Republican 'lite" while in today's issue of the ultra conservative Orange County Register http://www2.ocregister.com/ocrweb/ocr/section.do?section=COMMENTARY&year=2004&month=2&day=11 the political cartoon depicts him as "Jane Fonda Kerry."

I don't know how to post it but it will be on that page today until it will be updated tomorrow.

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virtualobserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:01 PM
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1. he was a liberal
I'm not sure exactly what he is now.
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Mass_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:03 PM
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3. same here
he has had a great liberal record for most of his Senate years. In this last couple of years, however, his convictions seemed to have fizzled.
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RedSox02 Donating Member (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:02 PM
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2. Maybe the "Jane Fonda" crowd
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 12:03 PM by RedSox02
needs to realize that the photo of Kerry standing about twenty feet away from Fonda in a big crowd was taken two years before FOnda went to Vietnam. Kerry had nothing to do with that stunt, and nothing to do with Fonda after it.
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cheezus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:03 PM
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4. He's a liberal who wants to get elected
Then we'll wait and see what he DOES
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virtualobserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:13 PM
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10. what you project while you are running....
is your mandate.

I want someone who leads America in a better direction.

Kerry's statement that he might be in favor of a Constitutional amendment (depending on the wording) banning gay marriage is not leadership.

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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:05 PM
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5. You've got the answer.
The repugs, no matter if they nominate a dead dog to run will bash Kerry with extreme leftist labels all the way to November. It's already on Faux. As for reality, I think Kerry's nomination will not cause many of the moneyed elite in this country to lose sleep.
That's why his chances are good.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:08 PM
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6. Doesn't really matter to me
Since he's not my choice.

I'll vote for him regardless in the GE.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:08 PM
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7. Thank You For The Demonstration, Sir
Despite the protestations of some here, there is no doubt that Sen. Kerry is perceived by the general public as a person of the left, and that he will be portrayed by the enemy as a creature of the extreme left. Providing that our left radicals are actually wiling to bite the bullet and vote for him, as a figure who is at last marginally less reactionary than the criminals of the '00 Coup, it might actually be of some use to have criticism of Sen. Kerry as no leftist from such sources in circulation: it could help make the enemy's attack line look foolish and exaggerated....

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:08 PM
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8. Say it with me now...
God bless Dennis Kucinich! :)
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YouMustBeKiddingMe Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:09 PM
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9. Depends on whether the attack is from a Republican or a Dean supporter
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:19 PM
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11. He is neither
He is a liberal leaning Democrat but he made a mistake by voting for this unlawful war with the administration. This mistake is why many people are distrustful of him.

He is now the ideological ancestor of many well-meaning moderate and liberal law-makers who did not have the guts to vote against the Vietnam war whom he rightly protested on his return from that unjust war.
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RichM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:24 PM
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12. His IWR vote was not a "mistake." It was a calculated move, with his
eye always on a run for the presidency. That's the kind of guy Kerry is - someone who would give Bush a blank check for a criminal war, because he thought such a vote would position him more favorably, once campaign season got underway.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:32 PM
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13. In My Book, Mr. M
That calculation counts as rather a plus.

Politics is a craft and a trade; it can only be practiced with any hope of success by its real rules.

The invasion of Iraq would have occured regardless of that vote, and a number of Democratic Party figures well to the right of Mr. Kerry and certain to vote for the resolution, gauranteed its passage in any case. Professionals do not make death stands, my friend; only amatuers do.

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:57 PM
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14. Cartoon shmartoon. Photo of Rumsfeld and Saddam. nuff said...n/t
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 01:02 PM
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15. Personal account of Kerry losing idealism in 1983. very sad...
(This is a personal account from a member of the American Friends Service Committee that my father sent to me to warn me not to expect much from Kerry by way of policy change. And there's worse...)

"...what Kerry did and told me in 1983 (not to mention two decades of compromised behavior since) it has little to do with him as a presidential candidate. Back then, as Lieutenant Governor, Kerry played an important role in Senator Kennedy’s effort to convince the Reagan Administration to choose Boston as the Homeport for the planned Battleship Iowa naval flotilla. The central weapons system of that flotilla was to be the nuclear-armed Tomahawk cruise missile. That the deployment of these weapons was a violation of the Nuclear Weapons Freeze which Kerry and Kennedy ostensibly supported, that these weapons made war with the Soviet Union more likely, that the Navy has a long history of nuclear weapons accidents, and that the homeport was to be located at the end of a busy runway at Boston’s Logan Airport (and thus carried the danger of a catastrophic nuclear weapons accident,) were of no consequence for Kerry as he made his political calculations.

Along with Tony Palomba of Mobilization for Survival, I led the successful opposition to the Homeporting campaign. At one point I had a one on four meeting with Kerry, two of his aides, and one of (then) Governor Dukaukis’ aides. During that meeting, every time I asked Kerry a question about the dangers and roles of the nuclear armed Tomahawks and the flotilla itself, he answered by saying “As an old Navy hand…” you have nothing to fear, or “As an old Navy hand…” it’s not a problem.

Seeing that he was hardly about to give an inch, I explained that I remembered what he had said and had done as he organized and worked with Vietnam Vets Against the War, and I asked him how what he was telling me squared with what he had said then. A long and excruciating silence followed, during which it seemed that we could hear dust fall on the floor boards of his State House office.


Finally, he broke the painful silence and said “The name of the game is different now.”



That my friends is the Senator Kerry that many of us here in Massachusetts have come to know over the past two decades.



In addition to needing hard and clear statements of policy from Kerry now as a candidate, we also need to be educating and organizing so that if we are fortunate enough not to be saddled with the imperial Texas Mafia beginning in 2005, that we are ready to confront and move a Democratic Administration which would come to power in the tradition of those that have launched imperial wars, refused to implement the NPT, and practiced “coercive diplomacy” with nuclear threats and blackmail, and urged funding for so-called “missile defenses” and the militarization of space.

Sorry to be an iconoclast, but illusions will kill us…and many others."
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