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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:06 AM
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Atlant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:09 AM
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1. My working theory has always been that the Media wants a horse race.
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 11:10 AM by Atlant
My working theory has always been that the Media wants a horse race.

They can sell more copies of The Daily Fishwrap if the
candidates are perceived as being neck-and-neck, so they "tune"
the coverage to try to achieve that result.

If my nag gets too far in front, then they give some positive
spin to your nag and negative to mine. And vice-versa.

Of course, in the General Election, they still want a horse
race, but they know that they also want one particular nag to
win by a nose in a photo-finish (and now, preferably in Florida).

Atlant
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:09 AM
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2. I agree completely.
There is no grand conspiracy on the part of the media. Like always they want a story. They report on the front runners and they report the gaffs. It's always been that way and it always will be that way.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:09 AM
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3. when it came down to it
the media seemed to really only make an impact once people were voting. Before that not many people paid attention, anyway.

It's kind of like the GE. The media spin hasn't really begun on that. Not much, anyway.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:24 AM
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8. All the More Reason For More Than Kerry

I agree, the media likes a race.It is a long way from now to July.If Kerry is the only one out there, there is no RACE in the Democratic Party. So Kerry will get very boring for 5 months.
That is too long to have Kerry hanging out there.

Bush will have the power of his office and his huge WAR Chest. Kerry will be paying for commercials. The cheapest free commercial would be two voices, at least, coming from the Democratic Party -still racing to the finish line until July.

I wish those voices would be CLARK and KERRY.But I can possibly see Kerry and Edwards pounding on Bush day and night.

Since I believe in ABB or rather ABBAR(but a Republican) I can get behind most scenarios.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:13 AM
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4. That's right
That is when they were somewhat reflecting the truth.
Kerry would still be the failure if the media hadn't conspired to kill Dean--something they as much admited. And then we find the media is bankrolling Kerry. And guess what? Kerry is still a loser. Just like bush is a loser, but has media tephlon.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:17 AM
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5. I think Dean was a Washington outsider. He had ideas
for the people. He was going to get to the bottom of 9-11. He was going to be a peoples president. He was going to try to break up media monopolies and reduce the percentage of the pie a media conglomerate can own. Kerry is business as usual from a Washington perspective. That will be refreshing after Bush, but it's the same old song. We won't have a government of the people, just more big business and a few crumbs for the rest of us.

However, ABB! Even the donkey!
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Shanty Oilish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:01 PM
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14. Another same old song---"People's President"
He wants to break up monopolies, end war and poverty and bring a golden age of Justice to the world. Do you know how old this tune is? Much older than any of us, but I haven't danced to it since 1972. For me, it was stale when Outsider Carter trotted it out.

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Punkingal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:21 AM
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6. I agree...
The media acted in character. They behaved the way they always behave.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:30 AM
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11. What they succeeding in doing was to scare people away
from Dean.

They marginalized him by their round the clock attack. They strung him with the scarlet letter--except this time the letter is "A" for anger which equals unelectable. It was a public humiliation, an ostracizing. Now ask me who that was serving? And now ask me if I am going to vote for who that served.

It was a human disgrace and even if the rest of y'all are denying it, it strikes a deep chord of disgust in me that I am just not willing to get over and move on.
Shame on you, if you are.
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:22 AM
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7. "press has been both positive and negative to all the candidates."
Only if your 'all' doesn't include Kucinich, to whom the major media has been uniformly negative.
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tameszu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:24 AM
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9. What you say is true
But the media still decided the race because they went positive on Kerry at the right time.

This is why I very scared--Kerry may have been the best Dem in the race and would have won anyway if the press hadn't injected its special sauce, but we will never know that for sure; and although all candidates try very hard to manage the media, it is to a massive degree out of their control. We have no idea if the press and the "cool kid" pundits will turn around and Gore Kerry the moment he has the nomination.
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Atlant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:48 AM
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13. I'm pretty sure we actually *DO* know that answer.
> We have no idea if the press and the "cool kid" pundits will
> turn around and Gore Kerry the moment he has the nomination.

I'm pretty sure we actually *DO* know that answer.
And we won't like it once it's proven out. :(

Atlant
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SoFlaJets Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:28 AM
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10. My theory
is that there is a higher power at work here.Dean looked unstoppable and we were liking him around this house.JK somehow came back and looks poised to blow out Bush.We need to keep talking and not just here, ENGAGE people in political conversations one on one.That's what I have been doing-ask them if they're registered,make comments out loud "Kerry looks good Bush is an idiot and is about to go down"or"did you hear that he said that outsourcing jobs overseas is GOOD for America"and "Hey kid how old are you?Guess what if Bush is re(ahem)elected you're going to be in Iraq-DRAFTED"these are my tactics-used them today in fact.Get this kind of stuff out there in the air dems we have a great ally working on our side this time fate and HP
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Virgil Donating Member (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:39 AM
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12. The media needs busting up
The issue with the media is that five companies control almost all of the media in the country and need busting up. The media is preemtimg the presidential race like a soap opera. The attempt is not to discuss issues. David Letterman has a Top 10 list about every night he is on, but does one media conglomerate have a Top 10 list for the issues before us? Of course not?
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:15 PM
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15. You need to think a little harder. The real question is, "why?"
And the answer is becuase the want to exert their influence on the process, and do.

An even scarier question is who are they exerting their influence on the process for? That answer is obvious.
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