*****Official House Debate on Iraq War Thread 5******

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

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[POAS]

1. Rec'd and

ya beat me to it!

[quiet.american]

2. Thanks, "RIC" -- just got back to my desk. n/t

[quiet.american]

3. Alright! -- one of our local guys -- Nadler (D-NY) -- is up.

[AndyA]

4. Recommendation #4. n/m

[Bobbie Jo]

5. Let me get this straight...

If the question is support of the Surge, how does an amendment that goes to continued funding make a damn bit if difference whether the surge is a good or a bad idea?

You either support it, or you don't.:shrug:

[fuzzyball]

35. Surge will go on as planned, unless funding is cut of...so this is

a lot of PR and hot air with no consequences.

[rodeodance]

45. Repugs have to toss in a few lies to complicte the issue

[Joanne98]

6. rec five.

[goclark]

7. 5 R and now let the Democrats start kicking nt

[ncrainbowgrrl]

8. Rep. Etheridge (D-NC--02)

[ncrainbowgrrl]

11. "I took the president at his word--- whatever that was worth."

[POAS]

12. Failure has gone unchecked

[rodeodance]

9. thanks for new thread. Great Dem speaking now

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

10. I needed it - I only have audio and I can't always

tell who is speaking. I can tell they are Repukes by the talking points, however LOL

[ncrainbowgrrl]

14. Conservative Dem- this is a BIG speech from him,.

[AndyA]

13. Bob Etheridge (D-North Carolina) throwing it all back in Bush's face

"I voted to oust Saddam Hussein because Bush told me he was a grave and gathering threat to the United States."

That's right. BUSH LIED TO CONGRESS. Their vote was based on information they should have been able to trust.

The only mistake made by Congress was believing that Bush was honest and trustworthy!

[ncrainbowgrrl]

15. Oh yuck- ed royce r-ca

[ncrainbowgrrl]

16. kick to the top

:kick:

[ncrainbowgrrl]

17. "supercharged" (ahhh, new words from the rethugs)

[quiet.american]

18. It is so disgusting to hear from politicians about how the Iraqis won't "step up."

We invaded their sovereign nation and tore it apart based on a pack of lies, and now we complain that they won't "step up to the plate" to get their lives together? Something's really wrong with this kind of thinking.

[Webster Green]

73. And some of the dems are spouting that BS too!

Arrogant and clueless!

[AndyA]

19. Joe Baca (D-California) up. Voted NO in 2002!

Thank you, Joe!

[AndyA]

20. Who is the gray haired man sitting behind Baca?

He really looks disgusted. Not sure if it's at what Baca is saying or not.

[AndyA]

25. Just got the answer: Lantos. I guess he's on our side.

Probably disgusted at having to sit in the same room with so many REPUBLICANS repugnant people.

[Trouser Trout]

22. Catching only bits and pieces

But seems like a lot of Dems are military vets.Where are the Repubs who served, or is that not their style?

[AndyA]

23. Baca: "This is a desperate attempt by an administration that cannot admit it made a mistake."

GO JOE! THE TRUTH HURTS!!

[w8liftinglady]

21. The Democratic Veterans have been so eloquent-

Baca is doing a great job-they are showing they aren't just posers.

[justiceischeap]

24. Wexler "This administration invented links from Iraq to Al Quaeda"

Hard language from him, love it!

[Trouser Trout]

26. Wexler is kicking ass and taking no prisoners ! n/t

[AndyA]

27. Wexler (D-Florida) up now.

"Administration continues its defiant disregard for the will of the American people"

"This President is now doubling down on a bad debt..."

"To try again is to act in blind faith, ignoring the facts, the experts, the will of the American people..."

"I only wish we were voting on a BINDING resolution to cut off funds to move more troops into Iraq..."

[Quakerfriend]

29. We love you Mr. Wexler! Thx for doing the work of the

people for the past 6 yrs.

[rodeodance]

33. I second that E-motion.!!

[AndyA]

28. Boustany (A-Louisiana) up now.

I wonder if he ever served his country. Prick.

[halobeam]

31. and now Woolsey.....

[rodeodance]

30. a big REC

[Trouser Trout]

36. Who's that idiot Gresham saying the only way in Iraq is victory?

He got applause( probably his mother )

[w8liftinglady]

32. Lynn Woolsey up

[rodeodance]

34. a great woman

[halobeam]

37. nice point she's making...

construction perm. bases for US is what is FUELS the hate and violence towards us.

[rodeodance]

38. "the Iraq NIGHTMARE" is how she describes this mess.

[rodeodance]

39. says we "Must find alternatives to WAR"

[quiet.american]

40. Thank you, Rep. Scott , for calling out Repubs on their lies!

Calling them out on lying about Dems wanting to cut funds for troops who are already deployed.

[rodeodance]

42. sure has been a pac of them the last few hours!!

[quiet.american]

44. Woot. Scott is an excellent speaker, too. n/t

[rodeodance]

41. This REs is not about pulling out troops immediately nor is it about cutting

funds for troops in the field.

He is dissiing concress critters who go up on the floor and say that!

[halobeam]

43. I LIKE this guy

21,500 is NOT true number.. it begins with deception.. it's actually 45,000!

[halobeam]

46. Sue Myrick.... OMG she's got the taste in her mouth for

multi generational war.. saying this is just the beginning.. our children will be in this fight... she's might as well pause to lick her lips.

[quiet.american]

47. Still linking 9/11 to Iraq... she is an assclown-ess extraordinaire. n/t

[halobeam]

50. I've got to go take a shower..

YUCK.

[Check12]

49. The repugs are drumming up a war with Iran

I am sickened by this woman!

[AndyA]

48. Myrick: whine, whine, whine. Misery, death, terror, blah blah blah.

Warning Will Robinson! Warning! Danger ahead! Whiny assed Repuke at the podium!!!

[quiet.american]

51. She is disgusting. Completely twisting this resolution into something very ugly

[rodeodance]

53. somehow, for me, it is worse when this barf comes from a woman. I had

not listened to her before.

[AndyA]

52. Cummings (D-Maryland) up now. Speaking the truth.

I don't know much about him, but he demands respect.

Speaking the truth clearly and without whining makes a point so much better. Contrast: whiny Myrick who was up before him.

[rodeodance]

54. "the voters spoke in November" he says (but Bush/repugs have their

earplugs in.

[rodeodance]

55. Repug up now say Dems have NO PLAN.--except to LEAVE

[BlueStater]

57. Lying their asses off as usual, eh? n/t

[AndyA]

56. Up now: Weldon (A-Florida)

The contrast between the Dems and the Repukes is so startling.

The Dems speak with force, with clarity.

The Repukes whine, and are mealy-mouthed.

It's really shocking!

Oh, and now we've WON THE WAR IN IRAQ according to this asshat. Now we have to "WIN THE PEACE."

Am I detecting yet another new useless slogan from the right?

Oh, and this isn't Viet Nam...what an idiot!

[AndyA]

58. More whining. Whine, whine, whine.

How pathetic. What loosers.

[AndyA]

59. Meeks (D-New York) now up. And he has visual aids!

What a concept: come prepared to prove your point. How refreshing.

[AndyA]

60. I like this guy!

He's throwing all of Bush's useless words back in Shrub's face!

"Mission accomplished..."

"Bring it on..."

[rodeodance]

61. Meeks, Dem ny--------socking it to Bush for ignoring the people

[AndyA]

62. I LOVE this guy!

"When the President gets advice he doesn't like, he simply FIRES THE GENERALS!"

You go! :thumbsup:

[rodeodance]

63. "IMMORAL war"

[Check12]

65. I have to take my headphones off when the repugs are up

I can't stand the hollow jingoistic, war mongering, scoundrels.
If they are so intent, and this is the greatest enemy we have ever faced then why are there loved ones not on the battlefield.

[POAS]

69. I seeem to have and

internal volume control that shuts out that noise!

[POAS]

64. HEY FRANK WOLF---STOP SHOUTING!!!!

[AndyA]

66. WAAA WAAA WAAAA WAAAAAA!!!!

What a loudmouth. Not making his point at all, just a very poor speaker. The contrast continues...

Dems = well spoken, clear, got the point across
Repugs = loud, whiny, screaming, WAAA WAAAA WAAAAA!!!

How disgusting. They should air this before the '08 votes, we'd win by a landslide! (Probably will anyway.)

[POAS]

68. Exactly

Dems quiet and thoughtful with well reasoned points.

Republics loud, preachy, self-righteous, uber patriotic flag waving psychopaths.

[AndyA]

67. Up: Ackerman (D-New York)

"The coalition of the willing no longer is..."

[AndyA]

70. Ackerman: "One in forty comes home in a casket."

That's sobering.

[rodeodance]

75. those odds are terrifying.

[POAS]

71. Now we are going back to the

barbary pirates!

[AndyA]

72. Carnahan (D-Missouri) up now.

I guess all Democrats named Russ are handsome, intelligent, and well spoken.

[rodeodance]

74. and in addtion , he did well. ------and now followed by a dipstick.

[AndyA]

76. Shadegg. All Arizona GOPers must be a waste of oxygen.

On and on and on...

"The world is watching..."

"In the midst of an on-going war, it is impossible to support the troops and oppose the mission...and they have guns, rockets, and missiles pointed at our troops..."

There it is: TERRA TERRA TERRA

(You knew someone was going to play the TERRA card.)

[POAS]

77. I don't remember which said

"We gave war a chance, as the speaker on the Democtratic side said, but we have not given victory a chance"

They really set off my gag reflex.

[AndyA]

78. Shuster (A-Pennsylvania) The Democrats don't have a plan...

And the GOP does?

Oh yes, the same one we've been trying for four years.

Over 3,000 dead troops.

Billions of dollars wasted.

A country divided.

Now that's some plan, no wonder they want to stick with it.

Talk about NOT having a plan! Where's theirs? Same ole same ole...

[rodeodance]

81. yeah, a 4 year plan and you get a Bonus------just add some troops.

[AndyA]

79. Diane Watson (D-California) I like her. She's the nation's Grandmother.

She just seems so nice, so like a Grandmother.

Edit to add: She's blaming the war on Bush! How clever! Honesty. Something new.

She said Bush gave the enemy time to regroup and strengthen due to his poor decisions. :thumbsup:

[rodeodance]

80. Issa Repug--------really going off Reality (as I know it). What a dipstick!

[AndyA]

82. I had to tune him out. He is not of this world.

I'm not sure which world he is of, but it's a strange one. The people in San Diego must be thrilled with him. :sarcasm:

[AndyA]

83. Maxine Waters is up. This should be good...

:popcorn:

[AndyA]

86. Oh yeah. President is pursuing a political agenda...

Ignored recommendations on number of troops needed initially...

Ignored warnings of sectarian violence...

Troops bearing the burden of his poor decisions...

Some troops serving two, three, four tours of duty...

Over 3,000 troops dead, 23,000 troops injured...

5,000 troops already in Iraq since surge announced...

Thousands more troops going into Iraq in the middle of a civil war...

[rodeodance]

84. "Out of Iraq Caucus" with Maxine Walters up now

[rodeodance]

85. she said other Caucus members would speak this hour

[rodeodance]

87. GO MAXINE!

[AndyA]

88. Waters: President does not understand situation in Iraq.

Who are we fighting?

Who are the terrorists?

I don't think our soldiers know who we're really fighting, and neither does this administration!

[AndyA]

89. It's all yours, rodeodance. Thanks for the support.

I'll check back in later, this is getting good. ;)

[POAS]

90. Dennis up now

As we debate the President is planning to attack Iran.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

91. Michael Honda up now (D-CA)

[ncrainbowgrrl]

92. ugggh- duncan hunter.

what an awful photo

[ncrainbowgrrl]

93. Time for thread 6

It's getting Goood...

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