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SangamonTaylor Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:28 AM
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THIS ELECTION IS NOT OVER! - Only 23% of delegates are decided!
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 10:53 AM by SangamonTaylor
979 delegates have been decided. 979 votes out of a total number of 4321 votes that count in the Democratic National nomination. That is only 23% of the voting public. A total of 2,161 delegates are needed to secure the nomination. John Kerry currently has 516 delegates, 102 of which are unpledged.

Super Tuesday will prove that this is no coronation, this is an election. John Kerry still requires another 1651 delegates to become the Democratic nominee. Those American people who are inspired to take part in the democratic process will follow a man based on his promising vision for America in our future, ability to convey that message convincingly.

Much like the past month, the next four weeks are an eternity when it comes to the amount of available national exposure.

American's of all types will converge on the polls on March 2nd. The number will comprise 26.6% of the delegates, from the Democratic primaries and caucuses in the states of California, Connecticut, Georgia, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New York, Ohio, Rhode Island and Vermont--1,150 delegates to be decided.

Then the next week, March 9th, he takes his message to Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi and Texas, comprising a combined 460 delegates. March 9th is when I am allowed decide who I wish to be the nominee.

This election is just beginning and I want my voice to be heard.

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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:29 AM
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1. Even though it's only 23% of the delegates
It's 99% over. Only a total disaster could beat Kerry now.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:32 AM
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2. Exit polls show that people voting on the issues haven't been voting Kerry
Voters who vote on electability have been voting for the person in the lead.

A disaster for Kerry might be if people finally focus on the issues.
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:42 AM
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7. god forbid people focus on the issues
(shaking head followed by banging it on keyboard)
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Mass_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:55 AM
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12. thats what is sad
you vote for somebody because you like them. You vote for somebody because you support them on the issues. You vote for somebody because they could be effective.


You are NOT supposed to vote for someone as a vote AGAINST his opponent. Leastwise not in a primary.

This primary is messing up the whole idea of voting.
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Mick Knox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:32 AM
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3. By the numbers
As has been pointed out.. he doesnt even need to win any more states.. only place and he gots it. And he is WAY ahead in CA in NY polls... its over. kerry is the man! The DNC set up the nomination process to be finished early and thats whats happening. Its necessary for the march to 1600 penn. st.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:47 AM
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8. That statement is too broad to be correct
Place from here on out to win it? No. Not with delegates awarded proportionately.
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YouMustBeKiddingMe Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:33 AM
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4. But it isn't completely unknown how the other states are falling
Kerry is leading by double digits in most states.
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SangamonTaylor Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:35 AM
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5. two weeks ago he was in single digits in most states
Super Tuesday is two weeks away. It's an eternity in campaign time.
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YouMustBeKiddingMe Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:48 AM
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9. Super Tuesday
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 10:55 AM by YouMustBeKiddingMe
In California, Kerry has a 31-point lead over Dean

Kerry 49%
Dean 18%
Edwards 12%
Clark 8%
other 9%
undecided 5%

In New York, Kerry has a 33-point lead over Dean

Kerry 47%
Dean 14%
Sharpton 12%
Edwards 12%
Clark 5%
other 5%
undecided 6%

In Maryland, Kerry has a 32-point lead over Edwards, and 35-point lead over Dean

Kerry 47%
Edwards 15%
Dean 12%
Sharpton 10%
Clark 6%
other 4%
undecided 6%

In Ohio, Kerry has a 29-point lead over Dean

Kerry 44%
Dean 15%
Edwards 13%
Kucinich 7%
Clark 6%
Sharpton 5%
Lieberman 4%
other 3%
undecided 4%

In Georgia, Kerry has a 15% lead over Dean

Kerry 30%
Dean 15%
Edwards 15%
Sharpton 14%
Clark 9%
Lieberman 6%
other 5%
undecided 5%

Massachusetts has not been updated since November in this poll



http://www.pkarchive.org/2004DataCenter.html

Put a fork in it.
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SangamonTaylor Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:53 AM
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10. you have a date on those?
Although with the current mindset I've been seeing everywhere that 'it's over' I wouldn't be surprised if that was recent.
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YouMustBeKiddingMe Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:56 AM
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13. I gave you the link. Check it out for yourself.
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SangamonTaylor Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:01 AM
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15. CA is 1/31-2/2, NY is 2/6-8 n/t
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SangamonTaylor Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:04 AM
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17. Georgia is 1/31-2/2, Maryland is 2/4-5, Ohio 1/31-2/2
you really make your candidate look like a class act by saying 'put a fork in it'
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:38 AM
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6. Hear, hear!
The DLC and DNC think it's already inauguration day the way they're talking. May not be the first time they've miscalculated. Of course, they're banking on some silly slogan and disregarding the people- AGAIN.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:10 AM
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19. The DLC/DNC can't possibly be expecting to win. Can't possibly be.
Is ANYONE going to be surprised that with $100 million that BUSH defeats a pro-war, pro-patriot act, pro-establishment demo candidate. How in the hell would one run Kerry's campaign differentiating Kerry's positions from Bush which HAVE to be clearly opposite in order to win a squeeker??

Dean '04...The Scream Party
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:53 AM
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11. Of course it's not over, but it is getting darn close
Kerry has a substantial lead, money, all the coverage, and all the momentum. This is not a false lead because he actually has 12 wins to back him up.

Edwards still has a chance. But he is down a four runs in the eighth and Mariano Rivera is coming into the game.
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seaglass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:59 AM
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14. I can still see some scenarios in which Kerry can be beat,
I think the biggest threat is Edwards.

I don't see any hope for Dean. If his tactic is to go after Kerry - which it looks like - that will help Edwards, it won't help him.
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YouMustBeKiddingMe Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:43 AM
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21. Please elaborate on scenarios in which Kerry can be beat.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:02 AM
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16. John Kerry has won the nomination
where have ye been?
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SangamonTaylor Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:05 AM
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18. in the other 75% of the nation who HASN'T voted yet!
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:39 AM
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20. what do you expect to change?
Is Kerry all of the sudden going to start getting 2-3% in various states?

Is Dean going to do another YEEEEEAAAAARGH! and sail to victory in Wisconsin?

Super Tuesday could be interesting, but Kerry will win overwhelmingly that day.

It's all over but the convention.
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YouMustBeKiddingMe Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:45 AM
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22. We have polls in every state indicating how people are going to vote
It's not a secret where people stand.
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